fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-14 Thread Sebastian Ssmoller
hi,
i did cvsup for /usr/src yesterday and did a build world.
i also build a new kernel without all these debugging things.

i rebooted the system and everything went fine first but then 
i tried to recompile pf_freebsd and the system crashed.

i rebooted and did fsck and tried the rebuild again - same thing :(

reboot again, fsck with many errors (some sectors could not be written, 
inconsistancy soft updates). 
i managed to start gnome2 agian. i started vmware and ... crash agin :'(

so i thought of using the old kernel again but when i restart and
run fsck it is NOT able to mark /usr as clean  !! :(

what can i do now ? any ideas ? 

thx 
seb


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Re: fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-14 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:42:21AM +0200, Sebastian Ssmoller wrote:
> i did cvsup for /usr/src yesterday and did a build world.
> i also build a new kernel without all these debugging things.

If you're running FreeBSD-current, I would suggest that 
you put the debugging options back into your kernel.

> i rebooted the system and everything went fine first but then 
> i tried to recompile pf_freebsd and the system crashed.

Without debugging or even a panic message, it is fairly
difficult to make any useful suggestions.

> i rebooted and did fsck and tried the rebuild again - same thing :(

Panic message?

> reboot again, fsck with many errors (some sectors could not be written, 
> inconsistancy soft updates). 
> i managed to start gnome2 agian. i started vmware and ... crash agin :'(

Are you sure you don't want to run FreeBSD 4.8?

> so i thought of using the old kernel again but when i restart and
> run fsck it is NOT able to mark /usr as clean  !! :(
> 
> what can i do now ? any ideas ? 

When fsck fails to clean /usr are there any error messages?
What fsck command did you issue to clean up /usr?  Did you
try using an alternate super block?

What compiler flags did you use to build the kernel?

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Re: fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-14 Thread Larry Rosenman
I'm seeing similar messages from fsck:

unexpected soft-update inconsistency, unable to write block, etc.

going back to my 9/9/2003 "good" kernel, it works.

so I think SOMETHING broke here.

LER

--On Sunday, September 14, 2003 08:30:51 -0700 Steve Kargl 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:42:21AM +0200, Sebastian Ssmoller wrote:
i did cvsup for /usr/src yesterday and did a build world.
i also build a new kernel without all these debugging things.
If you're running FreeBSD-current, I would suggest that
you put the debugging options back into your kernel.
i rebooted the system and everything went fine first but then
i tried to recompile pf_freebsd and the system crashed.
Without debugging or even a panic message, it is fairly
difficult to make any useful suggestions.
i rebooted and did fsck and tried the rebuild again - same thing :(
Panic message?

reboot again, fsck with many errors (some sectors could not be written,
inconsistancy soft updates).
i managed to start gnome2 agian. i started vmware and ... crash agin :'(
Are you sure you don't want to run FreeBSD 4.8?

so i thought of using the old kernel again but when i restart and
run fsck it is NOT able to mark /usr as clean  !! :(
what can i do now ? any ideas ?
When fsck fails to clean /usr are there any error messages?
What fsck command did you issue to clean up /usr?  Did you
try using an alternate super block?
What compiler flags did you use to build the kernel?


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Re: fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-14 Thread Sebastian Ssmoller
Am Son, 2003-09-14 um 17.30 schrieb Steve Kargl:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:42:21AM +0200, Sebastian Ssmoller wrote:
> > i did cvsup for /usr/src yesterday and did a build world.
> > i also build a new kernel without all these debugging things.
> 
> If you're running FreeBSD-current, I would suggest that 
> you put the debugging options back into your kernel.

sorry to forget to post these info's: i am running 
freebsd-current. started with 5.1 release and updated yesterday. 
i removed the debugging stuff from the kernel cause i wanted to 
check the possible performance difference.

> 
> > i rebooted the system and everything went fine first but then 
> > i tried to recompile pf_freebsd and the system crashed.
> 
> Without debugging or even a panic message, it is fairly
> difficult to make any useful suggestions

i agree but this would be difficult when being unable to reboot the
system :)
.
> 
> > i rebooted and did fsck and tried the rebuild again - same thing :(
> 
> Panic message?

no message :( first time it froze , second time it rebooted.

> 
> > reboot again, fsck with many errors (some sectors could not be written, 
> > inconsistancy soft updates). 
> > i managed to start gnome2 agian. i started vmware and ... crash agin :'(
> 
> Are you sure you don't want to run FreeBSD 4.8?

good question :)

> 
> > so i thought of using the old kernel again but when i restart and
> > run fsck it is NOT able to mark /usr as clean  !! :(
> > 
> > what can i do now ? any ideas ? 
> 
> When fsck fails to clean /usr are there any error messages?
> What fsck command did you issue to clean up /usr?  Did you
> try using an alternate super block?

i ran: fsck -y /usr and it complains several times (!) about "unexpected
soft-update inconsistency" and "unable to write block" :(

i have not tried an alternate super block yet - i was not sure whether
this could help, could it ?

> 
> What compiler flags did you use to build the kernel?

i used default settings


finally i found out that i can mount /usr readonly so a backup could be
possible (?); creating new ufs2 and restore backup could be a possible
solution (?)


thx
seb

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Re: fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-14 Thread Sebastian Ssmoller
Am Son, 2003-09-14 um 17.49 schrieb Larry Rosenman:
> I'm seeing similar messages from fsck:
> 
> unexpected soft-update inconsistency, unable to write block, etc.
> 
> going back to my 9/9/2003 "good" kernel, it works.

i tried to use my old kernel; build with sources from fbsd 5.1 release).
i rebooted the system and started fsck -y /usr again but the same
problems occur :(

now there are two possibilities i guess:
- something in userland is broken too
- my ufs2 is really dead

any ideas ?

seb
> 
> so I think SOMETHING broke here.
> 
> LER
> 
> 
> --On Sunday, September 14, 2003 08:30:51 -0700 Steve Kargl 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:42:21AM +0200, Sebastian Ssmoller wrote:
> >> i did cvsup for /usr/src yesterday and did a build world.
> >> i also build a new kernel without all these debugging things.
> >
> > If you're running FreeBSD-current, I would suggest that
> > you put the debugging options back into your kernel.
> >
> >> i rebooted the system and everything went fine first but then
> >> i tried to recompile pf_freebsd and the system crashed.
> >
> > Without debugging or even a panic message, it is fairly
> > difficult to make any useful suggestions.
> >
> >> i rebooted and did fsck and tried the rebuild again - same thing :(
> >
> > Panic message?
> >
> >> reboot again, fsck with many errors (some sectors could not be written,
> >> inconsistancy soft updates).
> >> i managed to start gnome2 agian. i started vmware and ... crash agin :'(
> >
> > Are you sure you don't want to run FreeBSD 4.8?
> >
> >> so i thought of using the old kernel again but when i restart and
> >> run fsck it is NOT able to mark /usr as clean  !! :(
> >>
> >> what can i do now ? any ideas ?
> >
> > When fsck fails to clean /usr are there any error messages?
> > What fsck command did you issue to clean up /usr?  Did you
> > try using an alternate super block?
> >
> > What compiler flags did you use to build the kernel?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-14 Thread Larry Rosenman


--On Sunday, September 14, 2003 19:02:17 +0200 Sebastian Ssmoller 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Am Son, 2003-09-14 um 17.49 schrieb Larry Rosenman:
I'm seeing similar messages from fsck:

unexpected soft-update inconsistency, unable to write block, etc.

going back to my 9/9/2003 "good" kernel, it works.
i tried to use my old kernel; build with sources from fbsd 5.1 release).
i rebooted the system and started fsck -y /usr again but the same
problems occur :(
now there are two possibilities i guess:
- something in userland is broken too
- my ufs2 is really dead
I'm using ufs1, FWIW, and my userland is from  september 9 as well.
So, either 5.1R is too far back or you are in trouble.
FWIW.


any ideas ?

seb
so I think SOMETHING broke here.

LER

--On Sunday, September 14, 2003 08:30:51 -0700 Steve Kargl
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:42:21AM +0200, Sebastian Ssmoller wrote:
>> i did cvsup for /usr/src yesterday and did a build world.
>> i also build a new kernel without all these debugging things.
>
> If you're running FreeBSD-current, I would suggest that
> you put the debugging options back into your kernel.
>
>> i rebooted the system and everything went fine first but then
>> i tried to recompile pf_freebsd and the system crashed.
>
> Without debugging or even a panic message, it is fairly
> difficult to make any useful suggestions.
>
>> i rebooted and did fsck and tried the rebuild again - same thing :(
>
> Panic message?
>
>> reboot again, fsck with many errors (some sectors could not be
>> written, inconsistancy soft updates).
>> i managed to start gnome2 agian. i started vmware and ... crash agin
>> :'(
>
> Are you sure you don't want to run FreeBSD 4.8?
>
>> so i thought of using the old kernel again but when i restart and
>> run fsck it is NOT able to mark /usr as clean  !! :(
>>
>> what can i do now ? any ideas ?
>
> When fsck fails to clean /usr are there any error messages?
> What fsck command did you issue to clean up /usr?  Did you
> try using an alternate super block?
>
> What compiler flags did you use to build the kernel?


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Re: fsck failed after hard crash

2003-09-15 Thread Sebastian Ssmoller
(...)

> >> unexpected soft-update inconsistency, unable to write block, etc.
> >>
> >> going back to my 9/9/2003 "good" kernel, it works.
> >
> > i tried to use my old kernel; build with sources from fbsd 5.1 release).
> > i rebooted the system and started fsck -y /usr again but the same
> > problems occur :(
> >
> > now there are two possibilities i guess:
> > - something in userland is broken too
> > - my ufs2 is really dead
> I'm using ufs1, FWIW, and my userland is from  september 9 as well.
> So, either 5.1R is too far back or you are in trouble.
> 
> FWIW.
> 
> 

so here i go again :) - partly at least ...

i booted the live CD and was able to fix my ufs2 fs (still some errors reported but 
marked as clean).
then i re-installed the sources from fbsd 5.1 release cd, built a new kernel and did a 
"make world"  - everything seems to be ok now :)

so there seems to be something broken in sources from 13.9.2003 ?


seb

(...)
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