Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
 I want as many people as possible to beat up on sysinstall as much as
 they can.
 
 And I want them to do it RSN: 5.0-R is only 9 days away.
 
 Please try to be creative in the choices you make in sysinstall, we
 don't need 20 people all testing ftp-passive, we need to get all the
 media options tested, IPv4 and IPv6, all the different distributions,
 scripted installs, on different hardware configs and so.
 
 If you find problems, please try to see if you reproduce them, if you
 can, try to see if you can isolate them to some particular menu choice
 or set of circumstances.  Please report your findings with send-pr.

Ad-Hoc testing is unlikely to find problems; if you are expecting a
certain class of problems, it's best to treat them, up front.

There are a number of systems right now with broken INT 0x12
implementations which will not boot at all right now (they panic
almost immediately).

I think you are going to end up with a lot of bug reports not related
to the problems you are trying to prevent/address.  8-(.

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-21 ]
[ Subjecte: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
 
 I want as many people as possible to beat up on sysinstall as much as 
 they can.
 

I've been fighting to find a way to install -CURRENT pure on my workstation
using the 4.7 CD I just got in the mail, to no avail, because of the
bin-base thing.  But with the 4.7 installer, bouncing around in the FTP
and networking screens, having done the restart sysinstall thing once,
I managed to get a SIG11, though I couldn't reproduce it with debugging on.

Anyone with a good idea on how to bootstrap a _clean_ 5.0 install to a
box with only a CDROM drive, and 4.7 CD, with broken PXE firmware, and
an IDE disk which can be thrashed, by all means tell me...  I'd imagine
that I could just use the mfsroot and kernel, but there's no way for me
to disable atkbd/atkbdc that _I_ know of, in the post-userconfig world,
and my keyboard is broken at the mountroot prompt, as the atkbdc
detected based on my usb keyboard makes neither interface work, as both
are exposed to the kernel.

I've never had to install CURRENT on here without the ability to burn a
bootable CD, and use userconfig...  Yes, it was that long ago that I did
my initial install.

Thoughts?

Yes, I could build my own kernel and fake it, but I can't do that in a
real, user environment, and I'd love to have some idea of what might be
possible...

Damned Korean legacy-free box :/

Thanks,
juli.
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Juli Mallett wrote:
 Anyone with a good idea on how to bootstrap a _clean_ 5.0 install to a
 box with only a CDROM drive, and 4.7 CD, with broken PXE firmware, and
 an IDE disk which can be thrashed, by all means tell me...  I'd imagine
 that I could just use the mfsroot and kernel, but there's no way for me
 to disable atkbd/atkbdc that _I_ know of, in the post-userconfig world,
 and my keyboard is broken at the mountroot prompt, as the atkbdc
 detected based on my usb keyboard makes neither interface work, as both
 are exposed to the kernel.
 
 I've never had to install CURRENT on here without the ability to burn a
 bootable CD, and use userconfig...  Yes, it was that long ago that I did
 my initial install.
 
 Thoughts?


Find another box where it has already been successfully installed,
and an ISO image has been built from sources.

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-22 ]
[ Subjecte: Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
 Juli Mallett wrote:
  Anyone with a good idea on how to bootstrap a _clean_ 5.0 install to a
  box with only a CDROM drive, and 4.7 CD, with broken PXE firmware, and
  an IDE disk which can be thrashed, by all means tell me...  I'd imagine
  that I could just use the mfsroot and kernel, but there's no way for me
  to disable atkbd/atkbdc that _I_ know of, in the post-userconfig world,
  and my keyboard is broken at the mountroot prompt, as the atkbdc
  detected based on my usb keyboard makes neither interface work, as both
  are exposed to the kernel.
  
  I've never had to install CURRENT on here without the ability to burn a
  bootable CD, and use userconfig...  Yes, it was that long ago that I did
  my initial install.
  
  Thoughts?
 
 
 Find another box where it has already been successfully installed,
 and an ISO image has been built from sources.

I don't have a CD burner.  I have no ability to burn a CD at all.
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Soeren Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-22 ]
[ Subjecte: Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
 It seems Juli Mallett wrote:
   Find another box where it has already been successfully installed,
   and an ISO image has been built from sources.
  
  I don't have a CD burner.  I have no ability to burn a CD at all.
 
 Where do you live ? I'm sure we can find someone with a CD burner
 near you willing to make a copy and snailmail it to you...

(Consider this a beg for anyone close enough for it to be cost
effective to send me a 5.0-CURRENT snapshot CD, on which I can
somehow disable the atkbdc/atkbd stuff at bootup, or which has
them out of the kernel...)
Juli Mallett
11145 W 76th Terrace
Shawnee, KS 66214
United States

Thanks for the idea :)
juli.
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Juli Mallett wrote:
  Find another box where it has already been successfully installed,
  and an ISO image has been built from sources.
 
 I don't have a CD burner.  I have no ability to burn a CD at all.

You don't burn a CD from the other box, you install from it.

Though FreeBSD doesn't technically support it, because they do
not make the sysinstall image easily available, you can upgrade
via a CDROM FS image via NFS, without even needing a local CDROM
installed on the machine being upgraded.

To do this, copy over /stand/sysinstall to /tmp/sysinstall (it is
crunched, therefore av[0] needs to be sysinstall), mount the
image via NFS, run the sysinstall in /tmp, and select local
file system for the media from which you will be upgrading.

You must manullay run disklabel to change the boot code, after
the upgrade, and prior to the reboot (the upgrade code in sysinstall
makes assumptions about the boot media when it comes to the boot
code installation, and those assumptions are often invalis, as in
this case).

If you are using SSH, you will potentially need to add the ssh
line to the pam.conf file, or you will need physical console access
to get back into the machine after you reboot with the new OS.

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-22 ]
[ Subjecte: Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
 Juli Mallett wrote:
   Find another box where it has already been successfully installed,
   and an ISO image has been built from sources.
  
  I don't have a CD burner.  I have no ability to burn a CD at all.
 
 You don't burn a CD from the other box, you install from it.
 
 Though FreeBSD doesn't technically support it, because they do
 not make the sysinstall image easily available, you can upgrade
 via a CDROM FS image via NFS, without even needing a local CDROM
 installed on the machine being upgraded.
 
 To do this, copy over /stand/sysinstall to /tmp/sysinstall (it is
 crunched, therefore av[0] needs to be sysinstall), mount the
 image via NFS, run the sysinstall in /tmp, and select local
 file system for the media from which you will be upgrading.
 
 You must manullay run disklabel to change the boot code, after
 the upgrade, and prior to the reboot (the upgrade code in sysinstall
 makes assumptions about the boot media when it comes to the boot
 code installation, and those assumptions are often invalis, as in
 this case).
 
 If you are using SSH, you will potentially need to add the ssh
 line to the pam.conf file, or you will need physical console access
 to get back into the machine after you reboot with the new OS.

If I wanted to do this, I could, but it would not give me a clean
5.0 install, and it is also not that simple at this time, as (afaict)
kern.disks is required by sysinstall, which 4.x doesn't support...
And even then, I'd have to blow away everything except /tmp first,
which is a hell of a lot of fun, especially when it (often) doesn't
work...
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Ceri Davies
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 08:33:53AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 If you don't have the machine-power to run make release yourself,
 I hope the japanese snapshot server is producing good snapshots,
 if that fails, I would appreciate if somebody will produce and put up
 good releases and/or ISO images somewhere.

snapshots.jp.freebsd.org hasn't completed a make release since September
17th by the looks of things.

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread marius

Last week I replace a broken mainboard with a dual-Athlon one (Tyan
Tiger s2466n-4m) and decided to upgrade that box from 4-stable to
-current by installing the 0917-jpsnap via the floppies and passive
ftp. I hit several sysinstall-problems some of which my already be
fixed:

- The hd I install -current onto previously had 4-stable on it, I
  deleted slice one (was the only one) and created a new one and
  selected the standard MBR. I decided to give UFS2 a try and created
  the filesystems with '-O 2 -U' (there was some problem toggling
  Softupdates und just adding '-O 2' to the newfs-options). But after
  rebooting the 4-stable (!) bootloader came claiming it wasn't able
  to load /kernel, a `ls` at the bootloader-prompt showed the contents
  of the former root-fs, even the former contents of some of the sub-
  direcroties , e.g. /etc could be displayed.
- After a `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 count=16` (booted with another
  hd containing 4-stable) I repeated the above procedure and ended up
  with the -current bootloader yelling No UFS several times. For now
  I ended up having the root-fs UFS1 and var, usr and tmp UFS2.
  This problem seems to be on the todo-list.
- During the 6-7 sysinstall-runs (it hung and crashed unreproduceable
  4-5 times) I always had the problem that after configuring the nic
  with a ipv4-adress it took some random time between ~15 seconds up
  to several minutes to look up the hostname of the jpsnap-server.
  This definitely wasn't a network- or dns-problem, another box
  connected via the same line and using the same nameserver didn't
  have problems looking up the hostname. I ran tcpdump on the other
  box and the reason for this seems to be sysinstall doing ipv6
  neigbhourhood-detection and ping6 the ipv6-address of the jpsnap-
  server also the interface wasn't configured for ipv6. I also saw
  some stuff that I don't know of what it is:
  fe80::2e0:81ff:fe22:d7cf  ff02::2:f8c7:7880: HBH icmp6: multicast listener report 
max resp delay: 0 addr: ff02::2:f8c7:7880 [hlim 1]
- The 3 or 4 times I got to the point to set the root password the
  prompt to enter it popped up in ttyv1 and not in tty0 like the
  rest of sysinstall. I wasn't actually able to set one but sysinstall
  returned to the post-install-configuration-menue when hitting
  ctrl-c in ttyv0.

Some problems I have with the installed -current:
- The bios of the board offers ACPI-support and as I thought FreeBSD's
  support of this is advanced enough I decided to turn it but it turned
  out to not be SMP-safe. I can't remeber a panic while running an
  UP-kernel for the short time to update to latest -current and build
  a SMP-kernel. When both ACPI- (via kld) and SMP-support are enabled
  the box is fscking unstable, I get about 3 lock-order-reversal- and
  locking-against-myself-panics per hour and occasionally spontaneous
  reboots. After turing of ACPI-support in the bios the ACPI-kld no
  longer gets loaded and the box runs stable for 3 days (no more
  panics or spontaneous reboots), still with the same kernel built
  of sources as of Oct 17.
  The mainboard has 2 pci-bridges, they and all devices behind them
  successfully get probed when running with ACPI enabled so this
  doesn't sound like the problem described in the todo-list.
  acpiconf doesn't work except for `acpiconf -s 1` (after an
  `acpiconf -e`), `acpiconf -s 1` turns off the output of the gfx-
  card for the fraction of second (once also the hd sounded as it
  would spin-down) and as soon it returns 2 resume-messages get
  displayed. Doing this causes a panic (pagefaults iirc) in about
  1 of 5 times.
- After the tons of panics I got the background fsck always cleaned
  up an alarming number of files and directories on the UFS2-
  filesystems, much more than I've ever seen after a panic of a
  4-stable box. As I got most panics while extracting tarballs or
  building ports this could be ok but once also file I successfully
  downloaded some 30-60 seconds before a panic got deleted during
  the fsck-run, imho this shouldn't happen.

Last but not least it would be fine if sysinstall would also support
ATAPI-floppies (/dev/afd0) for mounting the fixit-floppy. I didn't
check recently but I think support for mounting the live-cdrom in
SCSI-cdroms is also broken, last time I tried it also wasn't
possible to install from a SCSI-cdrom as sysinstall didn't detect
/dev/cd0c. Hrm, the minor looks wrong in devices.c, could this be the
reason ?
static struct _devname {
DeviceType type;
char *name;
char *description;
int major, minor, delta, max;
} device_names[] = {
{ DEVICE_TYPE_CDROM,cd%dc,SCSI CDROM drive, 15, 2, 8, 4
but:
ls -la /dev/cd0c
crw-r-  1 root  operator   15,   0 Oct 22 19:02 /dev/cd0c

At least the minor matches for acd0c.

Marius

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Mathieu Arnold


--On mardi 22 octobre 2002 10:08 +0100 Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 08:33:53AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
 
 If you don't have the machine-power to run make release yourself,
 I hope the japanese snapshot server is producing good snapshots,
 if that fails, I would appreciate if somebody will produce and put up
 good releases and/or ISO images somewhere.
 
 snapshots.jp.freebsd.org hasn't completed a make release since September
 17th by the looks of things.

I was willing to install a fresh -current, I'm trying to make release from
a -stable box, but I don't believe it will end well. Could someone make
release from a recent -current so that many of us could install it ?

-- 
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread The Anarcat
On Tue Oct 22, 2002 at 08:33:53AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
[...]
 
 And I want them to do it RSN: 5.0-R is only 9 days away.
[...]

9 days??? There won't be another DP?

A.

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, The Anarcat wrote:
 On Tue Oct 22, 2002 at 08:33:53AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
 [...]
  
  And I want them to do it RSN: 5.0-R is only 9 days away.
 [...]
 
 9 days??? There won't be another DP?

Um, not exactly.  The current release date isn't until 20 November
(subject to change, but that's the official word until RE says
otherwise).  That being said, the more testing we can get with 
sysinstall and fresh installations, the better.

Urk.  We really need to update some of the dates on the 5.0 release 
schedule.  I'll push this during the RE telecon this week, if we don't 
get to it sooner.

Bruce.

PS.  We're still trying to do DP2.  Any other snapshots we release 
after DP2 are more likely to be release-candidate-style snapshots.





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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Steve Kargl
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:07:50PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote:
 If memory serves me right, The Anarcat wrote:
  On Tue Oct 22, 2002 at 08:33:53AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
   
   And I want them to do it RSN: 5.0-R is only 9 days away.
  
  9 days??? There won't be another DP?
 
 Um, not exactly.  The current release date isn't until 20 November
 (subject to change, but that's the official word until RE says
 otherwise).  That being said, the more testing we can get with 
 sysinstall and fresh installations, the better.
 
 Urk.  We really need to update some of the dates on the 5.0 release 
 schedule.  I'll push this during the RE telecon this week, if we don't 
 get to it sooner.
 

I've noticed many commits on cvs-all include an Approved by: re
line, but I haven't seen an official code slush/freeze announcement.
Is RE going to request a code freeze around 10 Nov.?

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Steve Kargl wrote:

 I've noticed many commits on cvs-all include an Approved by: re
 line, but I haven't seen an official code slush/freeze announcement.

Feature freeze started 16 October.  New feature commits (as opposed to 
bugfix or doc commits) should have RE approval.

 Is RE going to request a code freeze around 10 Nov.?

Clearly we're not adhering to the last published code-freeze date;
according to that, we would have been in code-freeze for two days
already.  The more src-oriented members of RE are probably in a better
position than I am to say when code-freeze is going to start.

Bruce.





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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread marius

Is sysinstall still supposed to copy the contents of the mfsroot-
image to /stand ? This at least results in two copies of sysinstall,
one in /stand and the other one in /usr/sbin.


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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.de writes:

Is sysinstall still supposed to copy the contents of the mfsroot-
image to /stand ? This at least results in two copies of sysinstall,
one in /stand and the other one in /usr/sbin.

That is intentional

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Brian F. Feldman
For what it's worth; I'm also using a dual-Athlon that gets spontaneous 
reboots once in a while and seems like it could possibly have to do with 
ACPI activating while the system is trying to cool itself down.  Do you have 
any more hints here on where the problem may lie so I can attempt to track 
it down?

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread marius
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 10:39:32PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
 
 That is intentional
 

Is it ok then that the sysinstall in /stand of the 0917-JPSNAP
immediately dumps core with signal 10 when run on a 1017 -current ?


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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.de writes:
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 10:39:32PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
 
 That is intentional
 

Is it ok then that the sysinstall in /stand of the 0917-JPSNAP
immediately dumps core with signal 10 when run on a 1017 -current ?

Current developments considered: that's probably to be expected.


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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 .de writes:
 
 Is sysinstall still supposed to copy the contents of the mfsroot-
 image to /stand ? This at least results in two copies of sysinstall,
 one in /stand and the other one in /usr/sbin.
 
 That is intentional

Yes.

It would be a good idea to make the sysinstall available as a binary
image on the CDROM, as well, to permit it to be used for network
mounted upgrades of things like lots of CDROM-less boxes in racks,
too, which would make it 3 places.

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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread marius
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 04:40:12PM -0400, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
 For what it's worth; I'm also using a dual-Athlon that gets spontaneous 
 reboots once in a while and seems like it could possibly have to do with 
 ACPI activating while the system is trying to cool itself down.  Do you have 
 any more hints here on where the problem may lie so I can attempt to track 
 it down?
 

Nope, sorry, just happens...
Thinking a bit about it I think so far they only happened when the box
was fairly idle so maybe it occures when ACPI is trying to throttle
down the system.
Like I wrote I disabled ACPI for now as it seems to cause the frequent
locking-related panics I saw.


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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-22 ]
[ Subjecte: Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
 On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 10:39:32PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
  
  That is intentional
  
 
 Is it ok then that the sysinstall in /stand of the 0917-JPSNAP
 immediately dumps core with signal 10 when run on a 1017 -current ?

You're really supposed to run /usr/sbin/sysinstall.  This breaks my
finger memory, but is the new world order.
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Wm Brian McCane
Wow, spooky, I used to live at:

8716 W 70th Terr
Shawnee Mission, KS 66204

Of course, that was back in the early 70's ;).  Anyway, I might be able to
get you a copy if you want 1.  I have a spare 5.0-DP somewhere at one of
my customers in Lenexa, or I could make a newer version.  Unfortunately, I
cannot get to my broadband connection until Thursday because I am staying
with my wife at the hospital.  If noone else sends you one, I will try to
make one for you and mail it then.

- brian

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Juli Mallett wrote:

 * De: Soeren Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-22 ]
   [ Subjecte: Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
  It seems Juli Mallett wrote:
Find another box where it has already been successfully installed,
and an ISO image has been built from sources.
  
   I don't have a CD burner.  I have no ability to burn a CD at all.
 
  Where do you live ? I'm sure we can find someone with a CD burner
  near you willing to make a copy and snailmail it to you...

 (Consider this a beg for anyone close enough for it to be cost
 effective to send me a 5.0-CURRENT snapshot CD, on which I can
 somehow disable the atkbdc/atkbd stuff at bootup, or which has
 them out of the kernel...)
   Juli Mallett
   11145 W 76th Terrace
   Shawnee, KS 66214
   United States

 Thanks for the idea :)
 juli.
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Wm Brian McCane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2002-10-22 ]
[ Subjecte: Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted! ]
 Wow, spooky, I used to live at:
 
   8716 W 70th Terr
   Shawnee Mission, KS 66204
 
 Of course, that was back in the early 70's ;).  Anyway, I might be able to
 get you a copy if you want 1.  I have a spare 5.0-DP somewhere at one of
 my customers in Lenexa, or I could make a newer version.  Unfortunately, I
 cannot get to my broadband connection until Thursday because I am staying
 with my wife at the hospital.  If noone else sends you one, I will try to
 make one for you and mail it then.

Someone's already offered to burn me one (petef@) CD of any ISO, so I'm
working to get a 'make release' done locally with the appropriate conf
options.  Thanks much though, any BSD Users Groups in this area? :)

juli.
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Re: 5.0-RUSH: -current install testers wanted!

2002-10-22 Thread Kenneth Mays

Well, I'll send it to you or anyone else if you can provide me with the link 
of what you want.

Only thing I ask is that an official Mesa 4.0.4 FSBD port makes it into the 
5.0 release as well as the next 4.x release. ;o)

All I ask!

-K





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