Re: distfiles cleaner
On 10/19/2015 16:41, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Bryan Drewery wrote > >> I could go on, but really I think both are pretty bad compared to using >> Poudriere, which also has a 'distclean' sub-command. > OK, Thanks for all detail. I would have run a poudriere to compare > with the previous 3, but I've just removed my last copy of my 58 > Gig. But I note: one more reason to learn poudriere :-) > > Cheers, > Julian Just to add to the portmaster V portupgrade ... I recall fondly the MOVED portmanager. (binary code). It had an initial check-dependency run one could cntl-c out of and have onscreen to update just a few ports... and fixed ports often where the others failed for some reason. [I tried coding some local variances to portmaster here, but got lost in the code...] I read about poudriere daily almost on the ports list, and wish [1] that before I use it someone (if ever, not likely to use it as of now, not enough machines) puts together a flowchart of its use cases, edge cases, etc large enough to preclude reading forum threads or mailing lists... [1] not for my benefit, but something I could write about in emails... ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
Bryan Drewery wrote > I could go on, but really I think both are pretty bad compared to using > Poudriere, which also has a 'distclean' sub-command. OK, Thanks for all detail. I would have run a poudriere to compare with the previous 3, but I've just removed my last copy of my 58 Gig. But I note: one more reason to learn poudriere :-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with >Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
On 10/19/15 3:57 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, Reference: >> From:RW via freebsd-ports >> Date:Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:56:11 +0100 > > RW via freebsd-ports wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:16:37 +0200 >> Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> >>> Hi ports@ >>> What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports >>> portsclean --distclean >>> Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any >>> port in the ports tree. >>> >>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade >>> Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) >>> last edited 2012-08-01 >> >> Why are you looking at the wiki? > > I didnt know what tool to look for so a search engine took me to the wiki. > >> The code was updated only a few months >> ago? The wiki seems generally fine to me but I didn't read details. > > Err ? moved from wiki to which ports/ ? > Wiki has "It is currently maintained by BryanDrewery " > So I added to CC. If the wiki is obsolete I suggest it be deleted > or reduced to point to URL with new code. > >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/ > > Thanks. > > [with current] > cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade ; make install ; man portupgrade > "To clean unreferenced distfiles, working directories and old shared > libraries, use portsclean(1)" > which portsclean # /usr/local/sbin/portsclean > pkg which /usr/local/sbin/portsclean # portupgrade-2.4.14,2 > pkg info portupgrade-2.4.14,2 | grep Origin # ports-mgmt/portupgrade > > >> I think the case for portupgrade and portsclean is now much stronger >> than it was before they were fully converted to pkg. That removed all >> the problems associated with maintaining a secondary database. The >> conversion to pkg replaced portmaster's best code and portupgrade's >> worst. > > I'm lost. I presume portupgrade had some bad code, > replaced by good code from portmaster. Portupgrade is objectively better. Having maintained both for quite a while, I have given up trying to fix the problems in portmaster. Portupgrade has proper dependency handling, which portmaster does not (https://github.com/freebsd/portmaster/issues/44 not easily fixable in portmaster compared to easy to fix in portupgrade). Portupgrade handles libraries during upgrade so your system is not totally trashed during upgrade AND it does it in a sane order which portmaster does not as it removes things on the way down the chain which can result in basically removing everything while it works back up (https://github.com/freebsd/portmaster/issues/40) Portupgrade supports installing from packages, which portmaster does not (https://github.com/freebsd/portmaster/pull/34 incomplete). [Likely referenced by OP] Portupgrade keeps logs. Portupgrade keeps a db of the INDEX so it can be fast, compared to portmaster reparsing it. Portupgrade used to be frowned on for having a 2nd db for tracking installing ports, but it no longer does. It just queries the pkg db with 'pkg query' now [as referenced by OP]. Portupgrade's biggest problem is still with ruby upgrades. I could go on, but really I think both are pretty bad compared to using Poudriere, which also has a 'distclean' sub-command. -- Regards, Bryan Drewery ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
Hi, Reference: > From: RW via freebsd-ports > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:56:11 +0100 RW via freebsd-ports wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:16:37 +0200 > Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Hi ports@ > > What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > > portsclean --distclean > > Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any > > port in the ports tree. > > > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade > > Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) > > last edited 2012-08-01 > > Why are you looking at the wiki? I didnt know what tool to look for so a search engine took me to the wiki. > The code was updated only a few months > ago? Err ? moved from wiki to which ports/ ? Wiki has "It is currently maintained by BryanDrewery " So I added to CC. If the wiki is obsolete I suggest it be deleted or reduced to point to URL with new code. > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/ Thanks. [with current] cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade ; make install ; man portupgrade "To clean unreferenced distfiles, working directories and old shared libraries, use portsclean(1)" which portsclean# /usr/local/sbin/portsclean pkg which /usr/local/sbin/portsclean# portupgrade-2.4.14,2 pkg info portupgrade-2.4.14,2 | grep Origin # ports-mgmt/portupgrade > I think the case for portupgrade and portsclean is now much stronger > than it was before they were fully converted to pkg. That removed all > the problems associated with maintaining a secondary database. The > conversion to pkg replaced portmaster's best code and portupgrade's > worst. I'm lost. I presume portupgrade had some bad code, replaced by good code from portmaster. > BTW I recently switched from distviper to portsclean. I used to prefer > distviper because of its speed, but that speed comes from assuming that > all distinfo files are called distinfo, which isn't true. I found > it was unconditionally removing the files for linux ports. Yes, confirmed below, distviper removed a great swathe of rpm/i386/fedora/10/ rpm/i686/centos/6.6/ > It's also > never been converted to pkg which breaks its fast mode. Cloning my 58G current distfiles to test each method I found: PORTS/ EXECUTABLE DISTFILES GIG sysutils/bsdadminscripts distviper # 4.185918 ports-mgmt/portmaster portmaster -t -y --clean-distfiles # 4.231094 ports-mgmt/portupgrade portsclean --distclean # 4.078680 portsclean removed 50 files that portmaster did not, so I guess portmaster may be best/ most conservative. A sample of 1 deletion by portsclean: ./subversion18/subversion-1.8.14.tar.bz2 from devel/subversion18 (not something Ive just built or fetched BTW) I ran find on all 3 stripped distfiles/ + diff current.portsclean current.portmaster > cleanmaster.diff wc -l * 100 cleanmaster.diff 751 current.distviper 837 current.portmaster 783 current.portsclean All here for next few days in case of interest: http://berklix.com/~jhs/tmp/distfile_lists/ Thanks Lars, Kubilay, RW. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with >Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:16:37 +0200 Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi ports@ > What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > portsclean --distclean > Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any > port in the ports tree. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade > Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) > last edited 2012-08-01 Why are you looking at the wiki? The code was updated only a few months ago? https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/ I think the case for portupgrade and portsclean is now much stronger than it was before they were fully converted to pkg. That removed all the problems associated with maintaining a secondary database. The conversion to pkg replaced portmaster's best code and portupgrade's worst. BTW I recently switched from distviper to portsclean. I used to prefer distviper because of its speed, but that speed comes from assuming that all distinfo files are called distinfo, which isn't true. I found it was unconditionally removing the files for linux ports. It's also never been converted to pkg which breaks its fast mode. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
Hi, Reference: > From: Kubilay Kocak Kubilay Kocak wrote: > On 19/10/2015 11:16 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi ports@ > > What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > > portsclean --distclean > > Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any > > port in the ports tree. > > > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade > > Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) > > last edited 2012-08-01 > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > > > Also, portmaster(8) has --clean-distfiles, and --clean-packages for > stale packages Thanks, just installed ports-mgmt/portmaster , so now I have a choice :-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with >Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
Lars Engels wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 02:16:37PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi ports@ > > What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? > >=20 > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dportsclean&sektion=3D1&apropos= > =3D0&manpath=3DFreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > > portsclean --distclean > > Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any > > port in the ports tree. > >=20 > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade > > Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) > > last edited 2012-08-01 > > Try distviper from sysutils/bsdadminscripts. Thanks Lars, Just installed, Now copying my 58 G of current distfiles before trying. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with >Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
On 19/10/2015 11:16 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi ports@ > What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > portsclean --distclean > Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any > port in the ports tree. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade > Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) > last edited 2012-08-01 > > Cheers, > Julian > Also, portmaster(8) has --clean-distfiles, and --clean-packages for stale packages ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: distfiles cleaner
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 02:16:37PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi ports@ > What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > portsclean --distclean > Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any > port in the ports tree. > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade > Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) > last edited 2012-08-01 Try distviper from sysutils/bsdadminscripts. pgpK3VsjPGPwL.pgp Description: PGP signature
distfiles cleaner
Hi ports@ What is the modern equivalent of this obsolete stuff please ? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsclean&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE+and+Ports portsclean --distclean Clean out all the distfiles that are not referenced by any port in the ports tree. https://wiki.freebsd.org/portupgrade Portupgrade (aka pkgtools) last edited 2012-08-01 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Reply After previous text to preserve context, as in a play script. Indent previous text with >Insert new lines before 80 chars. Use plain text, Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base64, Not MS.doc. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
