Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> Ok gang don't be to rough.
> I am a long time windows user, 
> and am used to running disk maintenance.
> Scandisk, defrag, etc
> Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
> or not?

Not those, but you should set yourself up a nice backup script/routine
and dump(8) everything to something that can be removed and stored
elsewhere - if what you have on the machine is at all valuable to you.

Otherwise, FreeBSD doesn't need those other types of maintenance.

I suppose you could set up an automated upgrade that runs and 
downloads the latest on everything and builds it.   Some people 
even do that daily.   But, you don't really need to do it that much
unless you are doing development work.  

You could also learn some about security and run various checks on
the system and the net in low use times.  But, that just tends to make
the person who does that more paranoid and obsessive.   So, to avoid
shrink expenses, probably you should go easy on that too.

So, I guess, just do backups and enjoy  your weekends.

jerry

> I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
> (which I found fascinating.)
> If I need to run such apps, which one in the
> ports do I chose?
> 
> Thanx all
> 
> Later, 
> Leon
> A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
> Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread Bill Moran
"LW Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok gang don't be to rough.
> I am a long time windows user, 
> and am used to running disk maintenance.
> Scandisk, defrag, etc
> Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
> or not?
> I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
> (which I found fascinating.)
> If I need to run such apps, which one in the
> ports do I chose?

All the software you need for routine maintenance is already installed and
running.  It's part of the filesystem drivers.

You're probably worried about defragging.  UFS defrags the filesystem as it
goes, and does a damn good job of keeping things organized.  The only potential
problems you might have is if you fill the filesystem very close to full.

As far as disk checks, they are only needed when the system is powered down
imporperly (when the power goes out and you don't have a UPS).  The system will
run the filesystem check program (fsck) automatically on the next boot, and
is usually able to fix any problems without manual intervention.  If things
got really scrambled, you'll be dumped into an emergency shell to fix things
manually.  At that point (being that you're a newbie) your best bet is to
run "fsck -y" which tells fsck to fix everything, even if it might result in
loss of data.

I want to emphasize that the previous paragraph is only important if you don't
shut your system down properly.  Under normal usage, fsck is never needed.

-- 
Bill Moran
Potential Technologies
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread Sergey Zaharchenko
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:12:02AM +0200,
 Jan Muenther probably wrote:
> > fsck is what your looking for.
> > 
> > To find out more type:
> > man fsck
> 
> Hm, not really. UFS doesn't fragment as hard as FAT or NTFS do, so there's no
> need to actively defragment it.

Just a small correction: fsck has nothing to do with fragmentation (if
only reporting it), it does integrity checking.

> It's just a tad bit more clever with block allocation than those other file-
> systems. 
> You don't need to run fsck manually, on a regular basis.

You really don't need to do that, but it's because the ffs filesystem is
more clever at being consistent than FAT, and not because it's
cleverer at allocating blocks (though it certainly is).

HTH,

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Ope not thy ponderous and marble jaws,
But get thee to a nunnery -- go!
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Thanx [FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread LW Ellis
Cool, I noticed that it was not as defragged as W*
would have been with all the stuff I've been doing.
I am beginning to really like BSD...

Leon
>
> You don't need to run fsck manually, on a regular basis. It's there to fix
> things when problems appear or you didn't dismount the filesystems
normally.
>
> In that case, /etc/rc runs it anyway... in some rare cases you need to run
it
> from single user mode, but hey, you'll notice when you need to do that :>
>
>
> Cheers, J.

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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread Jan Muenther
> fsck is what your looking for.
> 
> To find out more type:
> man fsck

Hm, not really. UFS doesn't fragment as hard as FAT or NTFS do, so there's no
need to actively defragment it.
It's just a tad bit more clever with block allocation than those other file-
systems. 

You don't need to run fsck manually, on a regular basis. It's there to fix
things when problems appear or you didn't dismount the filesystems normally.

In that case, /etc/rc runs it anyway... in some rare cases you need to run it
from single user mode, but hey, you'll notice when you need to do that :>


Cheers, J.
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread Edd

fsck is what your looking for.

To find out more type:
man fsck

On 6/21/2004, "LW Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ok gang don't be to rough.
>I am a long time windows user,
>and am used to running disk maintenance.
>Scandisk, defrag, etc
>Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
>or not?
>I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
>(which I found fascinating.)
>If I need to run such apps, which one in the
>ports do I chose?
>
>Thanx all
>
>Later,
>Leon
>A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
>Sir Winston Churchill
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[FreeBSD] Silly Question

2004-06-21 Thread LW Ellis
Ok gang don't be to rough.
I am a long time windows user, 
and am used to running disk maintenance.
Scandisk, defrag, etc
Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
or not?
I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
(which I found fascinating.)
If I need to run such apps, which one in the
ports do I chose?

Thanx all

Later, 
Leon
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Sir Winston Churchill
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