Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 05:55:04 2012 From: Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC c...@shire.net Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:52:35 -0600 To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recommendation(s) for new computer On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: - Enermax Platimax 600W I do not know about your location but at mine power supplies have the tendency to have a short life due to lightning strikes in the area. Get a cheaper model but buy two. I just ran into this problem but did not have a second one for the affected machine. The new one fits only upside down into the box with all the consequences. no. no. no. Get a quality power supply. And get a Brick Wall. www.brickwall.com Bric k Wall surge suppressors are real surge suppressors, not the fake things you buy in the store for $25 with $0.10 worth of sacrificial MOVs that degenera te over time. If you have a bunch of 'sensitive' gear, also look at a Tripp-lite voltage conditioner. that gear, and and a lot of other Tripp stuff comes with an insurance coverate (in five figures) that will replace gear -behind- the Tripp device that gets damaged. Tripp does use 'sacrificial' devices, but I've never lost any gear 'behind' one, nor had a 'false postivie'. I've had several units that did sacrifice themselves, and in each case, I lost other gear that was -not- on the suppressor. Lightning strikes within 100' are no fun! :(( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
hI, On Monday 30 April 2012 17:52:35 Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: - Enermax Platimax 600W I do not know about your location but at mine power supplies have the tendency to have a short life due to lightning strikes in the area. Get a cheaper model but buy two. I just ran into this problem but did not have a second one for the affected machine. The new one fits only upside down into the box with all the consequences. no. no. no. Get a quality power supply. And get a Brick Wall. www.brickwall.com Brick Wall surge suppressors are real surge suppressors, not the fake things you buy in the store for $25 with $0.10 worth of sacrificial MOVs that degenerate over time. This only helps when the over voltage comes via the power line. A lightning strike nearby is a different story. And get a good UPS while you are at it as well. I have an APC and it still does not help when then lightning comes down in the neighbourhood. This is plain physics. The current is induced behind the UPS might be enough to kill the power supply. It never killed any of my machines though. I even have had one a switch burning after the neighbour's house got hit by a lightning. While the switch was really burned, some of the connected machines survived with no damage at all while some others have had the network interface killed. The UPS was an online version and no other damage via the power supplies has occurred. As I said before, this strategy only makes sense in an environment with a lot of thunderstorms and lightning strikes. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
Hi, On Monday 30 April 2012 18:22:18 Robert Bonomi wrote: If you have a bunch of 'sensitive' gear, also look at a Tripp-lite voltage conditioner. that gear, and and a lot of other Tripp stuff comes with an insurance coverate (in five figures) that will replace gear -behind- the Tripp device that gets damaged. Tripp does use 'sacrificial' devices, but I've never lost any gear 'behind' one, nor had a 'false postivie'. I've had several units that did sacrifice themselves, and in each case, I lost other gear that was -not- on the suppressor. Lightning strikes within 100' are no fun! :(( hey, they are real fun! Didn't you have damage caused by induction into cables? I never bothered to get shielded network cables which would have saved me some money. Wireless has a plus point here. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, Mark Felder wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:34:11 -0500, Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: As do Intel (video) drivers Not if they require GEM/KMS like all the modern variants do; they're not supported in FreeBSD yet. I have a laptop (Google CR48) that's running the very experimental GEM/KMS code because otherwise it's stuck with a horrible resolution. Even with a custom kernel and custom ports/X11 patches it still has quirks like not being able to get your vty back after you start X. Is there a PR on this, or at least are the developers aware of it? I could not find a PR. I am running an out-of-the-box 9.0. I tested xorg 7.5 with nothing else other than xdm installed does and got this result. This makes it impossible to investigate any other issues that might arise. My setup: FreeBSD artemis.boltsys.com 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 r...@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 xorg-7.5.1 xdm-1.1.11 twm-1.0.7 xorg.conf Section Monitor #DisplaySize 410 260 # mm Identifier Monitor0 VendorName ACR ModelNameAL1916W HorizSync30.0 - 82.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option DPMS EndSection Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver radeon VendorName ATI Technologies Inc BoardName Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] BusID PCI:0:1:0 EndSection ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
about anything will run under Windows, so I won't make a fuss there. Windows will run on this machine (too), because from time to time I do enjoy a little gaming. I am not a hardcore-gamer though. About 80% of my time at the computer is spent in non-gaming-mode. And I certainly will not spend extra money to play Crisis in full detail beyond 1080p. I do a lot of writing, reading, some programming, lots of photo-work and watch a movie from time to time. Nearly all of these 80% will bei done running FreeBSD (or PCBSD). REALLY - i an for a long time not up to date what is modern today, as FreeBSD and software i use works lightning fast on ANY new computer you can buy today - if it works at all. For personal use, not high load server use, basically everything is fast. As for compatibility - most SATA controllers, network cards etc do work under FreeBSD. for personal use even realtek based network cards is OK. The real problem is graphics. I do not have any need of high performance 3D, my laptop and my intel atom based desktop both have integrated intel based GFX. it just works. no tweaking, no messing, no binary drivers, no trash, no 32-bit only etc. i am not sure if dual core intel atom E525 would keep up with full HD video playing. Probably but i am not sure. Anything stronger will for sure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On 21.04.2012 02:06, Adam Vande More wrote: I'm not sure where the power/performance/price ratio is at currently, but it wasn't that long ago purchasing an intel was a much better deal long term. It was something like it took a year and half of an AMD and intel cpu idling to draw even in total price all the while having a much greater performance potential with Intel. I say this as someone who hopes AMD will succeed. There is much more to it than just raw upfront cost. I know that I will probably get a lot more bang from an Intel CPU (in terms of raw power, especially per CPU-core). However, this computer will be used in a way where more CPU-cores will actually help more than fewer cores with more raw power per core. This is partly because full disc encryption is in place. I also know that the cost of power is something to consider in the longrun. This is however a personal computer, the one I use in my spare time. If I were to worry too much about power, I shouldn't get a graphics board like the one I am considering. :-) They outweigh the CPU threefold - even if not constantly. This is a machine that will not run 24/7. Besides, the cost upfront is my main concern at the moment, because my budget is very limited. ;-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On 22.04.2012 01:04, Wojciech Puchar wrote: REALLY - i an for a long time not up to date what is modern today, as FreeBSD and software i use works lightning fast on ANY new computer you can buy today - if it works at all. [...] The real problem is graphics. I do not have any need of high performance 3D, my laptop and my intel atom based desktop both have integrated intel based GFX. it just works. no tweaking, no messing, no binary drivers, no trash, no 32-bit only etc. i am not sure if dual core intel atom E525 would keep up with full HD video playing. Probably but i am not sure. Anything stronger will for sure. Thanks for your post, but I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. I wrote down the (more or less) complete configuration to give people a chance to comment on it - should they see a need. The main question was about the graphics part. If you do not use or require high performance 3D, that is fine. I intend to use it - mainly for gaming unter Windows. And if I have an expensive graphics board in my computer I want it to be at least of some use and fun under FreeBSD. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
nvidia drivers just work. That's what matters. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
As do Intel (video) drivers - Original Message - From: Mark Felder f...@feld.me To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:49:13 PM Subject: Re: recommendation(s) for new computer nvidia drivers just work. That's what matters. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:34:11 -0500, Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: As do Intel (video) drivers Not if they require GEM/KMS like all the modern variants do; they're not supported in FreeBSD yet. I have a laptop (Google CR48) that's running the very experimental GEM/KMS code because otherwise it's stuck with a horrible resolution. Even with a custom kernel and custom ports/X11 patches it still has quirks like not being able to get your vty back after you start X. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:42:23 -0500 Mark Felder articulated: On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:34:11 -0500, Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: As do Intel (video) drivers Not if they require GEM/KMS like all the modern variants do; they're not supported in FreeBSD yet. I have a laptop (Google CR48) that's running the very experimental GEM/KMS code because otherwise it's stuck with a horrible resolution. Even with a custom kernel and custom ports/X11 patches it still has quirks like not being able to get your vty back after you start X. This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't scenarios. If you have confidence in FreeBSD being able to supply fully compatible drivers for the Intel cards, then I would consider them. However, considering the speed with which FreeBSD creates drivers for hardware (see wireless N cards for starters) I would probably choose the nVidia cards. They works well and nVidia supplies the drivers so you know that they are going to work. As a side bar, be careful what NIC card you get. FreeBSD still does not support many wireless N cards if you plan on going that route. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Christian Baer christian.b...@uni-dortmund.de wrote: Most of these components aren't all that thrilling (because they will run with just about anything), but you are welcome to comment on them if you think I could/should rethink an aspect. Remember that I live in Germany and my choice fell on things that I can easily get on the German market. I took a look at the costs and the prices that Intel wants for their CPUs and mainboards just blew my socks off! Therefore, I decided that this will be an AMD-computer (again). I'm not sure where the power/performance/price ratio is at currently, but it wasn't that long ago purchasing an intel was a much better deal long term. It was something like it took a year and half of an AMD and intel cpu idling to draw even in total price all the while having a much greater performance potential with Intel. I say this as someone who hopes AMD will succeed. There is much more to it than just raw upfront cost. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
