automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Charles Farinella

Hi all,

FreeBSD 6.2:

I built PostgreSQL from source and copied the supplied startup script to 
/etc/rc.d/postgresql.  The script works as expected.


In /etc/rc.conf I've added the following:

postgresql_enable=YES

expecting this to automatically start PostgeSQL at boot, yet this 
doesn't happen and there is nothing in any error log that I can find 
that mentions any failure.


?

thanks,

--charlie

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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Nagy László Zsolt

Charles Farinella írta:

Hi all,

FreeBSD 6.2:

I built PostgreSQL from source and copied the supplied startup script 
to /etc/rc.d/postgresql.  The script works as expected.


In /etc/rc.conf I've added the following:

postgresql_enable=YES

expecting this to automatically start PostgeSQL at boot, yet this 
doesn't happen and there is nothing in any error log that I can find 
that mentions any failure.

Try to rename it to postgresql.sh and give execute rights.

 Laszlo

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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Matthew Seaman
Nagy László Zsolt wrote:

 Try to rename it to postgresql.sh and give execute rights.

Execute rights, yes, but you shouldn't rename it to foo.sh under
6.2 -- that's not how things are supposed to work in recent releases.

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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Josh Carroll

Execute rights, yes, but you shouldn't rename it to foo.sh under
6.2 -- that's not how things are supposed to work in recent releases.


Without the PROVIDE: in the rc script, it won't get executed unless it
has an .sh extension. man rc has details, but .sh should still work
and I think is required without the rcorder keywords.

Josh
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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Charles Farinella wrote:


I built PostgreSQL from source


In other words, not from ports?  Or if it was from ports, which port?

and copied the supplied startup script to 
/etc/rc.d/postgresql.  The script works as expected.


Yes, but that's not where it should be in FreeBSD, if that's even a 
startup script meant for FreeBSD.



In /etc/rc.conf I've added the following:

postgresql_enable=YES

expecting this to automatically start PostgeSQL at boot, yet this doesn't 
happen and there is nothing in any error log that I can find that mentions 
any failure.


For that to work, you'd have to have the (correct) script in 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d.  Remove the source version of PostgreSQL and 
install it from the appropriate port, and the port will install the 
right script in the right place.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Charles Farinella

Warren Block wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Charles Farinella wrote:


I built PostgreSQL from source


In other words, not from ports?  Or if it was from ports, which port?

and copied the supplied startup script to /etc/rc.d/postgresql.  The 
script works as expected.


Yes, but that's not where it should be in FreeBSD, if that's even a 
startup script meant for FreeBSD.



In /etc/rc.conf I've added the following:

postgresql_enable=YES

expecting this to automatically start PostgeSQL at boot, yet this 
doesn't happen and there is nothing in any error log that I can find 
that mentions any failure.


For that to work, you'd have to have the (correct) script in 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d.  Remove the source version of PostgreSQL and 
install it from the appropriate port, and the port will install the 
right script in the right place.


Thank you all for the responses, please help me understand how this works.

For reasons having to do with our particular operation, it is our custom 
to build many packages from source code no matter the operating system, 
so I don't want to install from the ports tree.


The script I used is one which is part of the PostgreSQL package and is 
specifically for FreeBSD.  As I said the script works as expected. 
'/etc/rc.d/postgresql start|stop|restart' all work.  I also have a 
duplicate script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which also works as expected 
when run manually.  Neither of these start the server at boot time.


I have an apache2 installation also built from source code, and also 
with a script from an external source, also placed in /etc/rc.d and 
referenced by the line 'apache2_enable=YES', and this *does* start at 
boot time.


So I am a little confused as to what I need to do.  If I add .sh to 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql, in my /etc/rc.conf do I change my 
reference line to 'enable_postgresql.sh=YES'?


thanks again for the help.

--charlie

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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Nagy László Zsolt




For reasons having to do with our particular operation, it is our 
custom to build many packages from source code no matter the operating 
system, so I don't want to install from the ports tree.
Did you know that when you install from the ports tree, it will actually 
download the sources, make important patched for freebsd, and install 
from that source? In particular, you can give CFLAGS, makefile defines 
etc. In addition, when you install it from the ports tree, it gets 
recorded in the package database so you can install other applications 
that depend on postgresql. (For example, pgadmin3). Why do you want to 
install it from the sources? If you only want to optimize for your CPU 
and compile some contrib/extension modules, then you do not need to 
install from a source tarball yourself. Using the port will be enough.
The script I used is one which is part of the PostgreSQL package and 
is specifically for FreeBSD.  As I said the script works as expected. 
'/etc/rc.d/postgresql start|stop|restart' all work.  I also have a 
duplicate script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which also works as expected 
when run manually.  Neither of these start the server at boot time.
First of all, since postgresql is not part of the base system, you 
should put its rc script under /usr/local/etc/rc.d instead of /etc/rc.d. 
The rc script won't be execute unless the following criterion are met:


1. The script is executeable (chmod +x filename)
2. The script has a .sh suffix, OR it uses rcorder. (See: man rcorder). 
Using rcorder is the better because you can define when to start your 
service. (Obvious example: you need to start networking before starting 
postgresql...)
3. If the script supports rc variables, then probably you need to adjust 
some variables in /etc/rc.conf. However, it depends on the script 
itself. Most ports work with rc scripts. Custom programs installed from 
source may not need this.


I have an apache2 installation also built from source code, and also 
with a script from an external source, also placed in /etc/rc.d and 
referenced by the line 'apache2_enable=YES', and this *does* start 
at boot time.

I guess because it is named apache.sh instead of apache, am I right?
So I am a little confused as to what I need to do.  If I add .sh to 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql, in my /etc/rc.conf do I change my 
reference line to 'enable_postgresql.sh=YES'?
Of course not. The rc variables can be set in rc.conf. They will be 
checked by the postgresql.sh script. E.g. it is not the base system that 
checks these variables. Putting variables in rc.conf for programs like 
postgresql is good because usually you want to disable/enable services 
in rc.conf. Configuring postgresql is another story. However, it is the 
startup script of your program that needs to have support for rc variables.


I hope this helps.

Best,

  Laszlo

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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Reko Turja
For reasons having to do with our particular operation, it is our 
custom to build many packages from source code no matter the 
operating system, so I don't want to install from the ports tree.


The ports tree is just there for installation from source and putting 
the software after compile into canonical locations (and adding 
usually the necessary startup scripts etc. in the process - Ports are 
not to be mixed with packages.


As FreeBSD supports the source centric way from centralised location, 
there shouldn't really be any need for doing the compile outside the 
ports tree. You can basically tweak the ports to your hearts content 
(most of the relevant options can be tweaked from the ports Makefile 
already) and in addition the port installs into location using a 
method the rest of FreeBSD users can give you meaningful advice.


-Reko 


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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:09:29PM -0400, Charles Farinella wrote:

[...]
 For reasons having to do with our particular operation, it is our custom 
 to build many packages from source code no matter the operating system, 
 so I don't want to install from the ports tree.

Short answer: to get it working the way you expect it to under
FreeBSD, you will have to apply the patches for Postgresql in the
ports tree.
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Re: automatically starting PostgreSQL

2007-04-02 Thread Kevin Kinsey

Reko Turja wrote:


Ports are not to be mixed with packages.


If you are using ports and packages solely in
FreeBSD Terms, then this isn't correct*.  Once installed,
there is no/little-if-any difference; /var/db/pkg is
common to both, and the standard package tools operate
equally well for upgrading and/or de-installation.

I'm not trying to stomp anyone, but this is an area
that confused me Once Upon A Time, and we don't do
anyone any favors by continuing to propagate this 
statement as an axiom.


Kevin Kinsey

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who says I'm wrong, but I really don't think so in this case.

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