Re: The clock is running too fast

2004-03-19 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Dan,

Thanks for your advice.

> I had a similar problem on one of the machines at work.  Here is a memo I
> made to myself to remind me of how to fix the problem in the future:
>
> The "ACPI-safe" Timecounter does not work (it is way, WAY too fast).  To
> get around this, add the following line to /etc/sysctl.conf:
>
> kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254

Added above line to /etc/sysctl.conf

$ cat /etc/sysctl.conf
vfs.usermount=1
kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254

Now only 2 lines in this file.

I have adjusted the clock thereafter and will check it again later

> There are multiple pieces of hardware capable of supplying timing
> information to the OS.  "dmesg | grep Timecounter" should give you a list
> of all such devices.
>
> I think this is an ACPI-related problem, since that is the technology I
> understand the least at the moment.

$ dmesg | grep Timecounter
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 350797051 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec

Shall I run 'ntc' to synchronize the clock.

B.R.
Stephen



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> Subject: The clock is running too fast
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> AMD CUP
> FreeBSD 5.2
>
> The clock on KDE desktop is running on double speed compelling me to adjust
> it
> periodically.  Kindly advise how to fix this problem.
>
> TIA
>
> B.R.
> Stephen Liu

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why can't I implement syslog ?

2004-03-19 Thread Supote Leelasupphakorn
Hi all,

   I would like to log my message by using syslog so I altered
/etc/syslog.conf like below (kill and re-start syslogd as well)

# file: /etc/syslog.conf 
-- snip ---

local1.debug/var/log/myScript.log


  and in a shell script I use 

# /usr/bin/logger -i -p local1.debug -t myScript "this is a
testing log message."

after I run above script nothing  to file:/var/log/myScript.log.
Why not or
I miss something ?


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Norway

2004-03-19 Thread mona

Hello
I need help finding the company that is distributing/ is importing FreeBSD in Norway. 
Thank youin advance

Mona Lind
dinpris


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How to get an overview of the installed ports

2004-03-19 Thread Ronald Hoellwarth
Hello,

I've installed some apps and deinstalled them  again because I didn't 
like them. While installing them other software was installed too but 
I think it wasn't removed when I removed the unwanted programms.

Is there a possibility to get an overview which ports are installed and 
how they are linked? something like this:

appA
needs appB appC
needed by appD appE appF

appB
needs -none-
needed by appA

...

Then I could go through the list and see which programms I have to 
remove in order to get a cleaner system.

greetings from crailsheim, germany
ronald höllwarth



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Re: How to get an overview of the installed ports

2004-03-19 Thread Arek Czereszewski
Ronald Hoellwarth wrote:

Hello,

I've installed some apps and deinstalled them  again because I didn't 
like them. While installing them other software was installed too but 
I think it wasn't removed when I removed the unwanted programms.

Is there a possibility to get an overview which ports are installed and 
how they are linked? something like this:

appA
   needs appB appC
   needed by appD appE appF
appB
   needs -none-
   needed by appA
...

Then I could go through the list and see which programms I have to 
remove in order to get a cleaner system.

greetings from crailsheim, germany
ronald höllwarth
 

Try this app pkg_tree from page
http://www.mavetju.org/unix/general.php
Maybe help.



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Re: php installation problems

2004-03-19 Thread Jorn Argelo

Why don't you use portupgrade instead? You can install it via
/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade if you don't have it. Though I am not
certain if it works or even exists for FreeBSD 4.5

Anyway, if you do have it, try this:

pkg_info | grep php
portupgrade -Rr 

Cheers,

Jorn

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>Hello All,
>
>I have FreeBSD 4.5, apache 1.3.26_3 and mod_php4-4.2.2 . i wanted to upgrade php to 
>php4-4.3.3.1 so i downloaded php4-4.3.3,1.tgz to usr/ports/distfiles and gave the 
>command
>
>port_update   -r   mod_php4-4.2.2   php4-4.3.3,1.tgz
>
>I noticed that php old version got uninstalled and the new one did not get installed. 
>Then in usr/ports/distfiles when i gave the command "pkg_add php4-4.3.3,1.tgz" i got 
>an error
>
>read_plist: bad command '@conflicts php4-4*'
>
>I guess it is something to do with package version and their dependencies but I am 
>not sure what  exactly the problem is.
>
>I would also like to know if there is a way i can find out all the dependencies for a 
>particular package before actually installing it.
>
>I would appreciate if some one could help me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Naveen.
>
>
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Re: cdrom mount problem

2004-03-19 Thread anubis
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 1:35 am, Chris wrote:
> *This message was transferred with a trial version of
> CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
>
>
>
>
> In summary: the only way to mount my cdrom after burning an ISO is
> to reboot first.
>
>
> Prior to 5.2.1-RC1, I was able to burn ISO imaged onto a CDRW using
> burncd, then later mount /cdrom to access the files I burned. With
> RC1 and now with 5.2.1-RELEASE, a strange thing happens:
>
> After a reboot, I can mount /cdrom and access files on the disc.
> But if I re-burn the ISO file, then try to mount /cdrom, I get
> this:
>
> cd9660: /dev/acd0: Input/output error
>
> BUT... if I reboot THEN try to access that same disk, it works
> fine.

I had a problem with burncd where I couldnt access the disk after 
burning.  I couldnt eject or mount it.  It required a reboot to get 
it.  I couldnt solve it but I was able to work around it by using 
cdcontrol.  See the man page for all options but breifly you can 
eject and then close the disk by
cdcontrol -f /dev/acd0 eject
cdcontrol -f /dev/acd0 close
I cant remember exactly what I did but I am sure I just ejected by 
software then put back in and it worked fine.  It was as if somehow 
something was holding onto the disk.  I thought it was maybe my 
windows partition getting lonely.






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Re: How to get an overview of the installed ports

2004-03-19 Thread Peder Blom
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:40:39 +0100
Ronald Hoellwarth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've installed some apps and deinstalled them  again because I didn't 
> like them. While installing them other software was installed too but 
> I think it wasn't removed when I removed the unwanted programms.
> 
> Is there a possibility to get an overview which ports are installed
> and how they are linked? something like this:
> 
> appA
> needs appB appC
> needed by appD appE appF
> 
> appB
> needs -none-
> needed by appA
> 


pkg_info -rRa


There is also a GUI program that gives you a convenient tree-view of the
dependencies:

/ports/sysutils/gpkgdep


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I need help mounting a floppy

2004-03-19 Thread Willy Dingledorf
 
Gentlemen:
 
I am a frustrated newbie who has a good back-ground in Microsoft operating-systems, 
but no experience with FreeBSD.  I have installed various versions of FreeBSD many 
times on several different computers ... but after a successful install, I keep 
running into brick-walls.
 
My most recent failure came after down-loading and installing FreeBSD version 5.2
 
I have been unable to mount the floppy-disk.
 
I have tried typing various commands that I found in different books, and also some 
that I found in the Help-files (that I down-loaded from the FreeBSD Web-site).
 
Here are some examples (none of which work):
 
# fdformat /dev/fd0
fdformat: open(/dev/fd0): No such file or directory
 
# mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
mount: /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
 
# mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy
msdosfs: /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
 
#mount_msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy
mount_msdos: command not found
 
Or, if you would rather that I take the "fstab" approach ... yes, I have tried that 
too ... and failed.  Here are some examples (none of which work):
 
I edited the fstab-file by inserting the following lines (each one, in turn):
 
/dev/fd0   /floppy  msdos rw,noauto  0  0
/dev/fd0   /floppy  msdosfs  rw 0  0
 
No matter what lines I tried, the result was always similar to this:
 
# mount /floppy
msdosfs /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
 
 
If it looks like I do not know what I am doing ... that is exactly right.  If I type 
something-in and it does not work ... I do not have any idea why ... and I have no 
idea how to invent some new words to type.
 
Can some-one help me ?  (And remember ... before you ask for my boot-log ... I cannot 
mount the floppy ... so I don't know how to get a text-file out of that machine).
 
Willy



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Re: How to get an overview of the installed ports

2004-03-19 Thread Ronald Hoellwarth
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 11:21:34AM +0100, Peder Blom wrote:
> > Is there a possibility to get an overview which ports are installed
> > and how they are linked?
> 
> pkg_info -rRa

Aah. That's what I was after.
Thanks.

greetings from crailsheim, germany
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2004-03-19 Thread siavash mahjoob
hi dear mr or mrs
i have freebsd-5.0 in my computer.i install
imap-2002e.tar.Z in my machine.
then add this statement in /etc/inetd.conf : IMAP 
stream tcp nowait root 
/usr/local/etc/imapd  imapd. i would see this working
properly then use telnet localhost 143
i havent seen any problem. but when i would connect
with outlook express to freebsd machine,
i countered with this message: configuration:
   Account: mahjoob.com
   Server: mahjoob.com
   User name: joe
   Protocol: IMAP
   Port: 143
   Secure(SSL): 0
   Code: 800ccc03
please guide me
regards,
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Re: Imap-uw problem (was: )

2004-03-19 Thread Remko Lodder
Hi, you are bit .. vague.

What's in your logs on the server itself?
What does it respond with when you are telnetting to the port?
Are you sure you should use /usr/local/etc/imapd? isn't that
/usr/local/libexec/imapd or something??
Hope that this gives us some more insight info so we can perhaps answer 
your question :-)

Cheers

siavash mahjoob wrote:
hi dear mr or mrs
i have freebsd-5.0 in my computer.i install
imap-2002e.tar.Z in my machine.
then add this statement in /etc/inetd.conf : IMAP 
stream tcp nowait root 
/usr/local/etc/imapd  imapd. i would see this working
properly then use telnet localhost 143
i havent seen any problem. but when i would connect
with outlook express to freebsd machine,
i countered with this message: configuration:
   Account: mahjoob.com
   Server: mahjoob.com
   User name: joe
   Protocol: IMAP
   Port: 143
   Secure(SSL): 0
   Code: 800ccc03
please guide me
regards,
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Re: Mail readers

2004-03-19 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:49 AM, Gary W. Swearingen wrote:

Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

No. Nothing. Format=flowed applies solely to plain-text messages. HTML
messages already have something functionally equivalent to f=f: the
 attribute, which... um... quotes blocks of text. When f=f
mailers that also can handle HTML encounter  text, it’s
usually marked up with the same excerpt bars we’re familiar with from
f=f. Format=flowed isn’t actually at work there, but since
 text flows nicely when you resize a window, the effect is
the same.
I've never heard of this f=f stuff and don't have time just now to
investigate, but I'll keep typing anyway.  I think the problem is
the same but worse.  f=f is probably spec'd in a new draft RFC and
many mail readers don't support it, so your correspondents on a list
list this can't handle it well.
According to the FAQ, it (f=f) was developed (IIRC) by Qualcomm to not 
solve any problem in particular.  However, this form of formatting 
would allow text to be easily formatted into columns readable by any 
kind of simple display...i.e., PDAs and cellphones with text messaging 
and email, etc. and at the same time it would easily scale to larger 
(PC) displays with pretty formatting and proper wrapping.  Older 
readers would just ignore the formatting characters and mangle it 
accordingly.

Oddly enough (if my current theory holds) where the invisible f=f 
formatting is inserted in an Apple app is dependent on the width of the 
composition window...which on my iBook really sucks because this window 
looks so NARROW compared to what I'm used to, hoping that other 
people's mail readers work a little better with reading my posts to the 
list.  I haven't heard other people complaining as much about my mail 
wrapping at the 120 mark, so I'm hoping that maybe this will make it 
easier for others...

It shouldn't be that hard for terminal mailers to adopt f=f, if I'm 
understanding it properly...just be a matter of time.

-Bart

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gcc 3.3.3 and -mcpu=r2000: bad value for -mcpu= switch

2004-03-19 Thread Augusto Jun Devegili
Hi all,

I'd like to generate MIPS code from gcc. I've tried

$ gcc test01.c -o test01 -mcpu=r2000

and this is the error message I got

cc1: error: bad value (r2000) for -mcpu= switch

I'm using gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 [FreeBSD] 20031106 in a FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT
i386 box.

Any ideas?

TIA and regards,

Augusto

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Re: gcc 3.3.3 and -mcpu=r2000: bad value for -mcpu= switch

2004-03-19 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:55:21AM -0300, Augusto Jun Devegili wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to generate MIPS code from gcc. I've tried
> 
> $ gcc test01.c -o test01 -mcpu=r2000
> 
> and this is the error message I got
> 
> cc1: error: bad value (r2000) for -mcpu= switch
> 
> I'm using gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 [FreeBSD] 20031106 in a FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT
> i386 box.
> 
> Any ideas?

gcc doesn't support all possible architectures at once, you have to
compile a gcc version targetted at that architecture.  There is
probably a port for this, e.g. devel/mips-rtems-gcc.

kris


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update of OpenSSL from tarball

2004-03-19 Thread J.D. Bronson
I thought I would post to the group my solution for updating OpenSSL w/o 
having to rebuild the entire machine...

# tar xzf openssl-0.9.7d.tar.gz
# cd openssl-0.9.7d
# ./config --prefix=/usr --openssldir=/etc/ssl
# make
# make test
# make install
..this seems to correctly place all the files where they need to be with 
the exception of a few. I did recompile a few apps since they had ldd to 
older files that were incorrect.

The problem is that I build most things from tarballs and overwrite alot of 
the base install binariesso if I did this fix the 'correct' way, I 
would have quite a mess on my hands.

YMMV

 -JDB

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Re: why can't I implement syslog ?

2004-03-19 Thread Peder Blom
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:18:59 + (GMT)
Supote Leelasupphakorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
>I would like to log my message by using syslog so I altered
> /etc/syslog.conf like below (kill and re-start syslogd as well)
> 
> # file: /etc/syslog.conf 
> -- snip ---
> 
> local1.debug/var/log/myScript.log
> 
> 
>   and in a shell script I use 
> 
> # /usr/bin/logger -i -p local1.debug -t myScript "this is a
> testing log message."
> 
> after I run above script nothing  to file:/var/log/myScript.log.
> Why not or
> I miss something ?
> 

You might have a program or hostname specification preceding your line
from syslog.conf. Probably true if you just appended the line to
syslog.conf. This would limit the scope of logging. See man syslog.conf!

The file "myscript.log" must exist before you restart syslogd to re-read
the configuration.

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Re: I need help mounting a floppy

2004-03-19 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Willy Dingledorf wrote:

Gentlemen:

I am a frustrated newbie who has a good back-ground in Microsoft operating-systems, 
but no experience with FreeBSD.  I have installed various versions of FreeBSD many 
times on several different computers ... but after a successful install, I keep 
running into brick-walls.
 

You ought to stop that ... pain hurts. :D

My most recent failure came after down-loading and installing FreeBSD version 5.2

I have been unable to mount the floppy-disk.

I have tried typing various commands that I found in different books, and also 
some that I found in the Help-files (that I down-loaded from the FreeBSD Web-site).

Here are some examples (none of which work):

# fdformat /dev/fd0
fdformat: open(/dev/fd0): No such file or directory
# mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
mount: /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
# mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy
msdosfs: /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
#mount_msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy
mount_msdos: command not found
Or, if you would rather that I take the "fstab" approach ... yes, I have 
tried that too ... and failed.  Here are some examples (none of which work):

I edited the fstab-file by inserting the following lines (each one, in turn):

/dev/fd0   /floppy  msdos rw,noauto  0  0
/dev/fd0   /floppy  msdosfs  rw 0  0
No matter what lines I tried, the result was always similar to this:

# mount /floppy
msdosfs /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
If it looks like I do not know what I am doing ... that is exactly right.
If I type something-in and it does not work ... I do not have any idea why ... 
and I have no idea how to invent some new words to type.

Can some-one help me ?  (And remember ... before you ask for my boot-log ... 
I cannot mount the floppy ... so I don't know how to get a text-file out 
of that machine).

Willy



 



Well, let's do an "optical diff" then ... what do
you see when you do this from the console?
$grep fd /var/log/dmesg.today

Should be something like:

   Using $PIR table, 6 entries at 0xc00fdf10
   fdc0:  port 
0x3f7,0x3f2-0
   x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0
   fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
   fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0

and what about:

   $ls / | grep mnt

That should say:

   mnt/

Kevin Kinsey
DaleCo, S.P.
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LG GSA-4081B, blank disk recommendations

2004-03-19 Thread h0444lp6
Dear list,

I just bought a LG GSA-4081B.

I would like to know of DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM blank
media, which are peticularly good supported. (tried LG web-site, and
different mailing lists without success).

Thanks

Zheyu

PS: heard DVD+R(W) media is not that good supported on this drive, is
that true?


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Re: Use LDAP auth at 5.2.1 ?

2004-03-19 Thread Uwe Laverenz
Frank Bonnet wrote:

Is there some howto to use nss_ldap and pam_ldap
at FreeBSD 5.2.1 ?
http://www.cultdeadsheep.org/FreeBSD/docs/Quick_and_dirty_FreeBSD_5_x_and_nss_ldap_mini-HOWTO.html

cu,
Uwe
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Re: I need help mounting a floppy

2004-03-19 Thread Richard . Williamson
> Willy Dingledorf wrote:
> >fdformat: open(/dev/fd0): No such file or directory
> >mount: /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
> >msdosfs: /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
> >msdosfs /dev/fd0: No such file or directory


I'd try Occam...

Can you give us the output of 

$ls /dev/fd0

regards,
rip

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RE: 5.1 & mysql problem

2004-03-19 Thread Darryl Hoar
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >I installed Freebsd 5.1-release.
> >
> >I then installed lynx from the ports system
> >without problem.
> >
> >I then installed apache13 from ports without
> >problem.
> >
> >When I tried to install mysql323-client.  I did
> >this by cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql323-client.
> >I then did a make.  It trundled away for a while,
> >and eventually errored out.
> >
> >configure: error: Your compiler cannot convert a 
> >longlong value to a float!
> >
> >I tried to install mysql323-server but it errored
> >out the same way.
> >
> >Any ideas why it won't compile ?  I checked the
> >version of gcc the system is using, and the 
> >man page say gcc-3.2.1.
> >  
> >
> Do you have to use mysql323-client? Did you tried the newest mysql 
> client from the newest port tree?
> 
I was trying to install mysql323-client on a machine.  I wanted the same
mysql version as what is on my production box.  So, I'd prefer not to
install mysql40-client.

thanks,
Darryl
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Re: FreeBSD as vmware guest OS and net

2004-03-19 Thread J. W. Ballantine

Sorry if I  didn't make my question clear.  I know my NIC card driver,
the problem is when I start up BSD as a guest OS in vmware, it responds that
it can't find a route to the network and I was inquiring if there
was a different  driver needed under vmware bridged-to-network.

Thanks for the response.

Jim

--  In Response to your message -

>  Date:  Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:28:34 -0500 (EST)
>  To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. W. Ballantine)
>  From:  Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject:  Re: FreeBSD as vmware guest OS and net
>
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I have a box with w2k as the primary OS and FreeBSD 4.9-stable installed
>  > as a dual-boot.  I also have vmware 4 installed under w2k with
>  > bsd as the guest OS.  My problem is I can't get bsd to talk to
>  > the network card.  What settings do I need and/or network driver do I
>  > need to set???
>  
>  Generally you can figure out the NIC driver by looking through
>  the boot messages.   use  dmesg(8)  to look at the file of
>  messages.When you find some text looking like it is talking
>  about a NIC, then take the two leter code it is referring to and
>  use it as your driver - in the kernel.
>  
>  On the machine I am currently on it looks like:
>  
>  em0:  
> port 0xdf40-0xdf7f mem 0xfeae-0xfeaf irq 9 at device 12.0 on pci1
>  em0:  Speed:N/A  Duplex:N/A
>  
>  So the driver is  'em'  in this case.
>  
>  jerry
>  
>  > 
>  > Jim
>  > 
>  


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Problems using ppp as a server

2004-03-19 Thread ejff
Hello, i have a problem using ppp as a server.
When i start it like this:

root # ppp -direct server

it prints out a garbage:

~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} 
}=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}
"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } }
 }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%
}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~
root # 

then terminates normally (i see it in the log file).

this is my ppp.conf file:

default:  
set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command   
ident user-ppp VERSION (built COMPILATIONDATE)
set device /dev/cuaa1 
set speed 38400  
set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \
\"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT"
set timeout 180
enable dns

server:
enable chap
set ifaddr 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.2

I also tried to run PPP like this:

root # ppp -direct server &

It doesn't terminate in this case, but it doesn't even listen to the telephone line 
when somebody dials up to me.

It starts to work only when i go into ppp interactive mode, and then run "term" 
command.

I have FreeBSD-4.4 RELEASE, and ppp 2.3.2

THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THAT I CAN NOT MAKE MY MODEM TO ANSWER TO THE CONNECTION REQUEST 
AUTOMATICALLY.
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Re: Downgrading 4.9-stable to 4.9-release-p3

2004-03-19 Thread Toomas Aas
Hi!

Kent Stewart wrote:

> My question is how is the typical sysadmin going to tell which ones were 
> built dynamically. 

file /path/to/program

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no text in drscheme

2004-03-19 Thread John Nielsen
I don't know if this is a DrScheme issue or if it's a FreeBSD/X issue, so I 
hope you'll indulge the cross-post.

I recently did an upgrade of several ports on my system, DrScheme being one 
of them.  Now when I run it, there is no visible text in any of the menus 
or dialog boxes.  The buttons and other controls are there, just sans text.  
Has anyone ever seen this before?  Any ideas for what I could check?

The version of drscheme on my machine now is 206p1.  I'm running FreeBSD 
5.2.1-RELEASE-p3.  I don't know exactly which software upgrade caused 
drscheme to stop working, but it has worked previously on this machine, and 
I haven't noticed problems in any of the other X apps I use (though that 
isn't very many).

Another interesting point is that the same thing happens if I try to run an 
older version of drscheme from a school computer (i.e. ssh -X hostname 
drscheme).  From the terminal of the remote computer, drscheme works just 
fine.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

JN
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RE: The clock is running too fast

2004-03-19 Thread Dan MacMillan
Hola

I'm sorry, I don't know what 'ntc' is.  Do you mean 'ntp'?  You can use ntp
or not ... if your timing hardware is off, ntp will constantly try to slew
the time back to where it should be, which will a) mean your systems concept
of time is very non-linear and b) fill the log with warning messages.  It's
actually a good check to see if the timer's good (although an slmost equally
good check is to sit there and look at the clock).

I forgot to mention that besides changing /etc/sysctl.conf, you have to
reboot.  If you don't want to reboot, you will have to do "sysctl
kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254" at a prompt.  But I'm not sure if that's a
value that can be set after the system boots.

I suggested "i8254" because it's the only device that was supplying good
time values on my system.  If you have trouble with that device, you might
also want to try "TSC".

-Dan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: March 19, 2004 01:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The clock is running too fast


Hi Dan,

Thanks for your advice.

> I had a similar problem on one of the machines at work.  Here is a memo I
> made to myself to remind me of how to fix the problem in the future:
>
> The "ACPI-safe" Timecounter does not work (it is way, WAY too fast).  To
> get around this, add the following line to /etc/sysctl.conf:
>
> kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254

Added above line to /etc/sysctl.conf

$ cat /etc/sysctl.conf
vfs.usermount=1
kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254

Now only 2 lines in this file.

I have adjusted the clock thereafter and will check it again later

> There are multiple pieces of hardware capable of supplying timing
> information to the OS.  "dmesg | grep Timecounter" should give you a list
> of all such devices.
>
> I think this is an ACPI-related problem, since that is the technology I
> understand the least at the moment.

$ dmesg | grep Timecounter
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 350797051 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec

Shall I run 'ntc' to synchronize the clock.

B.R.
Stephen



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Liu
> Sent: March 18, 2004 21:47
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: The clock is running too fast
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> AMD CUP
> FreeBSD 5.2
>
> The clock on KDE desktop is running on double speed compelling me to
adjust
> it
> periodically.  Kindly advise how to fix this problem.
>
> TIA
>
> B.R.
> Stephen Liu

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Re[2]: cdrom mount problem

2004-03-19 Thread Chris
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*



>I had a problem with burncd where I couldnt access the disk after
>burning.  I couldnt eject or mount it.  It required a reboot to get
>it.  I couldnt solve it but I was able to work around it by using
>cdcontrol.  See the man page for all options but breifly you can
>eject and then close the disk by
>cdcontrol -f /dev/acd0 eject
>cdcontrol -f /dev/acd0 close
>I cant remember exactly what I did but I am sure I just ejected by
>software then put back in and it worked fine.  It was as if somehow
>something was holding onto the disk.  I thought it was maybe my
>windows partition getting lonely.


Thanks for the advice, but it's not working:

cdcontrol> eject
cdcontrol> close
cdcontrol: Input/output error
cdcontrol> stop
cdcontrol: Device busy
cdcontrol> reset
cdcontrol: Device busy
cdcontrol> close
cdcontrol: Input/output error

I better call someone to peek at it, so see if the tray is open now but it was 
worth a shot!

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: How to know last files installed ?

2004-03-19 Thread Lowell Gilbert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A newbie to Unix here. I installed (almost innstalled) a package (emacs)
> on a VPS hosting account that I just signed up for. Emacs required other
> packages and this sucked up most of the disk quota.
> 
> For some reason, the installation didn't go well and it was interrupted.
> Now, I tried to pkg_delete emacs21 with no luck; it didn't reverse back
> the operation.
> 
> I want to know what & where are the files that still on my VPS account and
> taking up all this space. How can this be done?

The easiest way is probably to complete the installation and *then*
pkg_delete it.
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Trouble with CF PC card

2004-03-19 Thread Goodleaf, John M
Hello, 
I was recently given a Socket Low Power WLAN card, in compact flash form.
I've been trying to get in running plugged into the compact flash reader on
my old IBM X20 laptop. It's running FBSD 5.2.1. 

I'm not really sure how to proceed. I've never tried to run wireless stuff
on FreeBSD, or to run it on a laptop for that matter. When the card inserted
the machine reads it as follows (I'm doing this from memory)
pccard1:  unknown card 
pccard1: CIS info Socket, CF+ LP WLAN Card Rev B

So the card appears to be picked up and identified correctly, at least on
the second line. Moreover, it is listed as a supported chipset in the wi man
page. But:
wicontrol yields SIOC device not
configured.
ifconfig -a lists only the loopback interface.
running pccardd yields something like NO PC CARD

I do have pccard_enable in rc.conf and if I boot with the card plugged in,
it is listed in the boot log, in the same manner as above. 

I'm sure the problem is that I don't know what the hell I'm doing and the
solution is not immediately obvious. Can anyone recommend a place where I
can rtfm? So far I've seen only stuff for wicontrol, which isn't working for
reasons I don't grasp.

Thanks,
John


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Re: dating a ports tree

2004-03-19 Thread Scott K. Benolkin
Thank you for your answer.  I learned something, but I still appear to be
missing something obvious.  My supfile is appended below.  Using the line

*default tag=RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE list=cvs:RELENG_5_2

works as I anticipate for src-* collections, creating checkout files with
the appropriate name.  However, even with the line

*default tag=RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE list=cvs:.

above the ports-* collections, this supfile results in cvsup deleting all
the files in my ports tree.

Scott

Quoth Kris Kennaway:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 01:25:33PM -0600, Scott K. Benolkin wrote:
> > For CVSuping a ports tree (e.g., the ports distribution from a release
CD)
> > for the first time (i.e., no preexisting checkouts file), section 4.3
of
> > Salvo Bartolotta's "CVSup Advanced Points" article
> >
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvsup-advanced/article
> > .html)
> > recommends, "you should specify a date as close as possible to that of
> > `shipping' of your ports tree."  It's easy enough to do this roughly,
but
> > I'm curious if anyone knows an "official" (or at least surefire) way to
> > easily and precisely determine the "shipping" date of a ports tree
> > (realizing that the "date" keyword will specify a time down to the
second).
> >  I'm not trying to say this is essential, but if there's a best
practice,
> > I'd like to know.
> 
> cvsup to the tag of the release you are installing.  See the handbook
> for information about cvsup tags.
> 
> Kris
> 
> 

*default host=cvsup12.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs
*default delete use-rel-suffix
#*default compress
#*default tag=RELENG_5_2
*default tag=RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE list=cvs:RELENG_5_2
src-base
src-bin
src-contrib
src-crypto
#src-eBones
src-etc
src-games
src-gnu
src-include
#src-kerberos5
#src-kerberosIV
src-lib
src-libexec
src-release
src-sbin
src-secure
src-share
src-sys
src-sys-crypto
src-tools
src-usrbin
src-usrsbin
#*default tag=.
*default tag=RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE list=cvs:.
#ports-all
ports-base
ports-accessibility
#ports-arabic
ports-archivers
ports-astro
ports-audio
ports-benchmarks
ports-biology
ports-cad
#ports-chinese
ports-comms
ports-converters
ports-databases
ports-deskutils
ports-devel
ports-dns
ports-editors
ports-emulators
ports-finance
#ports-french
ports-ftp
ports-games
#ports-german
ports-graphics
#ports-hebrew
#ports-hungarian
ports-irc
#ports-japanese
ports-java
#ports-korean
ports-lang
ports-mail
ports-math
ports-mbone
ports-misc
ports-multimedia
ports-net
ports-news
ports-palm
ports-picobsd
#ports-polish
#ports-portuguese
ports-print
#ports-russian
ports-science
ports-security
ports-shells
ports-sysutils
ports-textproc
#ports-ukrainian
#ports-vietnamese
ports-www
ports-x11
ports-x11-clocks
ports-x11-fm
ports-x11-fonts
ports-x11-servers
ports-x11-toolkits
ports-x11-wm

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Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems

2004-03-19 Thread samy lancher
This morning I decided to install php4.4.2.2 back. In usr/ports/www/mod_php4 I gave 
"make clean". It cleared work directory. Than I gave "make install" command. I chose 
the option of installing php without mysql since i already have mysql in my system. 
Installation went on fine but now php is not able to connect to mysql. Any clues?
 
Thanks,
Naveen.
Jorn Argelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Why don't you use portupgrade instead? You can install it via
/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade if you don't have it. Though I am not
certain if it works or even exists for FreeBSD 4.5

Anyway, if you do have it, try this:

pkg_info | grep php
portupgrade -Rr 

Cheers,

Jorn

On 3/19/2004, "samy lancher" wrote:

>
>Hello All,
>
>I have FreeBSD 4.5, apache 1.3.26_3 and mod_php4-4.2.2 . i wanted to upgrade php to 
>php4-4.3.3.1 so i downloaded php4-4.3.3,1.tgz to usr/ports/distfiles and gave the 
>command
>
>port_update -r mod_php4-4.2.2 php4-4.3.3,1.tgz
>
>I noticed that php old version got uninstalled and the new one did not get installed. 
>Then in usr/ports/distfiles when i gave the command "pkg_add php4-4.3.3,1.tgz" i got 
>an error
>
>read_plist: bad command '@conflicts php4-4*'
>
>I guess it is something to do with package version and their dependencies but I am 
>not sure what exactly the problem is.
>
>I would also like to know if there is a way i can find out all the dependencies for a 
>particular package before actually installing it.
>
>I would appreciate if some one could help me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Naveen.
>
>
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Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems

2004-03-19 Thread Matt Emmerton
When you chose "install php without mysql", what you really did is install
PHP without mysql _support_.  This is why you can't connect.
Reinstall PHP *with* mysql support and you will be fine.

Matt

- Original Message - 
From: "samy lancher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jorn Argelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems


> This morning I decided to install php4.4.2.2 back. In
usr/ports/www/mod_php4 I gave "make clean". It cleared work directory. Than
I gave "make install" command. I chose the option of installing php without
mysql since i already have mysql in my system. Installation went on fine but
now php is not able to connect to mysql. Any clues?
>
> Thanks,
> Naveen.
> Jorn Argelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why don't you use portupgrade instead? You can install it via
> /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade if you don't have it. Though I am not
> certain if it works or even exists for FreeBSD 4.5
>
> Anyway, if you do have it, try this:
>
> pkg_info | grep php
> portupgrade -Rr
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jorn
>
> On 3/19/2004, "samy lancher" wrote:
>
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have FreeBSD 4.5, apache 1.3.26_3 and mod_php4-4.2.2 . i wanted to
upgrade php to php4-4.3.3.1 so i downloaded php4-4.3.3,1.tgz to
usr/ports/distfiles and gave the command
> >
> >port_update -r mod_php4-4.2.2 php4-4.3.3,1.tgz
> >
> >I noticed that php old version got uninstalled and the new one did not
get installed. Then in usr/ports/distfiles when i gave the command "pkg_add
php4-4.3.3,1.tgz" i got an error
> >
> >read_plist: bad command '@conflicts php4-4*'
> >
> >I guess it is something to do with package version and their dependencies
but I am not sure what exactly the problem is.
> >
> >I would also like to know if there is a way i can find out all the
dependencies for a particular package before actually installing it.
> >
> >I would appreciate if some one could help me.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Naveen.
> >
> >
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Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems

2004-03-19 Thread samy lancher
If I install with mysql, Will i lose my existing databases.?

Matt Emmerton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:When you chose "install php without mysql", 
what you really did is install
PHP without mysql _support_. This is why you can't connect.
Reinstall PHP *with* mysql support and you will be fine.

Matt

- Original Message - 
From: "samy lancher" 
To: "Jorn Argelo" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems


> This morning I decided to install php4.4.2.2 back. In
usr/ports/www/mod_php4 I gave "make clean". It cleared work directory. Than
I gave "make install" command. I chose the option of installing php without
mysql since i already have mysql in my system. Installation went on fine but
now php is not able to connect to mysql. Any clues?
>
> Thanks,
> Naveen.
> Jorn Argelo wrote:
>
> Why don't you use portupgrade instead? You can install it via
> /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade if you don't have it. Though I am not
> certain if it works or even exists for FreeBSD 4.5
>
> Anyway, if you do have it, try this:
>
> pkg_info | grep php
> portupgrade -Rr
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jorn
>
> On 3/19/2004, "samy lancher" wrote:
>
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have FreeBSD 4.5, apache 1.3.26_3 and mod_php4-4.2.2 . i wanted to
upgrade php to php4-4.3.3.1 so i downloaded php4-4.3.3,1.tgz to
usr/ports/distfiles and gave the command
> >
> >port_update -r mod_php4-4.2.2 php4-4.3.3,1.tgz
> >
> >I noticed that php old version got uninstalled and the new one did not
get installed. Then in usr/ports/distfiles when i gave the command "pkg_add
php4-4.3.3,1.tgz" i got an error
> >
> >read_plist: bad command '@conflicts php4-4*'
> >
> >I guess it is something to do with package version and their dependencies
but I am not sure what exactly the problem is.
> >
> >I would also like to know if there is a way i can find out all the
dependencies for a particular package before actually installing it.
> >
> >I would appreciate if some one could help me.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Naveen.
> >
> >
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Rxvt replacement?

2004-03-19 Thread Francisco Reyes
Ever since I updated to stable a few days ago (from an Oct 2003 stable)
Rxvt either takes a long time to come up or flat out crashes Xfree. Logs
for Xfree say that a signal 11 was caught, but nothing else.

Tried asking on the stable list,but got no response. Tried updating Xfree,
reinstalling xfce, reinstalling rxvt. No luck.

Is there any other xterm replacement which is small like rxvt? Or at least
smaller than xterm.

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dump/restore issue

2004-03-19 Thread David Bear
My tape unit has been giving me problems on one server.  So I did a
dump over ssh to another box with a working tape like this:

  dump -0u -a -b 64 -f - /dev/da1s1e | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] dd of=/dev/nrsa0 

Then to check the dump on srv2 I did

  restore -i -f /dev/nrsa0

which came back and said the tape block size was different than the
dump block size or something like that.

>From my reading of the dump man page the -b parm controlled the block
size of the chunks that dump wrote, but was NOT connected to the
actual block size of the tape.  Since this tape is a variable block
device, I went ahead and set -b to the max...

But now what do I do about restore? 

Is there a better way to control tape block size when piping through
ssh?  ie, dd of=/dev/nrsa0 bs=512??  But then what meaning does the -b
parm have in dump?

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Re: Rxvt replacement?

2004-03-19 Thread Peter Schuller
> Is there any other xterm replacement which is small like rxvt? Or at least
> smaller than xterm.

Grepping around the ports tree i found 'wterm' which is supposedly a 
fork/branch of rxvt (haven't tried it yet). There's also aterm (also forked 
off rxvt apparantly).

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Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems

2004-03-19 Thread samy lancher
I tried to installed PHP with MySQL but I could not successfully install it. I got an 
error which says "MySQL is already installed in your system, please uninstall mysql 
first."
Is there a way to install php without actually uninstalling mysql?

Matt Emmerton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When you chose "install php without mysql", what you really did is install
PHP without mysql _support_. This is why you can't connect.
Reinstall PHP *with* mysql support and you will be fine.

Matt

- Original Message - 
From: "samy lancher" 
To: "Jorn Argelo" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: php installation problems; now mysql connection problems


> This morning I decided to install php4.4.2.2 back. In
usr/ports/www/mod_php4 I gave "make clean". It cleared work directory. Than
I gave "make install" command. I chose the option of installing php without
mysql since i already have mysql in my system. Installation went on fine but
now php is not able to connect to mysql. Any clues?
>
> Thanks,
> Naveen.
> Jorn Argelo wrote:
>
> Why don't you use portupgrade instead? You can install it via
> /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade if you don't have it. Though I am not
> certain if it works or even exists for FreeBSD 4.5
>
> Anyway, if you do have it, try this:
>
> pkg_info | grep php
> portupgrade -Rr
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jorn
>
> On 3/19/2004, "samy lancher" wrote:
>
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I have FreeBSD 4.5, apache 1.3.26_3 and mod_php4-4.2.2 . i wanted to
upgrade php to php4-4.3.3.1 so i downloaded php4-4.3.3,1.tgz to
usr/ports/distfiles and gave the command
> >
> >port_update -r mod_php4-4.2.2 php4-4.3.3,1.tgz
> >
> >I noticed that php old version got uninstalled and the new one did not
get installed. Then in usr/ports/distfiles when i gave the command "pkg_add
php4-4.3.3,1.tgz" i got an error
> >
> >read_plist: bad command '@conflicts php4-4*'
> >
> >I guess it is something to do with package version and their dependencies
but I am not sure what exactly the problem is.
> >
> >I would also like to know if there is a way i can find out all the
dependencies for a particular package before actually installing it.
> >
> >I would appreciate if some one could help me.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Naveen.
> >
> >
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
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lsmod

2004-03-19 Thread Brian Henning
Greetings:
I am trying to run cisco vpn software on Freebsd. It is a linux binary so, I
turned on emulation. I am running into the following problem, is there a way to
install lsmod?

thanks,
brian

 /home/henninb/vpn/vpnclient> ./vpnclient_init start
Starting @VPNBINDIR@/vpnclient: ./vpnclient_init: /sbin/lsmod: not found
module directory /lib/modules/4.9-STABLE/CiscoVPN not found.
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SUDO and adduser... not allowing group of wheel

2004-03-19 Thread Eric Six
Hi all,

I have an admin question regarding sudo. I want a user to be able to use sudo with 
adduser, but not be able to add users to the group wheel. How would I go a bout doing 
this?

Cmnd_Alias  NOWHEEL = !/usr/sbin/adduser -group wheel

I tried the above and that doesn't seem to do it..

TIA
Eric

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Re: problem with MySon Ethernet Nics

2004-03-19 Thread GiTi
On Thursday 18 March 2004 18:09, Olaf Hoyer wrote:

> Ok, do you have any Information about the chipset used on these?
>
> What is needed, is the dmesg output, at least those lines where the nic
> is probed.
>
> should read something like:
>
> pci2:  foo bar

dmesg print out something like:

pci2:


My Nics is:
SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter

i have tried to rebuilded the kernel and compiled its driver (basing on the
instruction) into kernel several times but I have not succeeded

It is said that freebsd 5.2 supported MySon Ethernet Nics and ... i am
surprized . Maybe I have missed somthing?
Please help me to solve this problem


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Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Joshua Lokken


http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8



Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)

Thanks, folks.



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-- the living and the dying.
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Re: Rxvt replacement?

2004-03-19 Thread Francisco Reyes
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Peter Schuller wrote:

> > Is there any other xterm replacement which is small like rxvt? Or at least
> > smaller than xterm.
>
> fork/branch of rxvt (haven't tried it yet). There's also aterm (also forked
> off rxvt apparantly).

Went with aterm. It's size is just a few KBs more than Rxvt.
Working nicely so far.

Thanks for reference.
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> 
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> 
> 
> 
> Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)

Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
out refused to follow this logical norm.  Others simply follow the
precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to
delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread
in the right direction.  For my part, my reply behavior depends on the
audience.  One would think that a company with so many geeks (from
developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.

Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.

I feel your pain dude.

Lou
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Joshua Lokken wrote:

http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8



Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
Thanks, folks.
 

Now, it's Almost certain that i'm VEry
"out of it" whEN it comes to Netiquette,
but "Almost eVEry singlE reply" might be
too stroNg a statement; however, i thiNk
thAt it is most obVious that you ExcEl iN
matters of tact!
KDK

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using wget for FETCH_CMD

2004-03-19 Thread Brady Montz
Hello, I've been using wget as my FETCH_CMD in /etc/make.conf for some
time now, as it's the only thing I've been able to use to reliably get
through the microsoft proxy server.

Now, when I "make fetch", I get this error:

wget: illegal option --

and according to the thread "/etc/make.c & wget..." on this list, a
couple weeks back it appears that a recent change to /usr/ports/Mk/*
broke this, and now FETCH_CMD needs to use fetch.

The problem is, that I while I fetch does seem to be able to download HTTP
urls, I can't get it to download FTP urls through the proxy.

I've tried various combinations of FTP_PROXY and FTP_PASSIVE_MODE. Is
there anything else I can set? 

Finally, is there any way I can get it to use wget again?

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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Joshua Lokken
* Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-19 09:55]:
> Joshua Lokken wrote:
> 
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> >
> >
> >
> >Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> >People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> >that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> >intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> >RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> >list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
> >
> >Thanks, folks.
> > 
> >
> 
> Now, it's Almost certain that i'm VEry
> "out of it" whEN it comes to Netiquette,
> but "Almost eVEry singlE reply" might be
> too stroNg a statement; however, i thiNk
> thAt it is most obVious that you ExcEl iN
> matters of tact!
> 
> KDK
> 

Your wit is absolutely refreshing ;)


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Re: Playing DVDs with xine

2004-03-19 Thread Andrew Elmore
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 06:39:00PM -0600, Michael Madden wrote:
> Has anyone gotten xine to play DVDs? I have installed
> it from /usr/ports/multimedia/xine and setup /dev/dvd,
> but I keep getting this error:
> 
> This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.9.23.
> (c) 2000-2003 The xine Team.
> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc3a from http://xine.sf.net
> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
> libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.
> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
> libdvdnav: vm: faild to open/read the DVD
> 
> ls -l /dev/dvd /dev/cd0
> 
> crw-rw-rw-  1 root  operator4,  20 Mar 18 07:47 /dev/cd0
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel3 Mar 18 17:51 /dev/dvd -> /dev/cd0


Despite the error message, you probably need to make sure your userid
can write to the dvd device.

A good tool to use for solving this kind of problem is truss or
ktrace.  That will show you what the program is *really* doing!

regards,
Andrew
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-03-19T17:53:31Z, "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Now, it's Almost certain that i'm VEry "out of it" whEN it comes to
> Netiquette, but "Almost eVEry singlE reply" might be too stroNg a
> statement; however, i thiNk thAt it is most obVious that you ExcEl iN
> matters of tact!

Do you AgRee that it's Not limited to techNical nEWsgroups, having Been In
othEr forumS as well?
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RE: Mail readers

2004-03-19 Thread Dan MacMillan
It's not just terminal mail readers that had the problem ... I'm using MS
Outlook 2000 and your problem messages also appeared screwy to me.  I don't
have any suggestions to contribute, just this observation.

-Dan

-Original Message-
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Silverstrim
Sent: March 19, 2004 04:54
To: FreeBSD-questions Mailing List
Subject: Re: Mail readers



On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:49 AM, Gary W. Swearingen wrote:

> Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> No. Nothing. Format=flowed applies solely to plain-text messages. HTML
>> messages already have something functionally equivalent to f=f: the
>>  attribute, which... um... quotes blocks of text. When f=f
>> mailers that also can handle HTML encounter  text, it’s
>> usually marked up with the same excerpt bars we’re familiar with from
>> f=f. Format=flowed isn’t actually at work there, but since
>>  text flows nicely when you resize a window, the effect is
>> the same.
> I've never heard of this f=f stuff and don't have time just now to
> investigate, but I'll keep typing anyway.  I think the problem is
> the same but worse.  f=f is probably spec'd in a new draft RFC and
> many mail readers don't support it, so your correspondents on a list
> list this can't handle it well.
>

According to the FAQ, it (f=f) was developed (IIRC) by Qualcomm to not
solve any problem in particular.  However, this form of formatting
would allow text to be easily formatted into columns readable by any
kind of simple display...i.e., PDAs and cellphones with text messaging
and email, etc. and at the same time it would easily scale to larger
(PC) displays with pretty formatting and proper wrapping.  Older
readers would just ignore the formatting characters and mangle it
accordingly.

Oddly enough (if my current theory holds) where the invisible f=f
formatting is inserted in an Apple app is dependent on the width of the
composition window...which on my iBook really sucks because this window
looks so NARROW compared to what I'm used to, hoping that other
people's mail readers work a little better with reading my posts to the
list.  I haven't heard other people complaining as much about my mail
wrapping at the 120 mark, so I'm hoping that maybe this will make it
easier for others...

It shouldn't be that hard for terminal mailers to adopt f=f, if I'm
understanding it properly...just be a matter of time.

-Bart

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RE: How to get an overview of the installed ports

2004-03-19 Thread Dan MacMillan
pkg_tree is also available in the ports collection at
/usr/ports/sysutils/pkg_tree

-Dan

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To: Ronald Hoellwarth
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to get an overview of the installed ports


Ronald Hoellwarth wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I've installed some apps and deinstalled them  again because I didn't
>like them. While installing them other software was installed too but
>I think it wasn't removed when I removed the unwanted programms.
>
>Is there a possibility to get an overview which ports are installed and
>how they are linked? something like this:
>
>appA
>needs appB appC
>needed by appD appE appF
>
>appB
>needs -none-
>needed by appA
>
>...
>
>Then I could go through the list and see which programms I have to
>remove in order to get a cleaner system.
>
>greetings from crailsheim, germany
>ronald höllwarth
>
>
>
Try this app pkg_tree from page
http://www.mavetju.org/unix/general.php

Maybe help.



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Re: using wget for FETCH_CMD

2004-03-19 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Mar 19), Brady Montz said:
> The problem is, that I while I fetch does seem to be able to download
> HTTP urls, I can't get it to download FTP urls through the proxy.
> 
> I've tried various combinations of FTP_PROXY and FTP_PASSIVE_MODE. Is
> there anything else I can set?

Setting FTP_PROXY to http://proxyserver:port/ works for me and a squid
proxy.  If it's using a proxy, I don't think FTP_PASSIVE_MODE is
checked.

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Re: using wget for FETCH_CMD

2004-03-19 Thread Brady Montz
Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In the last episode (Mar 19), Brady Montz said:
>> The problem is, that I while I fetch does seem to be able to download
>> HTTP urls, I can't get it to download FTP urls through the proxy.
>> 
>> I've tried various combinations of FTP_PROXY and FTP_PASSIVE_MODE. Is
>> there anything else I can set?
>
> Setting FTP_PROXY to http://proxyserver:port/ works for me and a squid
> proxy.  If it's using a proxy, I don't think FTP_PASSIVE_MODE is
> checked.

Sadly, it doesn't work for me. And, as much as I hate this proxy
server, it is what I have to go through. 

So, is there any way to get back to using wget? I have my doubts that
fetch is going to be able to do the job.

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RE: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread flowers
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joshua Lokken
> Sent: March 19, 2004 10:22
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Top posting
>
> Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
>
> Thanks, folks.

My apologies.  I saw the requests not to "top post" but didn't understand
what that meant.  I think my "Outlook 2000" comment explains why.  :)

-Dan

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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread whizkid
>
>etiquetteetiquette
> http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>
>
>
> Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
>
> Thanks, folks.
>

It is amazing how people just do not care.  I was reading a few postings
on Yahoo's Finance pages (looking at people talking about the company I
work for) and there is this one character who has been told many many many
times, be he still insists on top posting and POSTING IN ALL CAPS... 
Someone should create a script that will bounce the message if all the
words are in CAPS and if the message is top posted, with a reply on proper
posting etiquette..  ;)
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ipfw question...

2004-03-19 Thread Xpression
Hi list, I've this network configuration:

router (169.158.120.177)
server1 (169.158.120.178) running bind (named), tacacs+, exim, and a pop3
server
server2 (169.158.120.179) running squid, apache2, mysql, proftpd (is acting
as a GATEWAY)

I've a LAN (192.168.1.0/24) and a breaking apart "LAN" (192.168.2.0/8,
192.168.2.8/8, 192.168.2.16/8), my question is: I want to protect my LAN,
"LAN" and servers from the outside, I want to use ipfw, I have compiled a
kernel in server2 (FreeBSD-4.8 on both servers) and I'm blocked (in & out),
I've some doubts about adding rules 'cause I've been seeing so many samples
on the net and I'm a little bit confused...any suggestion about
configuration ???

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Re: ipfw question...

2004-03-19 Thread whizkid
> Hi list, I've this network configuration:
>
> router (169.158.120.177)
> server1 (169.158.120.178) running bind (named), tacacs+, exim, and a pop3
> server
> server2 (169.158.120.179) running squid, apache2, mysql, proftpd (is
> acting
> as a GATEWAY)
>
> I've a LAN (192.168.1.0/24) and a breaking apart "LAN" (192.168.2.0/8,
> 192.168.2.8/8, 192.168.2.16/8), my question is: I want to protect my LAN,
> "LAN" and servers from the outside, I want to use ipfw, I have compiled a
> kernel in server2 (FreeBSD-4.8 on both servers) and I'm blocked (in &
> out),
> I've some doubts about adding rules 'cause I've been seeing so many
> samples
> on the net and I'm a little bit confused...any suggestion about
> configuration ???

one thing that I learned was to make sure when you start opening ports (IE
you have DENY ALL as default) that you start with the lowest port number..
 I for the life of me could not get SMTP working, so I moved it from the
bottom of my IPFW rules to the top, and walla it worked.  If you would
like I can post my IPFW rules.  They are extemly simple for my SSH, POP3,
SMTP, NTP, IMAP, BIND8 setup...
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Re: Downgrading 4.9-stable to 4.9-release-p3

2004-03-19 Thread Kent Stewart
On Friday 19 March 2004 06:48 am, Toomas Aas wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Kent Stewart wrote:
> > My question is how is the typical sysadmin going to tell which ones
> > were built dynamically.
>
> file /path/to/program
>

That tells you whether the program is static or dynamic but it doesn't 
tell you if it used one of the openssl libraries. I think you are going 
to have to read a number of Makefiles to figure that out. A clever 
script person could automate it with find and exec but the quantity of 
information that you would still have to look at could be huge. Would 
it be worth the effort.

I can rebuild my userland and kernel and be running it in around 30 
minutes. You can't lookup very many programs, build the static ones 
that use openssl, and install them in that amount of time. 

Kent

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Re: using wget for FETCH_CMD

2004-03-19 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Mar 19), Brady Montz said:
> Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > In the last episode (Mar 19), Brady Montz said:
> >> The problem is, that I while I fetch does seem to be able to
> >> download HTTP urls, I can't get it to download FTP urls through
> >> the proxy.
> >> 
> >> I've tried various combinations of FTP_PROXY and FTP_PASSIVE_MODE.
> >> Is there anything else I can set?
> >
> > Setting FTP_PROXY to http://proxyserver:port/ works for me and a
> > squid proxy.  If it's using a proxy, I don't think FTP_PASSIVE_MODE
> > is checked.
> 
> Sadly, it doesn't work for me. And, as much as I hate this proxy
> server, it is what I have to go through.

What doesn't work, exactly?  Try comparing the output of 
"fetch -vv ftp://ftp.netscape.com/Welcome"; and 
"wget -d ftp://ftp.netscape.com/Welcome";.

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Re: Problems using ppp as a server

2004-03-19 Thread Sergey 'DoubleF' Zaharchenko
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:34:16 +0300 (MSK)
"ejff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> probably wrote:

> Hello, i have a problem using ppp as a server.
> When i start it like this:
> 
> root # ppp -direct server
> 
> it prints out a garbage:
> 
> ~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} 
> }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}
> "}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } }
>  }!}$}%э}%}&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~~Ъ}#ю!}!}!} }=}(}"}'}"}"}&} } } } }!}$}%э}%
> }&?Е3i}#}%б#}%Cц~

It doesn't work this way. ppp's standard  input and output should be
directed to the device.

> THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THAT I CAN NOT MAKE MY MODEM TO ANSWER TO THE
> CONNECTION REQUEST AUTOMATICALLY. 

Find the section RECEIVING INCOMING PPP CONNECTIONS in

$ man ppp

FWIW I'm using method No2.

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Re[2]: 5.2(x)-RELEASE panic booting

2004-03-19 Thread Guy Harrison

Hi Guy Harrison,
you wrote.
>> Do you get the same result if booting without ACPI?

GH> Yes. I'm assuming here that the [default] boot option does not have ACPI
GH> enabled (if so, how to disable it?). The boot results are identical to
GH> when I select option 2 to boot with ACPI enabled.

> I too get a page fault when trying to boot from that ISO on a P3 1GHZ
> with SiS 630 chipset. I think my memory is fine as it ran through 10 memtest 
runs
> without a single problem (my original motivation was to install 5.2.1
> on that box to check whether the weird MySQL issue really doesn't
> exist on Intel CPUs).
> 
> 
> It is fine on an Athlon XP2400 using VIA KT400 based mainboard though.

Not my month this - you name it, and its gone wrong, packed up, vanished or 
plonked itself nicely into the bizarre category.

Fwiw, it appears I have a cheap Alladin V clone. Booting can be achieved by 
disabling power management in the BIOS *plus* fiddling with an IRQ3 option 
that I don't fully understand (can't get a decent bios manual). That'll get 
the machine to boot.

Next problem manifests itself as dodgy ram - gcc & bz2 failures. Default CS 
latency is "Auto" but setting it specifically to match the ram (CS=2) 
improves things greatly. The north/south bridge chips don't match any 
datasheet - iirc it appears one is off one particular release series, the 
other off the next mobo release.

Finally nailed the remaining reliability problem down to UDMA. Moment I turned 
it off, spurious faults went away and haven't re-occurred since. Obviously 
this mobo is a pile of junk. On the off-chance there's useful info to be had, 
here's how it fires up currently...

Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 23 20:45:55 GMT 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc09e3000.
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (350.80-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x580  Stepping = 0
  Features=0x8001bf
  AMD Features=0x8800
real memory  = 201326592 (192 MB)
avail memory = 185921536 (177 MB)
npx0: [FAST]
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcibios: BIOS version 2.10
Using $PIR table, 7 entries at 0xc00f7dd0
pcib0:  at pcibus 0 on motherboard
pci0:  on pcib0
pci_cfgintr: 0:14 INTA BIOS irq 11
pci_cfgintr: 0:16 INTA BIOS irq 10
pci_cfgintr: 0:18 INTA BIOS irq 9
agp0:  mem 0xe000-0xe3ff at device 0.0 
on pci0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pci1:  at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
isab0:  at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
pci0:  at device 14.0 (no driver attached)
atapci0:  port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 
15.0 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata0: [MPSAFE]
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ata1: [MPSAFE]
vr0:  port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 
0xdf00-0xdfff irq 10 at device 16.0 on pci0
vr0: Ethernet address: 00:40:f4:8c:7d:f8
miibus0:  on vr0
ukphy0:  on miibus0
ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
ahc0:  port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 
0xdfffd000-0xdfffdfff irq 9 at device 18.0 on pci0
aic7860: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/253 SCBs
orm0:  at iomem 0xc8000-0xc87ff,0xc-0xc7fff on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
atkbdc0:  at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0
atkbd0:  flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0:  irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3
fdc0:  at port 
0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
ppc0:  at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppbus0:  on ppc0
plip0:  on ppbus0
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0:  on ppbus0
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0x10
sio1: port may not be enabled
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
unknown:  can't assign resources (port)
unknown:  can't assign resources (port)
unknown:  can't assign resources (port)
unknown:  can't assign resources (port)
unknown:  can't assign resources (port)
unknown:  can't assign resources (port)
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 350796635 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
GEOM: create disk ad0 dp=0xc26d6160
ad0: 114473MB  [232581/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33
acd0: DVDROM  at ata0-slave PIO4
GEOM: create disk ad2 dp=0xc2733560
ad2: 6149MB  [13328/15/63] at ata1-master UDMA33
acd1: CDRW  at ata1-slave PIO4
Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a
[snip]

I wouldn't mind a hint on the audio side? Card used to work fine in another 
machine running 4.7-REL (Ensoniq AudioPCI). I'm a bi

Re: Building Packages - Links to Tutorials?

2004-03-19 Thread Drew Tomlinson
On 3/7/2004 1:15 PM Remko Lodder wrote:

I am not sure but perhaps after the make -DCLIENT_ONLY=yes stuff
you can do make package, this should in my opinion make the package
you can install everywhere you wish (freebsd ofcourse).
Note that i did not read any explaination about this, and i just assume
this when i  "decode" the command into explaination.
 

Just to inform you, I tried these steps but the package still wants to 
be installed.  First I did "make -DWITH_CLIENT_ONLY=YES build".  Then I 
did "make package" and got an error about deinstalling the package 
before installing again.

Thanks for your help.

Drew

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Kind regards,

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hackerscene
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Verzonden: zondag 7 maart 2004 22:13
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Onderwerp: Re: Building Packages - Links to Tutorials?
Sean Ellis told a big fish story including the following on 3/6/2004
12:51 PM:
 

On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:34:20PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote:

   

I have a "faster" machine that I'd like to use to build packages and
then install those packages on my "slower" machine.  I'm looking for
links to info describing this process and some best practices.  I'm
familiar with using portupgrade to build and install ports.  I've read
the portupgrade man pages and see options to build and install packages
but am not understanding how to put it all together.
 

Check this out.

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD_Basics.html

.. under "Making a Package Repository".

   

Thanks, that helps.  Now, is there any way to make a package without
installing it?  For example, on my build machine I have the full version
of bacula installed.  However, I'd like to make a package that is built
with the "CLIENT_ONLY=YES" option.  So do I really have to build and
install it "wrong" on the build machine and then rebuild and install it
"right" just to get the package I want to install on another machine?
Seem like there would be a better way.
Thanks,

Drew

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CMS on FreeBSD

2004-03-19 Thread Scott I. Remick
I'm thinking about setting up a FreeBSD-based CMS/intranet and wanted to
know what other people were doing.

I have a tiny bit of experience with PHP-Nuke because my webhost uses it.
Although I have no real complaints about it, I am not wedded to it.

PHP-Nuke is in ports and was recently upgraded to 6.9 after stagnating at
6.0 for a long time. This makes me concerned that if I invested in it, and
the need for an update came, I might be SOL for a while due to lack of a
maintainer. As it is right now, it is marked FORBIDDEN due to a
vulnerability with versions below 7.1.

Also, there seems to be a lot of hatred towards PHP-Nuke. I don't claim to
understand it, but I can accept they might know something I don't. I do
know that PHP is rather easy for me to work with, as I've tweaked many
pages on my hosted site. I am also not turned away by the fact that
PHP-Nuke depends on MySQL as I have used it with Bugzilla and it doesn't
scare me.

Looking at other options, there comes Postnuke. Seems a pretty-popular
close-relation to PHP-Nuke, however the version in ports seems 2+ years
old. So there is the maintainership issue again. And a lot of people hate
BOTH *Nukes, for perhaps good reasons I don't totally grasp, so there's
that too.

Diverging a bit, I noticed Drupal. Currently in ports but broken.

Most promising seems Plone, which is based upon Zope. But it seems to be
tremendously different from *nuke. The ports version is current and appears
to work, but poking around the Plone site I wasn't able to get a feel for
whether it truly can provide all the stuff I'm looking for. These are
things such as:

- Discussion forums
- 3rd-party themes (I'm not looking to develop my own themes... I'm looking
to get this up fast. Instead I'm looking for an established community of
Plone-theme creators who like to create custom themes available for
download, so I can pick one that appeals to me)
- Polls
- a variety of other modules/blocks (strength of the *nukes, but couldn't
find a similar following for Plone).

I'm also concerned about Plone using its own webserver. I feel very good
using Apache as I've a lot of experience with it, and I like the idea of
delegating components to groups with that strength. I also don't know
Python, but could try and learn if Plone was worth it.

This would be for an intranet site for about 100 employees. Looking to
replace the mass-mailed MS Word "newsletter", as well as provide a place to
centrally discuss topics without having to try and hold meetings (and
leaving things unaddressed because you're unable to pull a meeting
together), give people a "classifieds" board, etc.

What are other people doing for CMS on FreeBSD? Just how different is Plone
from the *Nukes? Are there fundamental differences I need to understand?
Can I do everything I want to with Plone without having to become a Python
expert, code my own modules, etc? 

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lpt0 stopped working after upgrading

2004-03-19 Thread Markie
Hello,

I recently upgraded to the latest -CURRENT and afterwards my printer would
no longer print over Samba via CUPS. At first I thought it was a CUPS/Samba
problem so I deinstalled and recompiled both of those but the problem still
remains.

CUPS recieves the print jobs ok and tries to print but in the web interface
it says something along the lines of "parallel port busy, retrying in 30
seconds..." and indeed trying echo hello > /dev/lpt0 says device busy. I
deleted the printer from CUPS yesterday to discover that lpt0 is no longer
in the drop down list where you select where the printer is attached (serial
0 and 1, parallel etc). I have unplugged the printer lead and tried too and
I get the same device busy, but maybe that's supposed to happen if there's
nothing plugged in? Also on boot the printer gets recognised properly with
the lead in.

I have also tried disabling ACPI in BIOS as I read somewhere that this may
solve the problem, but it's the same :o)

Can anyone help me? Should I post this to the current list instead?
Thanks

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Re: CMS on FreeBSD

2004-03-19 Thread Jack Raats
Hi Scott,

> I'm thinking about setting up a FreeBSD-based CMS/intranet and wanted to
> know what other people were doing.

I'm running an intranet site on a Pentium 1, 80 MB RAM, 120 MHz and a 30GB
Harddisk.
I'm using Mambo 4.5, which can be downloaded at
http://www.mamboserver.com or with a lot of templates at
http://www.mamboportal.com. It only uses Apache, MySQL ann d PHP4

Jack

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atacontrol addspare missing in -stable

2004-03-19 Thread Harald Schmalzbauer
Hi all,

how do I rebuild a degraded RADI1 in -stable? I have a HighPoint 372 
Controller and yesterday had one drive failed (wich it does regularly and 
comes back fine after reboot).
"atacontrol status ar0" reported only one disk (ad4) and degraded (of course).
In -current with a SIL0680 I usually issue "atacontrol detach $failedchannel 
&& atacontrol attach $failedchannel && atacontrol addspare $faileddrive ar0 
&& atacontrol rebuild ar0"

Please give me an idea how things should work under -stable (from ~3 weeks 
ago).

Thanks,

-Harry


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Re: ld-elf, libkvm out of sync, can't build ports

2004-03-19 Thread knowtree
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:13:42PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Running 4.9 STABLE, fresh cvsup of src and ports. Kernel builds and
> > installs fine, but none of my ports will build. gkrellm and postgresql,
> > just to name a couple.
> > 
> > Linking stops with error message:
> > 
> > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libkvm.so.2: Undefined symbol
> > "__stderrp"
> > 
> > It looks as if I need to update or rebuild libkvm, but I can't find
> > anything that explains how.
> > 
> > How can I fix this?
> 
> Looks like you dont in fact have an up-to-date 4.9-STABLE system; that
> symbol is in libc (and has been for a long time now):
> 
> > objdump -T /usr/lib/libc.so.4 | grep stderrp
> 0008797c gDO .data  0004 __stderrp
> 
> Post your cvsupfile if you need additional help figuring out what went
> wrong with your upgrade.

Thanks, Kris!

 I looked over my supfile and it is absolutly generic, but just to be sure
I'm going to get the latest one in /usr/share. The one I have been using is
included below.

I did that objdump command on my system and got this:

0008567c gDO .data  0004 __stderrp

and the dir listing is:

-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  580540 Mar 18 11:54 /usr/lib/libc.so.4

so it appears to have been built yesterday, the last time I built my kernel.

Why does the complaint come from libkvm if the symbol is in libc? Is my C
compiler out of whack?

Here's my supfile:

# $FreeBSD: src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile,v 1.19.2.4 2000/08/18
18:50:21 jkh Exp $
#
# This file contains all of the "CVSup collections" that make up the
# FreeBSD-stable source tree.
#
# CVSup (CVS Update Protocol) allows you to download the latest CVS
# tree (or any branch of development therefrom) to your system easily
# and efficiently (far more so than with sup, which CVSup is aimed
# at replacing).  If you're running CVSup interactively, and are
# currently using an X display server, you should run CVSup as follows
# to keep your CVS tree up-to-date:
#
#   cvsup stable-supfile
#
# If not running X, or invoking cvsup from a non-interactive script, then
# run it as follows:
#
#   cvsup -g -L 2 stable-supfile
#
# You may wish to change some of the settings in this file to better
# suit your system:
#
# host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org
#   This specifies the server host which will supply the
#   file updates.  You must change it to one of the CVSup
#   mirror sites listed in the FreeBSD Handbook at
#   http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html.
#   You can override this setting on the command line
#   with cvsup's "-h host" option.
#
# base=/usr
#   This specifies the root where CVSup will store information
#   about the collections you have transferred to your system.
#   A setting of "/usr" will generate this information in
#   /usr/sup.  Even if you are CVSupping a large number of
#   collections, you will be hard pressed to generate more than
#   ~1MB of data in this directory.  You can override the
#   "base" setting on the command line with cvsup's "-b base"
#   option.  This directory must exist in order to run CVSup.
#
# prefix=/usr
#   This specifies where to place the requested files.  A
#   setting of "/usr" will place all of the files requested
#   in "/usr/src" (e.g., "/usr/src/bin", "/usr/src/lib").
#   The prefix directory must exist in order to run CVSup.
#
###
#
# DANGER!  WARNING!  LOOK OUT!  VORSICHT!
#
# If you add any of the ports collections to this file, be sure to
# specify them like this:
#
#   ports-all tag=.
#
# If you leave out the "tag=." portion, CVSup will delete all of
# the files in your ports tree.  That is because the ports collections
# do not use the same tags as the main part of the FreeBSD source tree.
#
###

# Defaults that apply to all the collections
#
# IMPORTANT: Change the next line to use one of the CVSup mirror sites
# listed at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html.
*default host=cvsup13.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
# The following line is for 4-stable.  If you want 3-stable or 2.2-stable,
# change "RELENG_4" to "RELENG_3" or "RELENG_2_2" respectively.
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4
*default delete use-rel-suffix

# If your network link is a T1 or faster, comment out the following line.
*default compress

## Main Source Tree.
#
# The easiest way to get the main source tree is to use the "src-all"
# mega-collection.  It includes all of the individual "src-*" collections.
# Please note:  If you want to track -STABLE, leave this uncommented.
src-all

# These are the individual collections that make up "src-all".  If you
# use these, be sure to comment out "src

Re: ipfw question...

2004-03-19 Thread W. D.
At 12:40 3/19/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
>If you would
>like I can post my IPFW rules.  They are extemly simple for my SSH, POP3,
>SMTP, NTP, IMAP, BIND8 setup...

Please do!  Could you also include plain English comments as well?
There are a number of people that find these rules confusing.  Some
well documented descriptions would be very helpful.

Thanks!

Start Here to Find It Fast!™ -> http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/

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Re: ld-elf, libkvm out of sync, can't build ports

2004-03-19 Thread mario

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  I looked over my supfile and it is absolutly generic, but just to be
> sure
> I'm going to get the latest one in /usr/share. The one I have been using
> is included below.

> # IMPORTANT: Change the next line to use one of the CVSup mirror sites #
> listed at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors.html.
> *default host=cvsup13.FreeBSD.org
i'm not sure whether this just affected me, but i remember having
problems with cvsup13 a while ago and switched to another one.


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Best port for mail stats

2004-03-19 Thread Leo Lapousterle
Hi all :)

I'm using mailgraph-1.7 actually, and I was wondering if there was a better
port to elaborate that kind of statistics, because I found mailgraph weird
and not easily readable... maybe too complex.

Every advice would be welcome :)


-- 
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drive / IDE controller questions

2004-03-19 Thread Joey Mingrone
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Hi,

I've been having problems with my western digital drive 
(http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=24) for about a year.  
I've posted messages about this before, but I have some new information that 
may be relevant.  

The problem started out when I would randomly hear the drive restarting.  It 
would make a high pitch sound that would increase in pitch and last a second 
or two (The same sound the drive makes when you power on the system).  
Messages similar to the ones below would also appear in /var/log/messages:

ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting
/kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. ata0-slave: ATA identify retries exceeded

ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting

At first, these drive resets would only happen once or twice and everything 
would go back to normal.  Eventually they would happen over and over until 
the system became unusable and wouldn't boot up even after running fsck in 
singal user mode with all the partitions unmount or mounted read only.  I 
found a temporary solution was to run the western digital diagnostic tools 
and then run fsck.  I would usually have a small amount of data 
corruption/loss but the system would be usable again.  Things would be fine 
for a week or longer, but the problem would eventually reappear.  Finally I 
contacted WD and they sent me a replacement drive (It was the same model, but 
a refurbished drive that I'm guessing was sent back by someone else).  After 
a few tries I managed to get dd to copy the contents of the old drive to the 
new drive and for quite some time everything was great.  But, the other day 
the new drive began to have the same problem as the old one.

So now, I'm guessing the problem may lie with the controller on the main board 
(http://usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7v266-e/overview.htm).

My main board has the optional raid controller.  Would it be possible to use 
that controller with my current drive, or would the secondary controller be a 
better solution?

Other notes:

I've tried a few different IDE cables.
I don't think it has anything to do with the OS since the resets have happened 
before the OS starts to boot and in the BIOS.

I've included a uname -a, dmesg output and my kernel config file below.  Any 
tips would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Joey

uname -a: 
FreeBSD *hostname* 4.9-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Feb  9 
03:08:50 AST 2004 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_CONFIG_2004-02-09  i386

dmesg:
Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Feb  9 03:08:50 AST 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/2004-02-09
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP1600+ (1410.21-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x662  Stepping = 2
  
Features=0x383f9ff
  AMD Features=0xc048
real memory  = 536788992 (524208K bytes)
avail memory = 518852608 (506692K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0364000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc036409c.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
Using $PIR table, 10 entries at 0xc00f1480
apm0:  on motherboard
apm0: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0:  on motherboard
pci0:  on pcib0
agp0:  mem 0xf800-0xfbff at device 0.0 
on pci0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pci1:  at 0.0 irq 11
atapci0:  port 
0xb400-0xb43f,0xb800-0xb803,0xd000-0xd007,0xd400-0xd403,0xd800-0xd807 mem 
0xf380-0xf381 irq 5 at device 6.0 on pci0
ata2: at 0xd800 on atapci0
ata3: at 0xd000 on atapci0
pcm0:  port 0xb000-0xb01f irq 10 at device 15.0 on pci0
pcm0: 
rl0:  port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xf300-0xf3ff 
irq 5 at device 16.0 on pci0
rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:4c:00:30:22
miibus0:  on rl0
rlphy0:  on miibus0
rlphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
isab0:  at device 17.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci1:  port 0xa000-0xa00f irq 0 at device 17.1 
on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci1
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci1
uhci0:  port 0x9800-0x981f irq 5 at device 17.2 on 
pci0
usb0:  on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1:  port 0x9400-0x941f irq 5 at device 17.3 on 
pci0
usb1:  on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2:  port 0x9000-0x901f irq 5 at device 17.4 on 
pci0
usb2:  on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
orm0:  at iomem 0xcc000-0xc on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
fdc0:  at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes thr

RE: 5.1 & mysql problem - solved

2004-03-19 Thread Darryl Hoar
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: 5.1 & mysql problem
> 
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >I installed Freebsd 5.1-release.
> > >
> > >I then installed lynx from the ports system
> > >without problem.
> > >
> > >I then installed apache13 from ports without
> > >problem.
> > >
> > >When I tried to install mysql323-client.  I did
> > >this by cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql323-client.
> > >I then did a make.  It trundled away for a while,
> > >and eventually errored out.
> > >
> > >configure: error: Your compiler cannot convert a 
> > >longlong value to a float!
> > >
> > >I tried to install mysql323-server but it errored
> > >out the same way.
> > >
> > >Any ideas why it won't compile ?  I checked the
> > >version of gcc the system is using, and the 
> > >man page say gcc-3.2.1.
> > >  
> > >
> > Do you have to use mysql323-client? Did you tried the newest mysql 
> > client from the newest port tree?
> > 
> I was trying to install mysql323-client on a machine.  I 
> wanted the same
> mysql version as what is on my production box.  So, I'd prefer not to
> install mysql40-client.
> 
> thanks,
> Darryl

After some googling, I found the following solution:
1.  cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql323-client
2.  rm -rf work
3.  make extract
4.  vi work/mysql-3.23.56/config
find longlong.
in the function that follows, change close to fclose.
save file.
5.  make
6.  make install

works like a champ.  Seems to be a bug in the config script.

thanks,
Darryl
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Re: drive / IDE controller questions

2004-03-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been having problems with my western digital drive 
> (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=24) for about a year.  
> I've posted messages about this before, but I have some new information that 
> may be relevant.  
> 
> The problem started out when I would randomly hear the drive restarting.  It 
> would make a high pitch sound that would increase in pitch and last a second 
> or two (The same sound the drive makes when you power on the system).  
> Messages similar to the ones below would also appear in /var/log/messages:
> 
> ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting
> /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. ata0-slave: ATA identify retries exceeded
> 
> ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting
> 
> At first, these drive resets would only happen once or twice and everything 
> would go back to normal.  Eventually they would happen over and over until 
> the system became unusable and wouldn't boot up even after running fsck in 
> singal user mode with all the partitions unmount or mounted read only.  I 
> found a temporary solution was to run the western digital diagnostic tools 
> and then run fsck.  I would usually have a small amount of data 
> corruption/loss but the system would be usable again.  Things would be fine 
> for a week or longer, but the problem would eventually reappear.  Finally I 
> contacted WD and they sent me a replacement drive (It was the same model, but 
> a refurbished drive that I'm guessing was sent back by someone else).  After 
> a few tries I managed to get dd to copy the contents of the old drive to the 
> new drive and for quite some time everything was great.  But, the other day 
> the new drive began to have the same problem as the old one.
> 
> So now, I'm guessing the problem may lie with the controller on the main board 
> (http://usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7v266-e/overview.htm).

Another early guess might also be overheating problems.  I am not sure how
you would check other than trying to make it cooler.

jerry

> 
> My main board has the optional raid controller.  Would it be possible to use 
> that controller with my current drive, or would the secondary controller be a 
> better solution?
> 
> Other notes:
> 
> I've tried a few different IDE cables.
> I don't think it has anything to do with the OS since the resets have happened 
> before the OS starts to boot and in the BIOS.
> 
> I've included a uname -a, dmesg output and my kernel config file below.  Any 
> tips would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joey
> 
> uname -a: 
> FreeBSD *hostname* 4.9-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Feb  9 
> 03:08:50 AST 2004 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_CONFIG_2004-02-09  i386
> 
> dmesg:
> Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project.
> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
> FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Feb  9 03:08:50 AST 2004
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/2004-02-09
> Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
> CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP1600+ (1410.21-MHz 686-class CPU)
>   Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x662  Stepping = 2
>   
> Features=0x383f9ff
>   AMD Features=0xc048
> real memory  = 536788992 (524208K bytes)
> avail memory = 518852608 (506692K bytes)
> Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0364000.
> Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc036409c.
> Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
> md0: Malloc disk
> Using $PIR table, 10 entries at 0xc00f1480
> apm0:  on motherboard
> apm0: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2
> npx0:  on motherboard
> npx0: INT 16 interface
> pcib0:  on motherboard
> pci0:  on pcib0
> agp0:  mem 0xf800-0xfbff at device 0.0 
> on pci0
> pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
> pci1:  on pcib1
> pci1:  at 0.0 irq 11
> atapci0:  port 
> 0xb400-0xb43f,0xb800-0xb803,0xd000-0xd007,0xd400-0xd403,0xd800-0xd807 mem 
> 0xf380-0xf381 irq 5 at device 6.0 on pci0
> ata2: at 0xd800 on atapci0
> ata3: at 0xd000 on atapci0
> pcm0:  port 0xb000-0xb01f irq 10 at device 15.0 on pci0
> pcm0: 
> rl0:  port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xf300-0xf3ff 
> irq 5 at device 16.0 on pci0
> rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:4c:00:30:22
> miibus0:  on rl0
> rlphy0:  on miibus0
> rlphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> isab0:  at device 17.0 on pci0
> isa0:  on isab0
> atapci1:  port 0xa000-0xa00f irq 0 at device 17.1 
> on pci0
> ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci1
> ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci1
> uhci0:  port 0x9800-0x981f irq 5 at device 17.2 on 
> pci0
> usb0:  on uhci0
> usb0: USB revision 1.0
> uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> uhci1:  port 0x9400-0x941f irq 5 at device 17.3 on 
> pci0
> usb1:  on uhci1
> usb1: USB revision 1.0
> uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> uhci2:  p

Re: CMS on FreeBSD

2004-03-19 Thread Dan Rue
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:53:04PM -0500, Scott I. Remick wrote:
> I'm thinking about setting up a FreeBSD-based CMS/intranet and wanted to
> know what other people were doing.
> 
> I have a tiny bit of experience with PHP-Nuke because my webhost uses it.
> Although I have no real complaints about it, I am not wedded to it.
> 
> PHP-Nuke is in ports and was recently upgraded to 6.9 after stagnating at
> 6.0 for a long time. This makes me concerned that if I invested in it, and
> the need for an update came, I might be SOL for a while due to lack of a
> maintainer. As it is right now, it is marked FORBIDDEN due to a
> vulnerability with versions below 7.1.
> 
> Also, there seems to be a lot of hatred towards PHP-Nuke. I don't claim to
> understand it, but I can accept they might know something I don't. I do
> know that PHP is rather easy for me to work with, as I've tweaked many
> pages on my hosted site. I am also not turned away by the fact that
> PHP-Nuke depends on MySQL as I have used it with Bugzilla and it doesn't
> scare me.
> 
> Looking at other options, there comes Postnuke. Seems a pretty-popular
> close-relation to PHP-Nuke, however the version in ports seems 2+ years
> old. So there is the maintainership issue again. And a lot of people hate
> BOTH *Nukes, for perhaps good reasons I don't totally grasp, so there's
> that too.
> 
> Diverging a bit, I noticed Drupal. Currently in ports but broken.



Umm..  I don't know what other people think about this - but I really
never run any PHP stuff from ports.  It is easier, imo, to just download
the tgz and unzip it to the directory you want it in.  Since there's no
compiling, usually very little setup, it's just _easier_ and gives you
more control if you just do it yourself.  Of course, the cruddy thing
about that is updating.  

Therefore, the reason why I think the cms' in ports are old is because
most people don't port install them - it's just not worth it.  

Just follow the instructions that come with the PHP app - usually you'll
have to create a database in mysql for it to use.  The instructions are
usually really good with that stuff.  

As far as which cms to use, I'm currently undecided as well.  My boss
really likes drupal, and forces me to use it :)  Check out
opensourcecms.com - they showcase dozens of php cms' and let you try
them out.  

Good Luck - 
Dan
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Re: drive / IDE controller questions

2004-03-19 Thread Joey Mingrone
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>
> Another early guess might also be overheating problems.  I am not sure how
> you would check other than trying to make it cooler.
>
> jerry
>



Could be.. although I have almost always had the case open and I have two case 
fans.  The CPU temp is usually in the 40s or 50s C (not too bad for a 1.6GHz 
Athlon) and the memory is usually around 25C.  ..but maybe I'll try pointing 
a fan at it.

Thanks,

joey
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Re: drive / IDE controller questions

2004-03-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> >
> > Another early guess might also be overheating problems.  I am not sure how
> > you would check other than trying to make it cooler.
> >
> > jerry
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Could be.. although I have almost always had the case open and I have two case 
> fans.  The CPU temp is usually in the 40s or 50s C (not too bad for a 1.6GHz 
> Athlon) and the memory is usually around 25C.  ..but maybe I'll try pointing 
> a fan at it.

Actually, I mean the disk overheating.  They do that and they get worse
at it as they age too.

Also, some cases are designed to aid in the cooling and so with
the case open, the airflow is either not properly directed or it
doesn't get enough of a Bernouli or hydraulic effect, either of which 
is used to increase the air flow speed in critical areas.   Of course, 
if it is a generic case that is probably not a consideration.

jerry

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> joey
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Re: Zope

2004-03-19 Thread Chad Gross

I ran ./start -u root and that is the only way it
works. If I use any other user it gives permission
denied errors in the browser (when accessing on port
8080 and 8080/manage) or the following output on the
command line (when accessing the normal website on
port 80 which apache is rewriting for):

--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/Images'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/content'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFCalendar/skins/calendar'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFTopic/skins/topic'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/zpt_control'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _filtered_listdir
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/zpt_generic'
--
2004-03-19T15:11:37 ERROR(200) DirectoryView Error
during prepareContents:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 198, in getContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 215, in prepareContents
  File
/usr/local/www/Zope/lib/python/Products/CMFCore/DirectoryView.py,
line 47, in _fi

Re: CMS on FreeBSD

2004-03-19 Thread Scott I. Remick
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:05:45 -0600, Dan Rue wrote:
> 
> Umm..  I don't know what other people think about this - but I really
> never run any PHP stuff from ports.  It is easier, imo, to just download
> the tgz and unzip it to the directory you want it in.  Since there's no
> compiling, usually very little setup, it's just _easier_ and gives you
> more control if you just do it yourself.  Of course, the cruddy thing
> about that is updating.  
> 
> Therefore, the reason why I think the cms' in ports are old is because
> most people don't port install them - it's just not worth it.  

Ahh, I see. That would explain a lot, then. Makes sense.

> As far as which cms to use, I'm currently undecided as well.  My boss
> really likes drupal, and forces me to use it :)  

Drupal looks really nice. Do you have any thoughts on Drupal vs. Mambo?

> Check out
> opensourcecms.com - they showcase dozens of php cms' and let you try
> them out.  

Beat ya to it... I already stumbled across it just a short while ago and am
currently playing around. :)

Hmmm it occurred to me that one module/component I'd really be interested
in is some sort of organized (hierarchy) knowledgebase that is also
searchable.

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DVD R/W in FreeBSD?

2004-03-19 Thread Ed Alley
Does FreeBSD support ATA DVD writers the same way that it
supports CD writers? I have been to SOS's web page, and
have looked at hardware support info, but have found no hint at
whether ATA DVD writers are supported under FreeBSD.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ed Alley



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Pango/freetype

2004-03-19 Thread brad harder


  Sorry if this has been discussed before (I'd be surprised if it hasn't).

  I'm trying to build pango on my system (up-to-date 5.2.1), but it's choking (see 
below)... I see on archived mailing lists, people are discussing Freetype and Pango, 
and how _something_ isn't working, but I see no solutions for a fix.  Is there a fix 
for this?


"make" output in pango port:

gmake[3]: Entering directory 
`/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.2.5/pango/opentype'
/bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. 
-DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/usr/X11R6/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/X11R6/
ib\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -D_THREAD_SAFE 
-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/usr/X11R6/in
lude   -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include 
-I../..  -I/usr/local/include/freetype2  -I/usr/local/include/glib-2
0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/usr/local/include  -I/usr/X11R6/include  -O 
-pipe -march=pentiumpro -Wall -c pango-ot-info.c
 cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE 
-DSYSCONFDIR=\"/usr/X11R6/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/X11R6/lib\" -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED 
-DG_DIS
BLE_CAST_CHECKS -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -
/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../.. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 
-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/us
/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -Wall -c 
pango-ot-info.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/pango-ot-info.o
pango-ot-info.c:25:31: freetype/ftmodapi.h: No such file or directory
gmake[3]: *** [pango-ot-info.lo] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.2.5/pango/opentype'
gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.2.5/pango'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.2.5'
gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango.


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Re: CMS on FreeBSD

2004-03-19 Thread Dan Rue
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 03:25:17PM -0500, Scott I. Remick wrote:
> Drupal looks really nice. Do you have any thoughts on Drupal vs. Mambo?
I've used both, but neither very much.  I can only tell you that my boss
went from Mambo to Drupal - I guess he found it easier to hack on.
That's the thing - if you can find one you really like, and learn the
internals, you can use it for many differnet things.  It's so nice to be
able to throw up a fully functional website in an evening.

> Hmmm it occurred to me that one module/component I'd really be interested
> in is some sort of organized (hierarchy) knowledgebase that is also
> searchable.
This sounds like a wiki..
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki
http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/

Enjoy!
dan
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Re: CMS on FreeBSD

2004-03-19 Thread David Bear
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:53:04PM -0500, Scott I. Remick wrote:
> I'm thinking about setting up a FreeBSD-based CMS/intranet and wanted to
> know what other people were doing.

you should at least read through some of the material on zope. its
well maintained in the ports collection -- take a look at the zope cmf
and plone material

> I'm also concerned about Plone using its own webserver. I feel very good
> using Apache as I've a lot of experience with it, and I like the idea of
> delegating components to groups with that strength. I also don't know
> Python, but could try and learn if Plone was worth it.

most people run zope/cmf/plone in back of apache with mod_proxy and
rewrite..

> 
> What are other people doing for CMS on FreeBSD? Just how different is Plone
> from the *Nukes? Are there fundamental differences I need to understand?
> Can I do everything I want to with Plone without having to become a Python
> expert, code my own modules, etc? 

don't know anything about Nukes but Plone is very good.

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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Charles McManis
Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted 
thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able 
to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, 
"next message" jump to the bottom.

It comes down to opinion I think
--Chuck


On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&st
> >art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> > People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> > that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> > intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> > RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> > list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
>
> Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
> out refused to follow this logical norm.  Others simply follow the
> precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to
> delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread
> in the right direction.  For my part, my reply behavior depends on the
> audience.  One would think that a company with so many geeks (from
> developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.
>
> Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
> don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
> below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
> Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.
>
> I feel your pain dude.
>
> Lou

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Re: Vinum, replaced disk -- fsck error.

2004-03-19 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 19 March 2004 at  3:03:34 +, Lewis Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 01:26:02PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 16 March 2004 at 17:25:26 +, Lewis Thompson wrote:
>>> I can't think of anything else.  Originally I ran dd without the
>>> conv=noerror and it stopped at around 25GB (the disk is a 100GB).  The
>>> destination disk is 123GB but to my knowledge that is acceptable for dd.
>>>
>>>   During the process a number (maybe eight to ten) I/O errors were
>>> reported.
>>
>> But not to me.
>
> I've included more detailed errors neared to the end of this email :)
>
>> I was really thinking of "What to do if you have problems with Vinum"
>> at http://www.vinumvm.org/vinum/how-to-debug.html.
>
> Okay, I did actually do my best to follow this but maybe got
> sidetracked.  I'm just going to bullet point these now so I don't miss
> any of them out.
>
> * Problems: ``dd'' cloned disk ``does not work'' (i.e. gstat shows no
>   activity on the cloned disk during reading of files).

What command did you enter?  What happened on the command line?

> Also see previous emails.

You can't really expect me to go digging for them.

> * Changes to system: Originally vinum ran on 4.9-STABLE.  This worked
>   but had periodic ``disk crashes'' (i.e. vinum states disk as offline).
>   I don't think this is the problem as the same behaviour happens with
>   5.2.1-p1 using the original dodgy disk (only GEOM removes it instead
>   of vinum).

It looks like part of the problem to me.  It seems that you have a
flaky disk.  Is that correct?

> * Vinum list (excuse lack of wrapping).

On the contrary, it shouldn't be wrapped.

I don't see anything in this list that hasn't started.  Is it correct
that volume "data" only has one plex?

> * /var/log/messages extract.  I originally started vinum a long while
>   before, I included this entry too (excuse wrapping):
>
> Mar 17 23:33:57 amnesia kernel: vinum: loaded
> Mar 17 23:34:00 amnesia kernel: vinum: reading configuration from /dev/ad1s1h
> Mar 17 23:34:00 amnesia kernel: vinum: updating configuration from /dev/ad2s1h
> Mar 17 23:34:00 amnesia kernel: vinum: updating configuration from /dev/ad3s1h
> Mar 19 02:49:26 amnesia kernel: WARNING: /mnt/data was not properly dismounted
> Mar 19 02:52:15 amnesia kernel: vinum: null rqg
>
>   This seems a little odd to me -- previously I had not had a null rqg
> error.

This is certainly an interesting one.

> I think maybe I didn't test it enough.  Since these are mostly avi
> files I can tell if they are broken on not by seeing if they have an
> index -- last time they all played but many without indexes.
> Nothing has changed since then; maybe I wasn't being thorough
> enough?

I'm wondering if the problem isn't at least partially due to the flaky
disk.  The "null rqg" message indicates that a request couldn't be
mapped.  I'd really need a dump from this point, if the problem is
repeatable.  Let me know and I'll send you a patch.

>>>   During the process a number (maybe eight to ten) I/O errors were
>>> reported.
>
> These were dd errors.  I didn't write these down at the time (silly of
> me) and I'm not sure they even go into any log files.  However, I have
> found the exact error messages I got (although the offsets are wrong).
> If required I will re-run dd and provide the full errors.
>
>   The messages were:
>
> dd: reading `/dev/ad3': Input/output error

Hmm.  Why are you running against /dev/ad3?  Why are you using dd at
all?  In any case, I would expect error messages in /var/log/messages
at this point.

> In a reply to my original question you stated that ``dd if=ad3 of=ad1
> bs=8192 conv=noerror'' ``may or may not work, depending on details you
> haven't reported.''  Do these detailed errors help at all?

A little.  They tell me that the drive is flaky.  I'd expect to see
the error messages in /var/log/messages, though.

> I just read a thread[1] about dd that makes me wonder whether it
> would have been.

The only reference I see there is to the current thread.  At least it
gave me the background.

>   I think that's everything.  I'm just going to include some other stuff
> from earlier emails that has been chopped earlier.  Maybe it has some
> relevance:
>
> = fsck_ufs /dev/vinum/data gives the following message:
> = ** /dev/vinum/data
> = cannot alloc 4316869296 bytes for inphead

Yes, this is almost certainly due to incorrect copying.  Probably the
conv=noerror is to blame for that.

I suspect that, unless you can read the sections of the volume that
appear to be causing the fsck problems, you may be out of luck.  About
the only thing you could try is to mount the volume read-only without
fsck, and then copy what data you can elsewhere.

Greg
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Bob Collins
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004, Charles McManis clacked the keyboard to produce:
> Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted 
> thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able 
> to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, 
> "next message" jump to the bottom.
> 
> It comes down to opinion I think
> --Chuck
> 
> 
> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&st
> > >art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> > > People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> > > that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> > > intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> > > RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> > > list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
> >
> > Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
> > out refused to follow this logical norm.  Others simply follow the
> > precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to
> > delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread
> > in the right direction.  For my part, my reply behavior depends on the
> > audience.  One would think that a company with so many geeks (from
> > developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.
> >
> > Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
> > don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
> > below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
> > Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.
> >
> > I feel your pain dude.
> >
> > Lou
> 

[format broken, see above and then back down to here]

No, it is not logical. If everyone top-posts, the email must be read in
reverse to recapture thoughts of others or points made. If twleve people
reply properly and you reply the way your `opinion' tells you too, you
have broken the path or reading, by forcing people to jump to the bottom
to refresh the last message and then back to the top to get the latest
thoughts or info. It is also quite obnoxious to review such top-posters
threads that are intermixed when looking through the archives.

Finally, as pointed out previously, it does not follow convention. It is
much like Microsft `enhancing' an industry standard, which actually
breaks the standard.

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Re: which 8-port 10/100 hub is best?

2004-03-19 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Thursday, 18 March 2004 at 22:54:49 -0600, W. D. wrote:
> At 21:45 3/18/2004, Gary Kline, wrote:
>>
>>  People,
>>
>>  I'm upgrading my hub from a 5-port hub and thought I would check
>>  with this list to see if the Linksys EFAH08W is still a good
>>  deal.  If there is somethng other that would work equally well
>>  on my FreeBSD netwrk, please le me know.  (I've had good luck
>>  with Linksys, but have read some negative comments.)
>
> If there is a possibility that you will have some heavy traffic
> at times, the best hub is a switch!  You are likely to have
> less bandwidth wasting collisions during high traffic periods.

I'd put it more forcibly than that: hubs are obsolete.  You can find
switches for almost nothing nowadays; don't buy hubs.

And yes, I haven't checked whether the EFAH08W is a switch or a hub.
But I've never had problems with cheap switches, so I would tend to
buy by price.

Greg
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Al Johnson
I'm with you... Top-posting makes the most sense for me.

I was born to top-post.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 02:28:24PM -0800, Charles McManis wrote:
> Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted 
> thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able 
> to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, 
> "next message" jump to the bottom.
> 
> It comes down to opinion I think
> --Chuck
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Re: drive / IDE controller questions

2004-03-19 Thread Parv
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
wrote Joey Mingrone thusly...
>
> I've been having problems with my western digital drive 
> (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=24) for about a year.  

What that has to do w/ the thread discussing wget & proxy problem?
Above message was a *reply* to one of the messages in that thread.
It was quite a rude surprise.

People, kindly do not hijack a thread; start a new one.  Thanks for
your cooperation in future.


  - Parv

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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Joshua Lokken
* Bob Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-19 14:33]:
> > 
> > It comes down to opinion I think
> > --Chuck
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > > On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> > > >
> > > > RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> > > > list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel your pain dude.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > 
> 
> [format broken, see above and then back down to here]
> 
> No, it is not logical. If everyone top-posts, the email must be read in
> reverse to recapture thoughts of others or points made. If twleve people
> reply properly and you reply the way your `opinion' tells you too, you
> have broken the path or reading, by forcing people to jump to the bottom
> to refresh the last message and then back to the top to get the latest
> thoughts or info. It is also quite obnoxious to review such top-posters
> threads that are intermixed when looking through the archives.
> 
> Finally, as pointed out previously, it does not follow convention. It is
> much like Microsft `enhancing' an industry standard, which actually
> breaks the standard.
> 
> -- 
> Bob

Indeed.  Chuck, I'm not saying I'm going to stop reading your posts
because you don't want to follow convention/etiquette, but it appears
that the community at large does not feel the way you do.

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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> I'm with you... Top-posting makes the most sense for me.

No, it is like reading all the answers and then being handed
the questions.   I know some college students like to function
that way, but...
Top posting doesn't fit in to a naturally conversational style.

I occasionally top post when me response is a general comment and
not specific to any part of the question, but mostly responses in
where they make the most sense (hopefully).

jerry

> I was born to top-post.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 02:28:24PM -0800, Charles McManis wrote:
> > Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted 
> > thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able 
> > to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, 
> > "next message" jump to the bottom.
> > 
> > It comes down to opinion I think
> > --Chuck
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004, Charles McManis clacked the keyboard to produce:
> > Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted 
> > thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able 
> > to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, 
> > "next message" jump to the bottom.

Maybe, if you only have one thread to deal with.  But in any given day
I am seeing hundreds of messages from scores of threads.   Some precious
but out of context tidbit is easily orphaned and becomes meaningless.

jerry

> > 
> > It comes down to opinion I think
> > --Chuck
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > > On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&st
> > > >art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> > > > People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> > > > that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> > > > intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> > > > RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> > > > list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
> > >
> > > Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
> > > out refused to follow this logical norm.  Others simply follow the
> > > precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to
> > > delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread
> > > in the right direction.  For my part, my reply behavior depends on the
> > > audience.  One would think that a company with so many geeks (from
> > > developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
> > > don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
> > > below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
> > > Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.
> > >
> > > I feel your pain dude.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > 
> 
> [format broken, see above and then back down to here]
> 
> No, it is not logical. If everyone top-posts, the email must be read in
> reverse to recapture thoughts of others or points made. If twleve people
> reply properly and you reply the way your `opinion' tells you too, you
> have broken the path or reading, by forcing people to jump to the bottom
> to refresh the last message and then back to the top to get the latest
> thoughts or info. It is also quite obnoxious to review such top-posters
> threads that are intermixed when looking through the archives.
> 
> Finally, as pointed out previously, it does not follow convention. It is
> much like Microsft `enhancing' an industry standard, which actually
> breaks the standard.
> 
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Chris
On Friday 19 March 2004 04:28 pm, Charles McManis wrote:
> Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted
> thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able
> to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom,
> "next message" jump to the bottom.
>
> It comes down to opinion I think
> --Chuck


You top poster, you


> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&;
> > >st art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> > > People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> > > that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> > > intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> > > RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> > > list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
> >
> > Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
> > out refused to follow this logical norm.  Others simply follow the
> > precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to
> > delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread
> > in the right direction.  For my part, my reply behavior depends on the
> > audience.  One would think that a company with so many geeks (from
> > developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.
> >
> > Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
> > don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
> > below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
> > Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.
> >
> > I feel your pain dude.
> >
> > Lou
>
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Emachines M6805

2004-03-19 Thread finnegan
Hello,
I was wondering if there are any patches or plans to include support for the
emachines m6805 with the mobile amd76 processor?
I have tried installing via cd, but can't get passed boot, however I was
able to install gentoo.  Thankyou for your time.

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Re: problem with MySon Ethernet Nics

2004-03-19 Thread Olaf Hoyer
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, GiTi wrote:

> On Thursday 18 March 2004 18:09, Olaf Hoyer wrote:
>
> > Ok, do you have any Information about the chipset used on these?
> >
> > What is needed, is the dmesg output, at least those lines where the nic
> > is probed.
> >
> > should read something like:
> >
> > pci2:  foo bar
>
> dmesg print out something like:
>
> pci2:
>
>
> My Nics is:
> SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter
>
> i have tried to rebuilded the kernel and compiled its driver (basing on the
> instruction) into kernel several times but I have not succeeded
>
> It is said that freebsd 5.2 supported MySon Ethernet Nics and ... i am
> surprized . Maybe I have missed somthing?
> Please help me to solve this problem
>

Hi!

Well, do you mean with "compiled its driver" that they provide some own
driver?

Ok, in order to be able to help you, we  need at least a dmesg with the
card, and the _exact_ message, and also a pciconf -lv will be helpful.
Because of rebranding of network chips one can never be sure what
chip-revision you get with those relabelled products.

Please boot a kernel.GENERIC and post that dmesg.

HTH
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
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RFC 1855 violation, reordered.
Mutilated IRL.

On Friday, 19 March 2004 at 14:28:24 -0800, Charles McManis wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
>> On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>>>
>>> Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
>>> People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
>>> that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
>>> intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
>>> RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
>>> list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)
>>
>> Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
>> out refused to follow this logical norm.
>
> Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the
> quoted thread is just reference anyway.

I suppose it depends on your attention span.  There were three
paragraphs in this message, and I had to search for the relevant
section.  If you get 2,500 mail messages a day, you don't need this
extra work.  If you don't get 2,500 mail messages a day, you still
don't need this extra work.

In any case, I frequently see messages where the relationship between
the original and the reply is tenuous at best.  It seems that people
who use top-posting often don't go to the trouble to compare the reply
to what they are replying to (not surprising, since it's not nearby).
The result is that top-posted replies often miss the point.

>> Others simply follow the precedent set in any given thread, and
>> some few will go so far as to delete the trailing messages and try
>> to herd an already errant thread in the right direction.  For my
>> part, my reply behavior depends on the audience.  One would think
>> that a company with so many geeks (from developers to SW
>> architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.

Note that this paragraph is completely irrelevant to your reply (but
not to the thread).  Why leave it in to muddy the waters?

>> Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
>> don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
>> below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
>> Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.
>

> This is the "new stuff". I love being able to read mail in the
> preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, "next message"
> jump to the bottom.

Sorry, I don't understand this.

> It comes down to opinion I think

I suppose it comes down to attention to detail and an interest in
accurate communication.

>> I feel your pain dude.

Tell me about it.

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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 19 March 2004 at 17:53:09 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004, Charles McManis clacked the keyboard to produce:
>>> Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted
>>> thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able
>>> to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom,
>>> "next message" jump to the bottom.
>
> Maybe, if you only have one thread to deal with.  But in any given
> day I am seeing hundreds of messages from scores of threads.  Some
> precious but out of context tidbit is easily orphaned and becomes
> meaningless.

Of course, leaving extraneous text behind doesn't help either.
This message had 12 lines of relevant text and 70 of irrelevant text
(exceptionally, left behind as evidence; there's nothing below of any
further interest).  This makes people scroll all the way down just to
discover there's nothing there.

Greg

>
> jerry
>
>>>
>>> It comes down to opinion I think
>>> --Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
 On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&st
> art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>
>
>
> Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted.
> People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too)
> that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter-
> intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of
> RFC 1855.  Please, it has been requested from many users of this
> list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;)

 Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat
 out refused to follow this logical norm.  Others simply follow the
 precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to
 delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread
 in the right direction.  For my part, my reply behavior depends on the
 audience.  One would think that a company with so many geeks (from
 developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so.

 Bottom line, don't hold your breath.  Unfortunately, many mail clients
 don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it
 below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway.
 Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there.

 I feel your pain dude.

 Lou
>>>
>>
>> [format broken, see above and then back down to here]
>>
>> No, it is not logical. If everyone top-posts, the email must be read in
>> reverse to recapture thoughts of others or points made. If twleve people
>> reply properly and you reply the way your `opinion' tells you too, you
>> have broken the path or reading, by forcing people to jump to the bottom
>> to refresh the last message and then back to the top to get the latest
>> thoughts or info. It is also quite obnoxious to review such top-posters
>> threads that are intermixed when looking through the archives.
>>
>> Finally, as pointed out previously, it does not follow convention. It is
>> much like Microsft `enhancing' an industry standard, which actually
>> breaks the standard.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
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>> properly structured in a developmental program, children can blossom."
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Re: Top posting

2004-03-19 Thread Tillman Hodgson
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:35:06PM -0500, Al Johnson wrote:
> I'm with you... Top-posting makes the most sense for me.
> > It comes down to opinion I think

My standard response to top-posting:

 A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
 Q: Why is putting a reply at the top of the message frowned upon?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Top-posting may be an opinion, but RFC 1855 makes it _standard_ opinion.

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drive / IDE controller questions

2004-03-19 Thread Mark Terribile

[Jerry McAllister writes]
> {Joey Mingrone writes]

>> I've been having problems with my western digital drive ...
>> The problem started out when I would randomly hear the drive restarting.  It

>> would make a high pitch sound... (The same sound the drive makes when you 
>> power on the system).  ... Eventually they would happen over and over ...
>> So now, I'm guessing the problem may lie with the controller on the main
>> board 

>Another early guess might also be overheating problems.  I am not sure how
>you would check other than trying to make it cooler.

One way to check heating is to take the cover off and put your hand on the
drive.  If it's too hot for your comfort, it's probably too hot for the drive's
comfort.  You want to let the machine run and then remove the cover and check
it quickly; airflow changes when you take the cover(s) off.  If that's the
problem, an extra fan in the right place can work wonders.

Don't exonorate cables too quickly; they can block airflow, especially if they
sag over time, or get pulled about by airflow.

I'm not familiar with the WD utilities; do they do surface scans?  If not,
is it possible that there are problems that either the controllers or FreeBSD
cannot handle, and that these are occurring as certain blocks are put into
service?  (But that wouldn't explain the failure on two drives?)

Mark Terribile


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OT: Quiet SCSI drives?

2004-03-19 Thread Goodleaf, John M
I'm going to be doing some development work with a few databases in a
regulated environment. Needless to say, I need some serious storage for
running test versions. But for the reasons I won't bore you with, I'll want
them just to run on my workstation. So I need an oomph workstation with a
fair amount of storage. I'll build it myself so I can have my choice of
components. (I'm looking at dual Opteron!) 

Here's the thing. I'd prefer SCSI drives for their performance and
reliability but I can't stand the noise they tend to generate. Is anyone out
there acquainted with a SCSI model that runs fairly quietly? It doesn't have
to be the most blazingly fast model out there; I'm willing to sacrifice some
performance (though not reliability) for quiet. I do have to work near the
thing. Some noise is fine. It's the high-pitched squeal I get from the
drives in the server room that kills me.

Failing that, does anyone have experiences, positive or negative, with the
various drive-noise dampeners on the market?

Thanks,
J


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