Re: [Freedos-devel] 4DOS released as open source software
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:14 +, Bart Oldeman wrote: > On 11/13/06, Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rex Conn wrote: > > > > > The only restrictions I'd put on the source code is that it not be > > > > > used for > > > > > an OS other than FreeDOS or any commercial products without my > > > > > permission. > > This is a somewhat nasty term that makes it not "Open Source". Technically, this still makes it "open source" but definitely not "free". OSI would likely disagree, but I am using the general definition of "open source" here. > I get the impression that what he really tries to prevent is that > someone creates a competitor for 4NT using the 4DOS source code. It's > a bit like Open Motif in that respect, you can look that up... and > Fedora Core 6 doesn't have that any more because of legal concerns. > > In any case, this means that FreeCOM hasn't suddenly become obsolete > (a dosemu-freedos package with 4DOS wouldn't get past the license > checks of many distributions). Yes, I think that is the intention here - Rex doesn't want someone to take his 4DOS code and create a commercial competitor to his 4NT product. Hence his restriction that the code not be used for any OS other than FreeDOS. I agree that FreeCOM definitely is still the preferred command.com shell for FreeDOS. I try to make sure we have GNU GPL (or similarly "free" software) in the "Base" category of the FreeDOS software list, just so FreeDOS can be included in Linux distros. These license terms for 4DOS mean 4DOS can only be included in our "Util" set. -jh - SF.net email is sponsored by: A Better Job is Waiting for You - Find it Now. Check out Slashdot's new job board. Browse through tons of technical jobs posted by companies looking to hire people just like you. http://jobs.slashdot.org/ ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] 4DOS released as open source software
Hi! 13-Ноя-2006 19:20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BC> Hi. Not to be a party pooper, but why not use OW + _WASM_ as WASM is BC> closer to MASM than NASM... WASM is non-separated, (almost) non-maintained product, with floating properties, which tend time to time strive to achieve MASM compatibility. Ie., this is back-end/additional tool for OW package, but I doubt that real project should rely on it. There is another free(dom) assembler - fasm (Flat Assembler). I don't know it (well) and its advanced features (including macros) are incompatible with no-one (though, they looks really very advanced), but some name it as NASM successor. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] 4DOS released as open source software
On 11/13/06, Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rex Conn wrote: > > > > The only restrictions I'd put on the source code is that it not be used > > > > for > > > > an OS other than FreeDOS or any commercial products without my > > > > permission. This is a somewhat nasty term that makes it not "Open Source". Looking it up, ; (2) The Software, or any portion of it, may not be compiled for use on any ; operating system OTHER than FreeDOS without written permission from ; Rex Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Strictly spoken that would mean that there needs to be a check with int21/ax=3000 to return bh=0xfd, because otherwise the compiled version will automatically run on any other DOS as well. I get the impression that what he really tries to prevent is that someone creates a competitor for 4NT using the 4DOS source code. It's a bit like Open Motif in that respect, you can look that up... and Fedora Core 6 doesn't have that any more because of legal concerns. In any case, this means that FreeCOM hasn't suddenly become obsolete (a dosemu-freedos package with 4DOS wouldn't get past the license checks of many distributions). > This will require some work to compile, especially if you want to use > OpenWatcom and NASM instead of the original MSVC and MASM. Sure, with a few 100K of ASM code, this is not a trivial task. Bart - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] 4DOS released as open source software
Kudos to Rex Conn and JP Software! 4DOS was always the program that made running MS DOS tolerable. The feature I most liked was the ability to use page-up to work back through pages of previous commands until I reached the one I needed - I wish bash had such a feature - ctrl-r doesn't work as well as that. Wesley Parish Quoting Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you are like me, you have used (or are using) the 4DOS command > shell. > 4DOS was my favorite DOS app. Back in the day, my DOS development > system was guaranteed to have at least one C compiler, a cool editor > for > writing code, and a copy of 4DOS to make the command line easier to > use. > I still run a copy of 4DOS on my FreeDOS system. > > Some of you have asked about 4DOS, and Rex Conn (JP Software, creator > of > 4DOS) had previously agreed to release 4DOS 7.50 as unsupported > freeware > in August 2004. Recently, I approached Rex to ask if he would release > 4DOS under an open source license. Rex agreed! > > > > > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:53 -0500, Rex Conn wrote: > > > > Hi Jim: > > > > [...] > > > > I'm enclosing a zip of the 4DOS source as of version 7.50 (the > final > > > > version). I've removed the non-DOS code from the source, though I > haven't > > > > tried compiling it (I don't have the MSVC 1.51 compiler anymore, > nor the > > > > MASM assembler). > > > > > > > > The only restrictions I'd put on the source code is that it not be > used for > > > > an OS other than FreeDOS or any commercial products without my > permission. > > > > > > > > Rex Conn > > > > JP Software > > > > > > > The source to 4DOS (less a few non-DOS things) is now available from > ibiblio, distributed under a modified MIT license (the additions are > mentioned in Rex's email, above.) See the readme.txt in the zip file > for the license terms, also in each *.c, *.h, and *.asm source file. > > This will require some work to compile, especially if you want to use > OpenWatcom and NASM instead of the original MSVC and MASM. However, > since the source is now available for FreeDOS developers, feel free to > make the changes necessary to get it to compile. > > The new zip file archive is labeled "7.50.1" to distinguish itself from > the previous "7.50" release. Find it at: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/4dos/7.50.1/4dos7501.zip > > > I'm really glad that Rex was able to release 4DOS as open source > software. This is a big step. HUGE THANKS to Rex! :-) > > > -jh > > > -- > --- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, > security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache > Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net /lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] 4DOS released as open source software
Hi. Not to be a party pooper, but why not use OW + _WASM_ as WASM is closer to MASM than NASM... On 11/13/06, Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are like me, you have used (or are using) the 4DOS command shell. > 4DOS was my favorite DOS app. Back in the day, my DOS development > system was guaranteed to have at least one C compiler, a cool editor for > writing code, and a copy of 4DOS to make the command line easier to use. > I still run a copy of 4DOS on my FreeDOS system. > > Some of you have asked about 4DOS, and Rex Conn (JP Software, creator of > 4DOS) had previously agreed to release 4DOS 7.50 as unsupported freeware > in August 2004. Recently, I approached Rex to ask if he would release > 4DOS under an open source license. Rex agreed! > > > > > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:53 -0500, Rex Conn wrote: > > > > Hi Jim: > > > > [...] > > > > I'm enclosing a zip of the 4DOS source as of version 7.50 (the final > > > > version). I've removed the non-DOS code from the source, though I > haven't > > > > tried compiling it (I don't have the MSVC 1.51 compiler anymore, nor > the > > > > MASM assembler). > > > > > > > > The only restrictions I'd put on the source code is that it not be > used for > > > > an OS other than FreeDOS or any commercial products without my > permission. > > > > > > > > Rex Conn > > > > JP Software > > > > > > > The source to 4DOS (less a few non-DOS things) is now available from > ibiblio, distributed under a modified MIT license (the additions are > mentioned in Rex's email, above.) See the readme.txt in the zip file > for the license terms, also in each *.c, *.h, and *.asm source file. > > This will require some work to compile, especially if you want to use > OpenWatcom and NASM instead of the original MSVC and MASM. However, > since the source is now available for FreeDOS developers, feel free to > make the changes necessary to get it to compile. > > The new zip file archive is labeled "7.50.1" to distinguish itself from > the previous "7.50" release. Find it at: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/4dos/7.50.1/4dos7501.zip > > > I'm really glad that Rex was able to release 4DOS as open source > software. This is a big step. HUGE THANKS to Rex! :-) > > > -jh > > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
[Freedos-devel] 4DOS released as open source software
If you are like me, you have used (or are using) the 4DOS command shell. 4DOS was my favorite DOS app. Back in the day, my DOS development system was guaranteed to have at least one C compiler, a cool editor for writing code, and a copy of 4DOS to make the command line easier to use. I still run a copy of 4DOS on my FreeDOS system. Some of you have asked about 4DOS, and Rex Conn (JP Software, creator of 4DOS) had previously agreed to release 4DOS 7.50 as unsupported freeware in August 2004. Recently, I approached Rex to ask if he would release 4DOS under an open source license. Rex agreed! > > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:53 -0500, Rex Conn wrote: > > > Hi Jim: > > > [...] > > > I'm enclosing a zip of the 4DOS source as of version 7.50 (the final > > > version). I've removed the non-DOS code from the source, though I haven't > > > tried compiling it (I don't have the MSVC 1.51 compiler anymore, nor the > > > MASM assembler). > > > > > > The only restrictions I'd put on the source code is that it not be used > > > for > > > an OS other than FreeDOS or any commercial products without my permission. > > > > > > Rex Conn > > > JP Software > > > The source to 4DOS (less a few non-DOS things) is now available from ibiblio, distributed under a modified MIT license (the additions are mentioned in Rex's email, above.) See the readme.txt in the zip file for the license terms, also in each *.c, *.h, and *.asm source file. This will require some work to compile, especially if you want to use OpenWatcom and NASM instead of the original MSVC and MASM. However, since the source is now available for FreeDOS developers, feel free to make the changes necessary to get it to compile. The new zip file archive is labeled "7.50.1" to distinguish itself from the previous "7.50" release. Find it at: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/4dos/7.50.1/4dos7501.zip I'm really glad that Rex was able to release 4DOS as open source software. This is a big step. HUGE THANKS to Rex! :-) -jh - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
