Re: [Freevo-users] TV Questions
I configured my channels using the following, but I'm still getting the channels out of order, am I missing anything?? TV_CHANNELS = [ ( 'I11299.labs.zap2it.com', '2 WBBM', '2' ), ( 'I11461.labs.zap2it.com', '4 WGBO', '4' ), ( 'I11670.labs.zap2it.com', '5 WMAQ', '5' ), ( 'I22219.labs.zap2it.com', '6 GOAC006', '6' ), ( 'I11653.labs.zap2it.com', '7 WLS', '7' ), ( 'I11795.labs.zap2it.com', '8 WPWR', '8' ), ( 'I11474.labs.zap2it.com', '9 WGN', '9' ), ( 'I11347.labs.zap2it.com', '10 WCIU', '10' ), ( 'I11908.labs.zap2it.com', '11 WTTW', '11' ), ( 'I11438.labs.zap2it.com', '12 WFLD', '12' ), ( 'I18734.labs.zap2it.com', '13 WCPX', '13' ), ( 'I11848.labs.zap2it.com', '14 WSNS', '14' ), ( 'I12382.labs.zap2it.com', '15 WXFT', '15' ), ( 'I12475.labs.zap2it.com', '16 WJYS', '16' ), ( 'I22132.labs.zap2it.com', '18 EDAC018', '18' ), ( 'I23494.labs.zap2it.com', '19 PUAC019', '19' ), ( 'I12009.labs.zap2it.com', '20 WYCC', '20' ), ( 'I12014.labs.zap2it.com', '21 WYIN', '21' ), ( 'I10161.labs.zap2it.com', '23 CSPAN', '23' ), ( 'I16331.labs.zap2it.com', '24 ANIMAL', '24' ), ( 'I7.labs.zap2it.com', '25 CSNCH', '25' ), ( 'I16374.labs.zap2it.com', '26 FNC', '26' ), ( 'I21484.labs.zap2it.com', '27 OXYGEN', '27' ), ( 'I11163.labs.zap2it.com', '28 SPIKETV', '28' ), ( 'I10986.labs.zap2it.com', '29 MTV', '29' ), ( 'I11218.labs.zap2it.com', '30 VH1', '30' ), ( 'I11207.labs.zap2it.com', '31 USA', '31' ), ( 'I10179.labs.zap2it.com', '33 ESPN', '33' ), ( 'I12444.labs.zap2it.com', '34 ESPN2', '34' ), ( 'I10145.labs.zap2it.com', '35 CNNH', '35' ), ( 'I10142.labs.zap2it.com', '36 CNN', '36' ), ( 'I12285.labs.zap2it.com', '37 CLTV', '37' ), ( 'I10139.labs.zap2it.com', '38 CNBC', '38' ), ( 'I11187.labs.zap2it.com', '39 TWC', '39' ), ( 'I10035.labs.zap2it.com', '40 AETV', '40' ), ( 'I10021.labs.zap2it.com', '41 AMC', '41' ), ( 'I10149.labs.zap2it.com', '42 COMEDY', '42' ), ( 'I10989.labs.zap2it.com', '43 E', '43' ), ( 'I14899.labs.zap2it.com', '44 GOLF', '44' ), ( 'I10918.labs.zap2it.com', '45 LIFE', '45' ), ( 'I11006.labs.zap2it.com', '46 NIK', '46' ), ( 'I12131.labs.zap2it.com', '47 TOON', '47' ), ( 'I11150.labs.zap2it.com', '48 DSC', '48' ), ( 'I11164.labs.zap2it.com', '49 TNT', '49' ), ( 'I11867.labs.zap2it.com', '50 TBS', '50' ), ( 'I10093.labs.zap2it.com', '51 FAM', '51' ), ( 'I11158.labs.zap2it.com', '52 TLC', '52' ), ( 'I14902.labs.zap2it.com', '53 HGTV', '53' ), ( 'I10171.labs.zap2it.com', '54 DISN', '54' ), ( 'I11069.labs.zap2it.com', '56 QVC', '56' ), ( 'I14321.labs.zap2it.com', '58 FX', '58' ), ( 'I16300.labs.zap2it.com', '59 MSNBC', '59' ), ( 'I12574.labs.zap2it.com', '60 FOOD', '60' ), ( 'I10183.labs.zap2it.com', '62 EWTN', '62' ), ( 'I16715.labs.zap2it.com', '63 TVGN', '63' ), ( 'I11180.labs.zap2it.com', '64 TRAV', '64' ), ( 'I15952.labs.zap2it.com', '65 VERSUS', '65' ), ( 'I10051.labs.zap2it.com', '66 BET', '66' ), ( 'I11341.labs.zap2it.com', '67 TLNCHIC', '67' ), ( 'I16011.labs.zap2it.com', '72 SPEED', '72' ), ( 'I16123.labs.zap2it.com', '73 TVLAND', '73' ), ( 'I10057.labs.zap2it.com', '74 BRAVO', '74' ), ( 'I14771.labs.zap2it.com', '76 HISTORY', '76' ), ( 'I12852.labs.zap2it.com', '78 TCM', '78' ), ( 'I10269.labs.zap2it.com', '96 HSN', '96' ), ( 'I53418.labs.zap2it.com', '100 COMCST', '100' ) ] Thanks, Michael On Jan 31, 2008 12:30 AM, Duncan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Labowicz said the following, on 31/01/2008 03:38: I was browsing through the list archives and found this email covering a similar problem that I just started experiencing. I recently switched my listings from broadcast to cable, deleted all the files mentioned in this chain and re-downloaded my TV.xml file. The TV sort script was activated by freevo and seems to be working, but I'm still getting the channels in alphabetical order in my tv guide instead of sequential order. My previous setup was working fine before... Am I missing a file somewhere? The TV channels should be shown in the order of the TV_CHANNELS from local_conf.py. The tv_sort of TV.xml only makes sure that the xml data is sorted so that the programme list is in chronological order. Duncan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
Re: [Freevo-users] TV Questions
Maybe this is a silly question, but you did delete the /var/cache/freevo/xmltv_channels.pickle file after adding these into local_config, right? Greg KCMO On Feb 1, 2008 10:45 AM, Michael Labowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I configured my channels using the following, but I'm still getting the channels out of order, am I missing anything?? TV_CHANNELS = [ ( 'I11299.labs.zap2it.com http://i11299.labs.zap2it.com/', '2 WBBM', '2' ), ( 'I11461.labs.zap2it.com http://i11461.labs.zap2it.com/', '4 WGBO', '4' ), ( 'I11670.labs.zap2it.com http://i11670.labs.zap2it.com/', '5 WMAQ', '5' ), ( 'I22219.labs.zap2it.com http://i22219.labs.zap2it.com/', '6 GOAC006', '6' ), ( 'I11653.labs.zap2it.com http://i11653.labs.zap2it.com/', '7 WLS', '7' ), ( 'I11795.labs.zap2it.com http://i11795.labs.zap2it.com/', '8 WPWR', '8' ), ( 'I11474.labs.zap2it.com http://i11474.labs.zap2it.com/', '9 WGN', '9' ), ( 'I11347.labs.zap2it.com http://i11347.labs.zap2it.com/', '10 WCIU', '10' ), ( 'I11908.labs.zap2it.com http://i11908.labs.zap2it.com/', '11 WTTW', '11' ), ( 'I11438.labs.zap2it.com http://i11438.labs.zap2it.com/', '12 WFLD', '12' ), ( 'I18734.labs.zap2it.com http://i18734.labs.zap2it.com/', '13 WCPX', '13' ), ( 'I11848.labs.zap2it.com http://i11848.labs.zap2it.com/', '14 WSNS', '14' ), ( 'I12382.labs.zap2it.com http://i12382.labs.zap2it.com/', '15 WXFT', '15' ), ( 'I12475.labs.zap2it.com http://i12475.labs.zap2it.com/', '16 WJYS', '16' ), ( 'I22132.labs.zap2it.com http://i22132.labs.zap2it.com/', '18 EDAC018', '18' ), ( 'I23494.labs.zap2it.com http://i23494.labs.zap2it.com/', '19 PUAC019', '19' ), ( 'I12009.labs.zap2it.com http://i12009.labs.zap2it.com/', '20 WYCC', '20' ), ( 'I12014.labs.zap2it.com http://i12014.labs.zap2it.com/', '21 WYIN', '21' ), ( 'I10161.labs.zap2it.com http://i10161.labs.zap2it.com/', '23 CSPAN', '23' ), ( 'I16331.labs.zap2it.com http://i16331.labs.zap2it.com/', '24 ANIMAL', '24' ), ( 'I7.labs.zap2it.com http://i7.labs.zap2it.com/', '25 CSNCH', '25' ), ( 'I16374.labs.zap2it.com http://i16374.labs.zap2it.com/', '26 FNC', '26' ), ( 'I21484.labs.zap2it.com http://i21484.labs.zap2it.com/', '27 OXYGEN', '27' ), ( 'I11163.labs.zap2it.com http://i11163.labs.zap2it.com/', '28 SPIKETV', '28' ), ( 'I10986.labs.zap2it.com http://i10986.labs.zap2it.com/', '29 MTV', '29' ), ( 'I11218.labs.zap2it.com http://i11218.labs.zap2it.com/', '30 VH1', '30' ), ( 'I11207.labs.zap2it.com http://i11207.labs.zap2it.com/', '31 USA', '31' ), ( 'I10179.labs.zap2it.com http://i10179.labs.zap2it.com/', '33 ESPN', '33' ), ( 'I12444.labs.zap2it.com http://i12444.labs.zap2it.com/', '34 ESPN2', '34' ), ( 'I10145.labs.zap2it.com http://i10145.labs.zap2it.com/', '35 CNNH', '35' ), ( 'I10142.labs.zap2it.com http://i10142.labs.zap2it.com/', '36 CNN', '36' ), ( 'I12285.labs.zap2it.com http://i12285.labs.zap2it.com/', '37 CLTV', '37' ), ( 'I10139.labs.zap2it.com http://i10139.labs.zap2it.com/', '38 CNBC', '38' ), ( 'I11187.labs.zap2it.com http://i11187.labs.zap2it.com/', '39 TWC', '39' ), ( 'I10035.labs.zap2it.com http://i10035.labs.zap2it.com/', '40 AETV', '40' ), ( 'I10021.labs.zap2it.com http://i10021.labs.zap2it.com/', '41 AMC', '41' ), ( 'I10149.labs.zap2it.com http://i10149.labs.zap2it.com/', '42 COMEDY', '42' ), ( 'I10989.labs.zap2it.com http://i10989.labs.zap2it.com/', '43 E', '43' ), ( 'I14899.labs.zap2it.com http://i14899.labs.zap2it.com/', '44 GOLF', '44' ), ( 'I10918.labs.zap2it.com http://i10918.labs.zap2it.com/', '45 LIFE', '45' ), ( 'I11006.labs.zap2it.com http://i11006.labs.zap2it.com/', '46 NIK', '46' ), ( 'I12131.labs.zap2it.com http://i12131.labs.zap2it.com/', '47 TOON', '47' ), ( 'I11150.labs.zap2it.com http://i11150.labs.zap2it.com/', '48 DSC', '48' ), ( 'I11164.labs.zap2it.com http://i11164.labs.zap2it.com/', '49 TNT', '49' ), ( 'I11867.labs.zap2it.com http://i11867.labs.zap2it.com/', '50 TBS', '50' ), ( 'I10093.labs.zap2it.com http://i10093.labs.zap2it.com/', '51 FAM', '51' ), ( 'I11158.labs.zap2it.com http://i11158.labs.zap2it.com/', '52 TLC', '52' ), ( 'I14902.labs.zap2it.com http://i14902.labs.zap2it.com/', '53 HGTV', '53' ), ( 'I10171.labs.zap2it.com http://i10171.labs.zap2it.com/', '54 DISN', '54' ), ( 'I11069.labs.zap2it.com http://i11069.labs.zap2it.com/', '56 QVC', '56' ), ( 'I14321.labs.zap2it.com http://i14321.labs.zap2it.com/', '58 FX', '58' ), ( 'I16300.labs.zap2it.com http://i16300.labs.zap2it.com/', '59 MSNBC', '59' ), ( 'I12574.labs.zap2it.com http://i12574.labs.zap2it.com/', '60 FOOD', '60' ), ( 'I10183.labs.zap2it.com http://i10183.labs.zap2it.com/', '62 EWTN', '62' ), ( 'I16715.labs.zap2it.com http://i16715.labs.zap2it.com/', '63 TVGN', '63' ), (
Re: [Freevo-users] TV Questions
Yes. I deleted the file, but I realized that I had to refresh my TV.xmllistings to get everything in order again. Thanks! Michael On Feb 1, 2008 11:18 AM, Greg Mischel Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is a silly question, but you did delete the /var/cache/freevo/xmltv_channels.pickle file after adding these into local_config, right? Greg KCMO On Feb 1, 2008 10:45 AM, Michael Labowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I configured my channels using the following, but I'm still getting the channels out of order, am I missing anything?? TV_CHANNELS = [ ( 'I11299.labs.zap2it.com http://i11299.labs.zap2it.com/', '2 WBBM', '2' ), ( 'I11461.labs.zap2it.com http://i11461.labs.zap2it.com/', '4 WGBO', '4' ), ( 'I11670.labs.zap2it.com http://i11670.labs.zap2it.com/', '5 WMAQ', '5' ), ( 'I22219.labs.zap2it.com http://i22219.labs.zap2it.com/', '6 GOAC006', '6' ), ( 'I11653.labs.zap2it.com http://i11653.labs.zap2it.com/', '7 WLS', '7' ), ( 'I11795.labs.zap2it.com http://i11795.labs.zap2it.com/', '8 WPWR', '8' ), ( 'I11474.labs.zap2it.com http://i11474.labs.zap2it.com/', '9 WGN', '9' ), ( 'I11347.labs.zap2it.com http://i11347.labs.zap2it.com/', '10 WCIU', '10' ), ( 'I11908.labs.zap2it.com http://i11908.labs.zap2it.com/', '11 WTTW', '11' ), ( 'I11438.labs.zap2it.com http://i11438.labs.zap2it.com/', '12 WFLD', '12' ), ( 'I18734.labs.zap2it.com http://i18734.labs.zap2it.com/', '13 WCPX', '13' ), ( 'I11848.labs.zap2it.com http://i11848.labs.zap2it.com/', '14 WSNS', '14' ), ( 'I12382.labs.zap2it.com http://i12382.labs.zap2it.com/', '15 WXFT', '15' ), ( 'I12475.labs.zap2it.com http://i12475.labs.zap2it.com/', '16 WJYS', '16' ), ( 'I22132.labs.zap2it.com http://i22132.labs.zap2it.com/', '18 EDAC018', '18' ), ( 'I23494.labs.zap2it.com http://i23494.labs.zap2it.com/', '19 PUAC019', '19' ), ( 'I12009.labs.zap2it.com http://i12009.labs.zap2it.com/', '20 WYCC', '20' ), ( 'I12014.labs.zap2it.com http://i12014.labs.zap2it.com/', '21 WYIN', '21' ), ( 'I10161.labs.zap2it.com http://i10161.labs.zap2it.com/', '23 CSPAN', '23' ), ( 'I16331.labs.zap2it.com http://i16331.labs.zap2it.com/', '24 ANIMAL', '24' ), ( 'I7.labs.zap2it.com http://i7.labs.zap2it.com/', '25 CSNCH', '25' ), ( 'I16374.labs.zap2it.com http://i16374.labs.zap2it.com/', '26 FNC', '26' ), ( 'I21484.labs.zap2it.com http://i21484.labs.zap2it.com/', '27 OXYGEN', '27' ), ( 'I11163.labs.zap2it.com http://i11163.labs.zap2it.com/', '28 SPIKETV', '28' ), ( 'I10986.labs.zap2it.com http://i10986.labs.zap2it.com/', '29 MTV', '29' ), ( 'I11218.labs.zap2it.com http://i11218.labs.zap2it.com/', '30 VH1', '30' ), ( 'I11207.labs.zap2it.com http://i11207.labs.zap2it.com/', '31 USA', '31' ), ( 'I10179.labs.zap2it.com http://i10179.labs.zap2it.com/', '33 ESPN', '33' ), ( 'I12444.labs.zap2it.com http://i12444.labs.zap2it.com/', '34 ESPN2', '34' ), ( 'I10145.labs.zap2it.com http://i10145.labs.zap2it.com/', '35 CNNH', '35' ), ( 'I10142.labs.zap2it.com http://i10142.labs.zap2it.com/', '36 CNN', '36' ), ( 'I12285.labs.zap2it.com http://i12285.labs.zap2it.com/', '37 CLTV', '37' ), ( 'I10139.labs.zap2it.com http://i10139.labs.zap2it.com/', '38 CNBC', '38' ), ( 'I11187.labs.zap2it.com http://i11187.labs.zap2it.com/', '39 TWC', '39' ), ( 'I10035.labs.zap2it.com http://i10035.labs.zap2it.com/', '40 AETV', '40' ), ( 'I10021.labs.zap2it.com http://i10021.labs.zap2it.com/', '41 AMC', '41' ), ( 'I10149.labs.zap2it.com http://i10149.labs.zap2it.com/', '42 COMEDY', '42' ), ( 'I10989.labs.zap2it.com http://i10989.labs.zap2it.com/', '43 E', '43' ), ( 'I14899.labs.zap2it.com http://i14899.labs.zap2it.com/', '44 GOLF', '44' ), ( 'I10918.labs.zap2it.com http://i10918.labs.zap2it.com/', '45 LIFE', '45' ), ( 'I11006.labs.zap2it.com http://i11006.labs.zap2it.com/', '46 NIK', '46' ), ( 'I12131.labs.zap2it.com http://i12131.labs.zap2it.com/', '47 TOON', '47' ), ( 'I11150.labs.zap2it.com http://i11150.labs.zap2it.com/', '48 DSC', '48' ), ( 'I11164.labs.zap2it.com http://i11164.labs.zap2it.com/', '49 TNT', '49' ), ( 'I11867.labs.zap2it.com http://i11867.labs.zap2it.com/', '50 TBS', '50' ), ( 'I10093.labs.zap2it.com http://i10093.labs.zap2it.com/', '51 FAM', '51' ), ( 'I11158.labs.zap2it.com http://i11158.labs.zap2it.com/', '52 TLC', '52' ), ( 'I14902.labs.zap2it.com http://i14902.labs.zap2it.com/', '53 HGTV', '53' ), ( 'I10171.labs.zap2it.com http://i10171.labs.zap2it.com/', '54 DISN', '54' ), ( 'I11069.labs.zap2it.com http://i11069.labs.zap2it.com/', '56 QVC', '56' ), ( 'I14321.labs.zap2it.com http://i14321.labs.zap2it.com/', '58 FX', '58' ), ( 'I16300.labs.zap2it.com
Re: [Freevo-users] TV Questions
I was browsing through the list archives and found this email covering a similar problem that I just started experiencing. I recently switched my listings from broadcast to cable, deleted all the files mentioned in this chain and re-downloaded my TV.xml file. The TV sort script was activated by freevo and seems to be working, but I'm still getting the channels in alphabetical order in my tv guide instead of sequential order. My previous setup was working fine before... Am I missing a file somewhere? I'm running 1.7.3 on debian etch. Regards, Michael On Nov 19, 2006 10:18 PM, Evan Hisey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davin- Anyone have any ideas? I would really like to see the channels listed in order. TV_CHANNELS does set the order and so does TV.xml.pickled but because TV.xml.pickled is generated it's best to use TV_CHANNELS. I suspect that the order in 1.5.4 was once different when TV.xml.pickled was created. There is an option called TV_SORT= in local_conf.py. I believe the xmltv sorter is called tv_sort. So if you set TV_SORT=tv_sort you should get sorted prog Evan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] TV Questions
Michael Labowicz said the following, on 31/01/2008 03:38: I was browsing through the list archives and found this email covering a similar problem that I just started experiencing. I recently switched my listings from broadcast to cable, deleted all the files mentioned in this chain and re-downloaded my TV.xml file. The TV sort script was activated by freevo and seems to be working, but I'm still getting the channels in alphabetical order in my tv guide instead of sequential order. My previous setup was working fine before... Am I missing a file somewhere? The TV channels should be shown in the order of the TV_CHANNELS from local_conf.py. The tv_sort of TV.xml only makes sure that the xml data is sorted so that the programme list is in chronological order. Duncan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
[Freevo-users] TV Questions
I am currently switching from an old, clunky box running 1.5.4 to a new, purpose-built box running 1.6. Along this migration I have run across to questions I've not been able to find answers to: 1. The big one: On my 1.5.4 box, the TV guide channels are listed in order of their channel number, lowest to highest. On my 1.6 machine, they are simply appearing in the order they are presented within the TV.xml file. Both boxes are running freevo tv_grab, and I don't see any configuration for listing order, so I'm not sure why there is a difference between the two. Well I guess the TV_CHANNELS option is supposed to have some effect on order, but I have TV_CHANNELS = None on both boxes because I'm using TV.xml. Anyone have any ideas? I would really like to see the channels listed in order. 2. Where are the favorites stored? I am wondering if I can simply grab some file off my 1.5.4 box and place it on my 1.6 box and thus move all the favorites. Thanks, Davin - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] TV Questions
Davin Desborough wrote: I am currently switching from an old, clunky box running 1.5.4 to a new, purpose-built box running 1.6. Along this migration I have run across to questions I've not been able to find answers to: 1. The big one: On my 1.5.4 box, the TV guide channels are listed in order of their channel number, lowest to highest. On my 1.6 machine, they are simply appearing in the order they are presented within the TV.xml file. Both boxes are running freevo tv_grab, and I don't see any configuration for listing order, so I'm not sure why there is a difference between the two. Well I guess the TV_CHANNELS option is supposed to have some effect on order, but I have TV_CHANNELS = None on both boxes because I'm using TV.xml. Anyone have any ideas? I would really like to see the channels listed in order. TV_CHANNELS does set the order and so does TV.xml.pickled but because TV.xml.pickled is generated it's best to use TV_CHANNELS. I suspect that the order in 1.5.4 was once different when TV.xml.pickled was created. 2. Where are the favorites stored? I am wondering if I can simply grab some file off my 1.5.4 box and place it on my 1.6 box and thus move all the favorites. Favourites are stored in record_schedule.xml which can be configured by TV_RECORD_SCHEDULE in local_conf.py Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users