Re: [Full-disclosure] New term "RDV" is born

[Jibujibujibu]

I am a system administrator and I find this list full of noise due to
people like you.

On 9/28/07, Daniel Marsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  On 9/28/07, Jimby Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I am a system administrator and I find this list full of noise due to
> > people like you.
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Knud Erik Højgaard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I am a system administrator and I find this list full of noise due to
> > > people like you.
> > > --
> > >
> > > On 9/28/07, Jimby Sharp < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Stop your stupid bullshit. If you have no work to do, create your
> > own
> > > > mailing list and post your bullshit there. We have better things to
> > do
> > > > than think about stupid names.
> > > >
> > > > If the media thinks that hackers are always evil, it is because of
> > > > stupid people like you, who have nothing good to contribute or
> > discuss
> > > > but create confusion and propaganda over nothing.
> > > >
> > > > I am a system administrator and I find this list full of noise due
> > to
> > > > people like you. Could someone please ban this insane person called
> > > > worriedsecurity?
> > > >
> > > > On 9/28/07, worried security <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > On 9/27/07, T Biehn < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Genius!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: Wow, thats a cool 0-day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: You mean an RDV.
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: What?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: Only the bad guys call it 0-day now, haven't you heard?
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: Nope.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: Yeah Gadi Evron and friends didn't like the term 0-day
> > anymore, because
> > > > > it sounds too evil elite hacker and not whitehat enough, so n3td3v
> > came up
> > > > > with "RDV".
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: So who is n3td3v?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: A guy in the underground who keeps getting blamed for being
> > some dude
> > > > > called Gobbles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: Oh right, i'm a whitehat, so I better start replacing 0-day
> > with RDV
> > > > > now. I want to be politically correct and don't want to be
> > mistaken as a
> > > > > blackhat, because only blackhats call it 0-day now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: Yes, not everyone likes n3td3v, but its kind of catchy, so
> > people kept
> > > > > with "RDV".
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: Yeah, thats sweet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: Exactly. Us whitehats have got to stick together and distance
> > ourselves
> > > > > from catchphrases thought up by the evil blackhat community.
> > > > >
> > > > > Billy: Whitehats rule! Down with the blackhats.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe: Whitehat supremacy, way to go!
> > > > >
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>  I am a system administrator and I find this list full of noise due to
> people like you.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] place bets this doesn't appear on pro us government securityfocus frontpage

[Jibujibujibu]

China has suffered "massive" losses of state secrets
Like what? China beats Buddist monks? China neglects farmers?

If their state secrets were put on the internet, most likely these state
secrets were not that, you know, "secret" in the first place. :0

On 9/12/07, Reuters wrote:
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> BEIJING (Reuters) - China has suffered "massive" losses of state secrets
> through the Internet, a senior official said, as China faces reports that it
> has raided the computer networks of Western powers.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com

[Jibujibujibu]

wot;dr

On 9/9/07, worried security <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> this person has been sharing login information to the world wide web,
> opening up world governments up to terrorist cyber intrusions. this guy has
> not been sent to guantanamo bay yet why not? this reckless act of evil
> against western values is not good for the world. we should stop these
> individuals from posting government related informations which could harm
> the population of a country by allowing sensitive data to be accessed by
> terrorist cyber intrusion. all terrorists are linked up to the world wide
> web, making it likely the informations were accessable to them and not just
> responsible security professionals and law inforcement agencies. he said he
> was posting the informations to let all affected governments learn of the
> vulnerability to their government infrastructure as a collective of people
> as it would cause him too much time and money to contact each government
> network individually. however when there are more than government network
> employees learning of the informations, then it becomes a risk to national
> security. the protection of the population and the interests must become the
> governments first priorty. leaving this individual to make funny remarks of
> the governments in question by parading their network access informations in
> the public glare does more than alerting the proper authority to the cause
> of getting security tightened. 
> derangedsecurity.comshould be held 
> accountable for their actions infront of judge and jury. i as
> member of the public are fine with arguments and full disclosure of
> e-commerce vulnerability informations being post to the world wide web in
> the good nature of freedom of speech but the argument that exposing the
> network access information of world governments leaving the network open to
> terrorist cyber intrusion is unacceptable by any code of ethics that i can
> agree with. i as member of the public say "not in my name" can you release
> network access informations to the public for self satisfaction and delight
> that you have managed to breach the national security infrastructure of a
> government. i say you should be ashamed, and if you had just claimed you
> were just being an accessory and conspiracy to cause terrorist cyber
> intrustions then i wouldn't be writing to complain, but its the fact you use
> full disclosure of a responsible security professional as an excuse for your
> actions which makes me believe you should be stripped of your job title and
> held accountable to the governments you have left vulnerable to terrorist
> cyber intrusion. you are not a security professional, you are lower than
> that, you are working against the ethics of the basis of your career of
> security professional. responsible security professionals don't risk the
> national security interests of multiple world governments, leaving the
> population vulnerable in the process by making the government network weaker
> by offering access to the mass public, where ultimately cyber terrorists are
> lurking in wait to ambush the network access data to espionage on their
> operations. this information you post is what your risking to the world, is
> a greater feeling of instability throughout the affected countries and a
> general feeling of alarm and distress to the mass public. your informations
> were reported to the mass public media on the internet as well as chinese
> television stations, and other mediums of public broadcasting, this is
> unacceptable in the level of your full disclosure ethic has caused to the
> wider world. i believe your actions to be morally incorrect and that your
> actions should be illegal while our brave men are fighting the war on terror
> to protect your childrens future, this kind of anti government disclosure
> shouldn't come under the ordinary full disclosure ethics. you post on your
> website that you are angry your hosting company disapproved on your
> disclosure to the mass public, you said why bother terminating my website
> when informations are already been in the public domain? damage limtiation
> is the reason, and the fact the informations shouldn't have been there in
> the first place, i thought maybe this would be an indication that your code
> of conduct was actually immorally and maybe you would reconsider the
> legality of  what you put on your website, but you didn't, you kept the
> tempo high by relocating your website to a new server which was under the
> control of your irresponsible self, away from account terminations and away
> from becoming under the scrutiny of a hosting companys terms of service
> agreement. you then try and point blame to others, you blame the united
> states government for contacting your hosting provider to get you shutdown
> and you blame the governments for leaving their own population open to a
> national security breach. you in no way find yourself acc