Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 23, 2009, at 9:35 PM, insightinmind wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I don't know of a similar check for Core Image other than trying something that requires Core Image, there are several screensavers that use Core Image effects which wouldn't work if the Radeon 7000 was killing it in the 9800 Pro. Concerning Core Image Check, I believe adding a Widget to the Dashboard will give the water ripple effect if Core Image is working? I's like to know of some other checks if someone could e-mail me offlist. Thanks If Core Image is supported, it will say so in the System Profiler: Core Image: Hardware Accelerated If the card does not support CI, it will say Software Only (iirc, I'm not at my old powerbook right now.) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 22, 3:45 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Seems likely the Radeon 7000 could be a problem and perhaps you've lost all the Core support, including Core Audio? That was the only reason I thought it might be the video cards, but that seems kinda weird to me. I believe the 5200 does support Core Image but if you're using the PCI version, you'd still need PCI Extreme to get QE working, and if you're using Leopard, I'm not sure PCI Extreme works? I know it works in 10.4.11. If the Radeon 7000 is causing Core Audio to not work, switching could be a solution to your issue? Let us know. And their website doesn't guarantee anything later than 10.4.3. Probably don't want to try it on Leopard then, although if I swapped for the AGP 5200 I wouldn't need a second video card period, but I'm not really willing to do that since the 9800 Pro is pretty much a better card all around. Decisions, decisions. On May 22, 3:56 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: What about Finder sounds, and other apps (IMs, etc), do they cut out? All sounds are gone. I use the volume buttons, no sounds. No noises for events in Terminal, Thunderbird, MSN or Adium. Try playing your music with QuickTime Player instead of iTunes. Does that make a diff? Does it in iTunes, QuickTime and Songbird, oddly enough. Is this on your built-in speakers or externals? Externals plugged into the front headphone jack. I guess I should have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the year or so that I have been using it regularly. Seems very strange to me that audio cutouts would be video-card related It seems weird to me, too, but that was the only major change that I've done to the machine in the week or so before it started happening: adding a new video card and a second monitor. Might be worth checking and cleaning the speaker connections etc. Maybe when your PM is huffing puffing, the fan vibration is causing things to move enough... I did check that, but it seems to be resolving on its own without having to touch cables. Long shot, but do you have cats? My powermacs are succeptable to feline interference. Frieda grabs the speaker cable and pulls/licks until it comes loose... (this is an improvement; her first fav was the fireware cables!) I do, but they don't seem to have any particular affinity to my computers other than the little one liking to curl up behind the exhaust vents of the two PowerMacs under my desk. I'll keep an eye out for them, though. Never know. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Rory wrote: Externals plugged into the front headphone jack. I guess I should have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the year or so that I have been using it regularly. I would probably suspect this as the cause of flaky audio. As time goes by, the jacks/inserts also corrode, ever so slightly, causing poor connections and audio drops ... corrosion even while plugged in, especially if the atmosphere is polluted ... so it could change while sitting perfectly still ... I even get this on my Mackie Pro audio board ... gold plated connectors avoid this. And I live in a small town, limited pollution (still on the planet Earth, though) ... except for the pollen ... Unplugging and plugging it back in, sometimes cleans things up ... although you say its broken off inside ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
At 11:38 AM -0400 5/23/2009, insightinmind wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Rory wrote: Externals plugged into the front headphone jack. I guess I should have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the year or so that I have been using it regularly. I would probably suspect this as the cause of flaky audio. As time goes by, the jacks/inserts also corrode, ever so slightly, causing poor connections and audio drops ... corrosion even while plugged in, especially if the atmosphere is polluted ... so it could change while sitting perfectly still ... yea. Fix this first. It feels like the most likely culprit so far. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
Any suggestions on going about removing said half-plug? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
At 10:19 AM -0700 5/23/2009, Rory wrote: Any suggestions on going about removing said half-plug? If it won't wiggle out, punt - just disconnect the whole socket. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 23, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Rory wrote: And their website [PCI Extreme 3.1] doesn't guarantee anything later than 10.4.3. It works fine in 10.4.11. This was just a bad update (I think it was actually the 10.4.4?) that was an anomoly for PCI Extreme. It works fine with 10.4.11, which is the only Tiger version anyone should be using. I don't know about Leopard, I'm skeptical it would work, but who knows until you try? After all, it's only changing one single line of a .plist file. If I swapped for the AGP 5200 I wouldn't need a second video card period, but I'm not really willing to do that since the 9800 Pro is pretty much a better card all around. Yes, but if the PCI Radeon 7000's presence is killing off the acceleration of the 9800 Pro, you're hosed compared to a working AGP 5200. You need to check each display with Quartz Extreme Check 1.2 to see if Quartz Extreme is working. I don't know of a similar check for Core Image other than trying something that requires Core Image, there are several screensavers that use Core Image effects which wouldn't work if the Radeon 7000 was killing it in the 9800 Pro. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 23, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I don't know of a similar check for Core Image other than trying something that requires Core Image, there are several screensavers that use Core Image effects which wouldn't work if the Radeon 7000 was killing it in the 9800 Pro. Concerning Core Image Check, I believe adding a Widget to the Dashboard will give the water ripple effect if Core Image is working? I's like to know of some other checks if someone could e-mail me offlist. Thanks Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What could be causing the sound to cut out?
I've been facing an annoying problem that has been getting progressively worse, so I figured it would be time to get a second opinion because I'm drawing a blank. Background: I have a PowerMac G5, 2.0Ghz DP with 6GB of RAM. Video is supplied to two monitors with a stock AGP Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB of VRAM and a flashed PCI Radeon 7000 with 64MB of VRAM. Problem: Whenever I am heavily multitasking, iTunes seems to randomly cut out whenever I am doing something on the screen powered by the 7000, but never the 9800's screen. I've tried using Songbird as well, but the problem seems to be systemic since all audio cuts out at this point, but will come back within a minute or two. I've been watching Activity monitor fairly closely, but haven't noticed any processor or RAM usage spikes that coincide with the loss of audio. In fact, the processors rarely crest a combined 110% and I almost always have at least 2GB of RAM free and untouched. I have a pair of nVidia GeForce 5200s (an AGP and a PCI, both with 256MB of VRAM) lying about that I could easily flash. Would installing those help? I somehow doubt it, but there might be something I don't know about this as a whole. Thanks in advance for any advice y'all can offer! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 22, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Rory wrote: I have a pair of nVidia GeForce 5200s (an AGP and a PCI, both with 256MB of VRAM) lying about that I could easily flash. Would installing those help? I somehow doubt it, but there might be something I don't know about this as a whole. The Radeon 7000 doesn't support Core Image. I know when a non-Quartz Extreme video card is combined with a QE supported card the entire Mac loses QE function unless you use PCI Extreme to enable QE on the PCI card (which means you likely have no QE on either card?). Seems likely the Radeon 7000 could be a problem and perhaps you've lost all the Core support, including Core Audio? I believe the 5200 does support Core Image but if you're using the PCI version, you'd still need PCI Extreme to get QE working, and if you're using Leopard, I'm not sure PCI Extreme works? I know it works in 10.4.11. If the Radeon 7000 is causing Core Audio to not work, switching could be a solution to your issue? Let us know. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
At 12:23 PM -0700 5/22/2009, Rory wrote: PowerMac G5, 2.0Ghz DP with 6GB of RAM. Video is supplied to two monitors with a stock AGP Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB of VRAM and a flashed PCI Radeon 7000 with 64MB of VRAM. Whenever I am heavily multitasking, iTunes seems to randomly cut out whenever I am doing something on the screen powered by the 7000, but never the 9800's screen. I've tried using Songbird as well, but the problem seems to be systemic since all audio cuts out at this point, but will come back within a minute or two. What about Finder sounds, and other apps (IMs, etc), do they cut out? Try playing your music with QuickTime Player instead of iTunes. Does that make a diff? Is this on your built-in speakers or externals? Seems very strange to me that audio cutouts would be video-card related. Might be worth checking and cleaning the speaker connections etc. Maybe when your PM is huffing puffing, the fan vibration is causing things to move enough... Long shot, but do you have cats? My powermacs are succeptable to feline interference. Frieda grabs the speaker cable and pulls/licks until it comes loose... (this is an improvement; her first fav was the fireware cables!) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
