Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-09-18 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo

Luis Francisco Araujo wrote:

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Robin H. Johnson wrote:
| Hi folks,
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| Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves
| replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of
| channels.
|


Please join #gentoo-bo , /me is the channel contact

Thanks!

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Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org"
Gentoo Linux




Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-18 Thread Thilo Bangert
"C. Bergström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 17-09-2008 10:41:07 +0200, "C. Bergström" wrote:
> >>> By the way, I'm against this stuff.  I rather see a PATH solution
> >>> involved.  Portage already has a DEFAULT_PATH, and if someone
> >>> refuses to install patch, one could always use a special directory
> >>> with symlinks to the g-versions, e.g. patch -> /usr/sfw/bin/gpatch
> >>> such that Portage/eclass/ebuilds don't have to bother about this at
> >>> all.
> >>
> >> patch is installed and I would agree with you, but in certain
> >> circumstances using the GNU tools are broken.
> >
> > Then if that is the case, Portage/eclass/ebuild relies on that
> > brokenness.  I'm not saying you should have the same PATH as Portage.
>
> GNU tools always behaved as expected on Linux.  The brokeness is
> platform specific in my case.  

please, also make sure this gets fixed. 
thanks for your work

kind regards
Thilo


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[gentoo-dev] RFC: Bug 217042: enewgroup/enewuser in pkg_setup()

2008-09-18 Thread Steve Long
Just wondered what's going on with this one; is it waiting for impl of GLEP
27 or something?

Would it be wise to update the documentation as requested, in the meantime?

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217042





[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-18 Thread Steve Long
Fabian Groffen wrote:

> On 17-09-2008 10:21:17 +0200, Santiago M. Mola wrote:
>> >> Why not simply alias patch=gpatch in profile.bashrc?
>> >> See the FreeBSD profile for an example.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'd like to package portage for OpenSolaris and have it just drop-in
>> > work so modifications like what you suggest wouldn't be required.
>> 
>> You'd still need to create an OpenSolaris profile. While you're at it,
>> you can create a profile.bashrc with the required modifications.
>> 
>> I don't see any reason to not do the gpatch change, but it looks like
>> unecessary to me because you already have simpler ways to solve the
>> problem. So, requiring others to do a significant useless amount of
>> work when you can solve it with just a line is not fair.
> 
> From some experience, I can tell that an alias is not sufficient to
> cover all cases, and will result in random failures because you only
> notice too late patch is used and not gpatch.
>
alias only works for stuff that bash parses as a command on tokenisation. So
it won't work for anything called via a variable, or find -exec/xargs.
(Note also the standard way to get round an alias: \foo or `command foo'.)
 
> By the way, I'm against this stuff.  I rather see a PATH solution
> involved.  Portage already has a DEFAULT_PATH, and if someone refuses to
> install patch, one could always use a special directory with symlinks to
> the g-versions, e.g. patch -> /usr/sfw/bin/gpatch such that
> Portage/eclass/ebuilds don't have to bother about this at all.
> 
I agree. PATH+=':/blah/bar', or PATH="/blah/bar:$PATH" if you want it
considered first.

The alternative would be a variable for every utility that could conceivably
be called, and then every ebuild would need to use those, which is a
maintenance nightmare imo. I guess you could ban use of -exec/xargs but I
don't think that's likely ever to happen.