Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:23:40 -0500, Dale wrote:

> > I use multiple devices. All modern phones have apps that allow bottom
> > posting as default. Inline is more difficult, which is why I leave
> > those replies for when I have a real PC.
> >
> > --
> > Joost  
> 
> So those "smart" devices are finally catching up.  Good for them to
> finally catch up to the world huh?  ROFL 

The devices have been capable of that for a long time, it is the users
that have trouble catching up!


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Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[J. Roeleveld]

On March 28, 2017 6:23:40 PM GMT+02:00, Dale  wrote:
>J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On March 28, 2017 5:32:04 PM GMT+02:00, Dale 
>wrote:
>>> Mick wrote:
 On Tuesday 28 Mar 2017 09:05:04 Dale wrote:
> Danny YUE wrote:
>> Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
>> I have never found any reference for that.
>>
>> I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.
>>
>> Danny
> Here is one but there are tons of others.
>
>
>>>
>https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp5
> 5147880
>
>
> Also, on this list, html is frowned upon as well.  Plain text is
> requested, although some devices may not have the option.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
 I thought the original joke went like this:

 A. Top posters
 Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

 A: Because it upsets the logical flow of the thread.
 Q: Why is top posting a bad idea?


 Anyway, Gentoo users often ask multifaceted questions which require
>>> more than 
 a single answer.  With top posting we would need to send many
>>> response emails 
 to respond with clarity to all points the OP may have raised.  With
>>> inline 
 responses we can interlace the answers in the OP's message and the
>>> logical 
 flow of the conversation is retained within a single response
>email.

>>> I have actually seen that in people's sig before.  I can't recall
>who
>>> it
>>> was and haven't seen it in a while. 
>>>
>>> I bottom post if it is somewhat a single subject or inline post if
>it
>>> has more than one topic.  As you say, it makes it easier to know
>what
>>> one is talking about.  I use what I feel will work best.  Top
>posting
>>> tho, as your example/joke points out, makes it hard to figure out
>what
>>> is going on, even if one is following the thread.  Of course, I also
>>> realize that some devices make that hard or impossible.  Most who
>use
>>> those devices say they are. 
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-) 
>> I use multiple devices. All modern phones have apps that allow bottom
>posting as default.
>> Inline is more difficult, which is why I leave those replies for when
>I have a real PC.
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>
>So those "smart" devices are finally catching up.  Good for them to
>finally catch up to the world huh?  ROFL 
>
>Dale
>
>:-)  :-) 

I use k9 mail, which has the option to bottom post by default.

Inline is difficult with touch screen. But not impossible.

But I have yet to find a real smart device. The ones that are sold as such are 
quite stupid. A 3 year old is smarter.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Dale]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On March 28, 2017 5:32:04 PM GMT+02:00, Dale  wrote:
>> Mick wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 28 Mar 2017 09:05:04 Dale wrote:
 Danny YUE wrote:
> Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
> I have never found any reference for that.
>
> I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.
>
> Danny
 Here is one but there are tons of others.


>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp5
 5147880


 Also, on this list, html is frowned upon as well.  Plain text is
 requested, although some devices may not have the option.

 Dale

 :-)  :-)
>>> I thought the original joke went like this:
>>>
>>> A. Top posters
>>> Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>>>
>>> A: Because it upsets the logical flow of the thread.
>>> Q: Why is top posting a bad idea?
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, Gentoo users often ask multifaceted questions which require
>> more than 
>>> a single answer.  With top posting we would need to send many
>> response emails 
>>> to respond with clarity to all points the OP may have raised.  With
>> inline 
>>> responses we can interlace the answers in the OP's message and the
>> logical 
>>> flow of the conversation is retained within a single response email.
>>>
>> I have actually seen that in people's sig before.  I can't recall who
>> it
>> was and haven't seen it in a while. 
>>
>> I bottom post if it is somewhat a single subject or inline post if it
>> has more than one topic.  As you say, it makes it easier to know what
>> one is talking about.  I use what I feel will work best.  Top posting
>> tho, as your example/joke points out, makes it hard to figure out what
>> is going on, even if one is following the thread.  Of course, I also
>> realize that some devices make that hard or impossible.  Most who use
>> those devices say they are. 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> I use multiple devices. All modern phones have apps that allow bottom posting 
> as default.
> Inline is more difficult, which is why I leave those replies for when I have 
> a real PC.
>
> --
> Joost

So those "smart" devices are finally catching up.  Good for them to
finally catch up to the world huh?  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[J. Roeleveld]

On March 28, 2017 5:32:04 PM GMT+02:00, Dale  wrote:
>Mick wrote:
>> On Tuesday 28 Mar 2017 09:05:04 Dale wrote:
>>> Danny YUE wrote:
 Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
 I have never found any reference for that.

 I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.

 Danny
>>> Here is one but there are tons of others.
>>>
>>>
>https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp5
>>> 5147880
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, on this list, html is frowned upon as well.  Plain text is
>>> requested, although some devices may not have the option.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>> I thought the original joke went like this:
>>
>> A. Top posters
>> Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>>
>> A: Because it upsets the logical flow of the thread.
>> Q: Why is top posting a bad idea?
>>
>>
>> Anyway, Gentoo users often ask multifaceted questions which require
>more than 
>> a single answer.  With top posting we would need to send many
>response emails 
>> to respond with clarity to all points the OP may have raised.  With
>inline 
>> responses we can interlace the answers in the OP's message and the
>logical 
>> flow of the conversation is retained within a single response email.
>>
>
>I have actually seen that in people's sig before.  I can't recall who
>it
>was and haven't seen it in a while. 
>
>I bottom post if it is somewhat a single subject or inline post if it
>has more than one topic.  As you say, it makes it easier to know what
>one is talking about.  I use what I feel will work best.  Top posting
>tho, as your example/joke points out, makes it hard to figure out what
>is going on, even if one is following the thread.  Of course, I also
>realize that some devices make that hard or impossible.  Most who use
>those devices say they are. 
>
>Dale
>
>:-)  :-) 

I use multiple devices. All modern phones have apps that allow bottom posting 
as default.
Inline is more difficult, which is why I leave those replies for when I have a 
real PC.

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-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 Mar 2017 09:05:04 Dale wrote:
>> Danny YUE wrote:
>>> Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
>>> I have never found any reference for that.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.
>>>
>>> Danny
>> Here is one but there are tons of others.
>>
>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp5
>> 5147880
>>
>>
>> Also, on this list, html is frowned upon as well.  Plain text is
>> requested, although some devices may not have the option.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
> I thought the original joke went like this:
>
> A. Top posters
> Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
>
> A: Because it upsets the logical flow of the thread.
> Q: Why is top posting a bad idea?
>
>
> Anyway, Gentoo users often ask multifaceted questions which require more than 
> a single answer.  With top posting we would need to send many response emails 
> to respond with clarity to all points the OP may have raised.  With inline 
> responses we can interlace the answers in the OP's message and the logical 
> flow of the conversation is retained within a single response email.
>

I have actually seen that in people's sig before.  I can't recall who it
was and haven't seen it in a while. 

I bottom post if it is somewhat a single subject or inline post if it
has more than one topic.  As you say, it makes it easier to know what
one is talking about.  I use what I feel will work best.  Top posting
tho, as your example/joke points out, makes it hard to figure out what
is going on, even if one is following the thread.  Of course, I also
realize that some devices make that hard or impossible.  Most who use
those devices say they are. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Mick]

On Tuesday 28 Mar 2017 09:05:04 Dale wrote:
> Danny YUE wrote:

> > Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
> > I have never found any reference for that.
> > 
> > I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.
> > 
> > Danny
> 
> Here is one but there are tons of others.
> 
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp5
> 5147880
> 
> 
> Also, on this list, html is frowned upon as well.  Plain text is
> requested, although some devices may not have the option.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

I thought the original joke went like this:

A. Top posters
Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

A: Because it upsets the logical flow of the thread.
Q: Why is top posting a bad idea?


Anyway, Gentoo users often ask multifaceted questions which require more than 
a single answer.  With top posting we would need to send many response emails 
to respond with clarity to all points the OP may have raised.  With inline 
responses we can interlace the answers in the OP's message and the logical 
flow of the conversation is retained within a single response email.

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Dale]

Danny YUE wrote:
> On 2017-03-28 05:32, J. Roeleveld  wrote:
>> On March 28, 2017 6:41:30 AM GMT+02:00, Danny YUE  
>> wrote:
>>> Not sure about mini-PC, but you may try another USB stick.
>>> Seriously, Kingston isI never succeeded with it.
>>>
>>> Danny
>>>
>>> On 2017-03-28 04:02, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
 On 03/27/2017 09:52 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 03/27 09:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying
>>> to boot from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
>> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports.
>>> Windows start regardless what I do.
>> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried
>>> to follow some instruction from google:
>>> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>> Doesn't help.
>>
>> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
>> -- 
>> Thelma
>>
> Hi,
>
> ...from my experience with SoC and such:
> Some boards have a button on the board, which lets the board
> boot from USB/sdcard while pressed...
>
> Only a shot in the dark...
>
> HTH!
> Cheers
> Meino
 I hope there is an easier option? I booted OK from USB my main server
 two months ago, but this Mini PC from China is different.
>> Please stop top-posting.
>> It is not accepted on this list.
> Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
> I have never found any reference for that.
>
> I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.
>
> Danny
>
>

Here is one but there are tons of others.

https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp55147880


Also, on this list, html is frowned upon as well.  Plain text is
requested, although some devices may not have the option. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Danny YUE]

On 2017-03-28 05:32, J. Roeleveld  wrote:
> On March 28, 2017 6:41:30 AM GMT+02:00, Danny YUE  wrote:
>>Not sure about mini-PC, but you may try another USB stick.
>>Seriously, Kingston isI never succeeded with it.
>>
>>Danny
>>
>>On 2017-03-28 04:02, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> On 03/27/2017 09:52 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
 On 03/27 09:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying
>>to boot from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports.
>>Windows start regardless what I do.
>
> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried
>>to follow some instruction from google:
>
>>https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>
> Doesn't help.
>
> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
> -- 
> Thelma
>
 
 Hi,
 
 ...from my experience with SoC and such:
 Some boards have a button on the board, which lets the board
 boot from USB/sdcard while pressed...
 
 Only a shot in the dark...
 
 HTH!
 Cheers
 Meino
>>>
>>> I hope there is an easier option? I booted OK from USB my main server
>>> two months ago, but this Mini PC from China is different.
>
> Please stop top-posting.
> It is not accepted on this list.

Just curious: why is top-posting forbidden here?
I have never found any reference for that.

I would appreciate it if you could tell me something about that.

Danny

[gentoo-user] ??????[gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[??????]

Is you PC EFI or BIOS ? If it is EFI, then you should use SystemRescueCD for 
booting from USB.
Minimal install ISO doesn't support EFI.


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????: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB



I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
start regardless what I do.

Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
some instruction from google:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html

Doesn't help.

I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
-- 
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[J. Roeleveld]

On March 28, 2017 6:41:30 AM GMT+02:00, Danny YUE  wrote:
>Not sure about mini-PC, but you may try another USB stick.
>Seriously, Kingston isI never succeeded with it.
>
>Danny
>
>On 2017-03-28 04:02, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> On 03/27/2017 09:52 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>>> On 03/27 09:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
 I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying
>to boot from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
 But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports.
>Windows start regardless what I do.

 Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried
>to follow some instruction from google:

>https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html

 Doesn't help.

 I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
 -- 
 Thelma

>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> ...from my experience with SoC and such:
>>> Some boards have a button on the board, which lets the board
>>> boot from USB/sdcard while pressed...
>>> 
>>> Only a shot in the dark...
>>> 
>>> HTH!
>>> Cheers
>>> Meino
>>
>> I hope there is an easier option? I booted OK from USB my main server
>> two months ago, but this Mini PC from China is different.

Please stop top-posting.
It is not accepted on this list.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Danny YUE]

Not sure about mini-PC, but you may try another USB stick.
Seriously, Kingston isI never succeeded with it.

Danny

On 2017-03-28 04:02, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 03/27/2017 09:52 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>> On 03/27 09:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
>>> from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
>>> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
>>> start regardless what I do.
>>>
>>> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to 
>>> follow some instruction from google:
>>> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>>>
>>> Doesn't help.
>>>
>>> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
>>> -- 
>>> Thelma
>>>
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> ...from my experience with SoC and such:
>> Some boards have a button on the board, which lets the board
>> boot from USB/sdcard while pressed...
>> 
>> Only a shot in the dark...
>> 
>> HTH!
>> Cheers
>> Meino
>
> I hope there is an easier option? I booted OK from USB my main server
> two months ago, but this Mini PC from China is different.

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[thelma]

On 03/27/2017 09:59 PM, Danny YUE wrote:
> Have you ever turned off "secure boot" or something similar in your BIOS
> settings?
> 
> Also sometimes the USB stick itself has some problem. For example I can
> never boot any system from my Kingston USB...
> 
> Danny
> 
> On 2017-03-28 03:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
>> from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
>> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
>> start regardless what I do.
>>
>> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
>> some instruction from google:
>> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>>
>> Doesn't help.
>>
>> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 

Got it

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[thelma]

On 03/27/2017 09:59 PM, Danny YUE wrote:
> Have you ever turned off "secure boot" or something similar in your BIOS
> settings?
> 
> Also sometimes the USB stick itself has some problem. For example I can
> never boot any system from my Kingston USB...
> 
> Danny
> 
> On 2017-03-28 03:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
>> from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
>> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
>> start regardless what I do.
>>
>> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
>> some instruction from google:
>> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>>
>> Doesn't help.
>>
>> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 

Kingston are the only USB's I have.
When I disable SSD boot and left only USB as boot option. I can not even
save it, it kicks me back to Bios option setting.
The USB stick I have booted my big rig just fine.

--
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[thelma]

On 03/27/2017 09:52 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 03/27 09:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
>> from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
>> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
>> start regardless what I do.
>>
>> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
>> some instruction from google:
>> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>>
>> Doesn't help.
>>
>> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
>> -- 
>> Thelma
>>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> ...from my experience with SoC and such:
> Some boards have a button on the board, which lets the board
> boot from USB/sdcard while pressed...
> 
> Only a shot in the dark...
> 
> HTH!
> Cheers
> Meino

I hope there is an easier option? I booted OK from USB my main server
two months ago, but this Mini PC from China is different.

--
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[Danny YUE]

Have you ever turned off "secure boot" or something similar in your BIOS
settings?

Also sometimes the USB stick itself has some problem. For example I can
never boot any system from my Kingston USB...

Danny

On 2017-03-28 03:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
> from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
> start regardless what I do.
>
> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
> some instruction from google:
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
>
> Doesn't help.
>
> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 

Re: [gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[tuxic]

On 03/27 09:46, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
> from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
> But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
> start regardless what I do.
> 
> Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
> some instruction from google:
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html
> 
> Doesn't help.
> 
> I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
> -- 
> Thelma
> 

Hi,

...from my experience with SoC and such:
Some boards have a button on the board, which lets the board
boot from USB/sdcard while pressed...

Only a shot in the dark...

HTH!
Cheers
Meino

[gentoo-user] Booting from USB

[thelma]

I just got some Mini-PC from China with Windows 10 on it and trying to boot 
from USB to install Gentoo on it.  
But it will not boot from USB, I've tried front and back USB ports. Windows 
start regardless what I do.

Yes, I set in Bios 1st boot is USB. I've tried pressing F12. Tried to follow 
some instruction from google:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/21756-boot-usb-drive-windows-10-pc.html

Doesn't help.

I used rufus to make bootable USB sticks (have two of them). 
-- 
Thelma