Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics

2014-10-07 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 05:29:11AM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hi,
 
 There are two SDcards of the same brand and model.
 The first one cariies a not so current Gentoo Linux.
 The second one is empty.
 Now the first one is image-copied to the second one with dd,
 which copies the contents of the whole device (not the partitions).
 
 Then the first one is put into my embedded system, boots up and
 the normal eix-syn/emerge/compiel is done to update the system (whch
 takes a longer time becaus this is an embedded system).
 
 Will I get a technical identical working and valid copy of the first sdcard 
 onto
 the second sdcard if I rsync the relevant partition of the first onto
 the second sdcard.
 
 Or will I produce crap this way? Is this valid Gentoo-wise?
 

Moin (again),

this will work quite well, at least if you take care (I used this way for
moving my systems to new drives or even via network to different boxes (in the
latter case CFLAGS and kernel config will become important again, as you can
imagine)).
Ideally you should run rsync with the option to remove files not found on the
source drive (otherwise you'll likely clutter the target with stale files
(especially documentation  but also older library versions).
You will also need to change the configs (at least static network  hostname,
possibly more) so that both systems don't clash, at least if you plan to run
both on the same network.
The rm option of rsync is potentially dangerous (e.g. you can delete files
from home).
If you are careful this is a valid way of doing that. Another option that would
move quite a bit work from one machine to the other is just building binpkgs on
one host and use the other one as binhost. That way (if you use identical
/etc/portage dirs) you can quite savely use portage and nonetheless negate the
use of compiling (there will still be the load of dependency resplution,
extracting etc).

WKR
Hinnerk


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics

2014-10-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 00:29:10 -0400, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:

 Seems like it should work as long as you didn't update the kernel or any
 other files under /boot, but why not just dd it again? Then you can be
 sure it works.

Given the inherent fragility of SD cards, I would use dd each time, via
and intermediate file. Then, when one of the cards fails, you have a
backup without taking the other card out of service.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics

2014-10-07 Thread meino . cramer
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de [14-10-07 17:23]:
 On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 05:29:11AM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
  Hi,
  
  There are two SDcards of the same brand and model.
  The first one cariies a not so current Gentoo Linux.
  The second one is empty.
  Now the first one is image-copied to the second one with dd,
  which copies the contents of the whole device (not the partitions).
  
  Then the first one is put into my embedded system, boots up and
  the normal eix-syn/emerge/compiel is done to update the system (whch
  takes a longer time becaus this is an embedded system).
  
  Will I get a technical identical working and valid copy of the first sdcard 
  onto
  the second sdcard if I rsync the relevant partition of the first onto
  the second sdcard.
  
  Or will I produce crap this way? Is this valid Gentoo-wise?
  
 
 Moin (again),
 
 this will work quite well, at least if you take care (I used this way for
 moving my systems to new drives or even via network to different boxes (in the
 latter case CFLAGS and kernel config will become important again, as you can
 imagine)).
 Ideally you should run rsync with the option to remove files not found on the
 source drive (otherwise you'll likely clutter the target with stale files
 (especially documentation  but also older library versions).
 You will also need to change the configs (at least static network  hostname,
 possibly more) so that both systems don't clash, at least if you plan to run
 both on the same network.
 The rm option of rsync is potentially dangerous (e.g. you can delete files
 from home).
 If you are careful this is a valid way of doing that. Another option that 
 would
 move quite a bit work from one machine to the other is just building binpkgs 
 on
 one host and use the other one as binhost. That way (if you use identical
 /etc/portage dirs) you can quite savely use portage and nonetheless negate the
 use of compiling (there will still be the load of dependency resplution,
 extracting etc).
 
 WKR
 Hinnerk

Moin Hinnerk, ;)

Good points...I have not thought deep enough about it - I think
(recursion?)...
Currently the master card is being updated via eix/emerge...and
then... :)

Best regards,
Meino






[gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics

2014-10-06 Thread meino . cramer
Hi,

There are two SDcards of the same brand and model.
The first one cariies a not so current Gentoo Linux.
The second one is empty.
Now the first one is image-copied to the second one with dd,
which copies the contents of the whole device (not the partitions).

Then the first one is put into my embedded system, boots up and
the normal eix-syn/emerge/compiel is done to update the system (whch
takes a longer time becaus this is an embedded system).

Will I get a technical identical working and valid copy of the first sdcard onto
the second sdcard if I rsync the relevant partition of the first onto
the second sdcard.

Or will I produce crap this way? Is this valid Gentoo-wise?

Thank you very much for any help in advance!

Best regards,
mcc





Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics

2014-10-06 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel

On 10/06/2014 11:29 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hi,

 There are two SDcards of the same brand and model.
 The first one cariies a not so current Gentoo Linux.
 The second one is empty.
 Now the first one is image-copied to the second one with dd,
 which copies the contents of the whole device (not the partitions).

 Then the first one is put into my embedded system, boots up and
 the normal eix-syn/emerge/compiel is done to update the system (whch
 takes a longer time becaus this is an embedded system).

 Will I get a technical identical working and valid copy of the first sdcard 
 onto
 the second sdcard if I rsync the relevant partition of the first onto
 the second sdcard.

 Or will I produce crap this way? Is this valid Gentoo-wise?

 Thank you very much for any help in advance!

 Best regards,
 mcc



Seems like it should work as long as you didn't update the kernel or any
other files under /boot, but why not just dd it again? Then you can be
sure it works.

Regards,

Alec