Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
How does one go about requesting this as a feature enhancement? To include this in Gimp would vastly improve usability in this regard, as well as making logical (and practical) sense. On 26/01/2011 12:14, Jeremy Nell wrote: Except that the opacity slider makes it tougher to see the preview as the opacity is made less. But that's besides the point. 1. If I've set the opacity of the layer, then the opacity of that layer should remain as is when I scale / rotate. 2. When I scale / rotate, the layer's position in the stack should remain in its place, rather than suddenly appear at the top of every layer when being rotated / scaled. Surely, this is a reasonable request? On 26/01/2011 12:06, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/26/2011 09:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? The Scale and Rotate tools have an opacity slider for the preview... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
Øyvind have already answered your question: It indeed is, and this should eventually solve itself as GEGL is more properly integrated with the layer stack of GIMP and what is shown is no longer a preview but the actual result. For now the preview is a hack that provides better visual feedback than just a bounding box or a wireframe grid. /Øyvind K. This means that your request will be automatically solved in the future release. You don't have much chance that anyone will spend his/her time by writing a temporary solution. Abel On 1/28/2011 9:58 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: How does one go about requesting this as a feature enhancement? To include this in Gimp would vastly improve usability in this regard, as well as making logical (and practical) sense. On 26/01/2011 12:14, Jeremy Nell wrote: Except that the opacity slider makes it tougher to see the preview as the opacity is made less. But that's besides the point. 1. If I've set the opacity of the layer, then the opacity of that layer should remain as is when I scale / rotate. 2. When I scale / rotate, the layer's position in the stack should remain in its place, rather than suddenly appear at the top of every layer when being rotated / scaled. Surely, this is a reasonable request? On 26/01/2011 12:06, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/26/2011 09:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? The Scale and Rotate tools have an opacity slider for the preview... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
I must have missed that response. Thanks. Looking forward to the new release! On 28/01/2011 11:09, Tőkés Ábel wrote: Øyvind have already answered your question: It indeed is, and this should eventually solve itself as GEGL is more properly integrated with the layer stack of GIMP and what is shown is no longer a preview but the actual result. For now the preview is a hack that provides better visual feedback than just a bounding box or a wireframe grid. /Øyvind K. This means that your request will be automatically solved in the future release. You don't have much chance that anyone will spend his/her time by writing a temporary solution. Abel On 1/28/2011 9:58 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: How does one go about requesting this as a feature enhancement? To include this in Gimp would vastly improve usability in this regard, as well as making logical (and practical) sense. On 26/01/2011 12:14, Jeremy Nell wrote: Except that the opacity slider makes it tougher to see the preview as the opacity is made less. But that's besides the point. 1. If I've set the opacity of the layer, then the opacity of that layer should remain as is when I scale / rotate. 2. When I scale / rotate, the layer's position in the stack should remain in its place, rather than suddenly appear at the top of every layer when being rotated / scaled. Surely, this is a reasonable request? On 26/01/2011 12:06, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/26/2011 09:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? The Scale and Rotate tools have an opacity slider for the preview... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
Not sure about GEGL previews, bu there is a new transform tool spec: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Transformation_tool_specification To combine scale, shear and rotate into one tool. No mention of how previews are to be handled, however. -Rob A On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Jeremy Nell jeremyn...@gmail.com wrote: I must have missed that response. Thanks. Looking forward to the new release! On 28/01/2011 11:09, Tőkés Ábel wrote: Øyvind have already answered your question: It indeed is, and this should eventually solve itself as GEGL is more properly integrated with the layer stack of GIMP and what is shown is no longer a preview but the actual result. For now the preview is a hack that provides better visual feedback than just a bounding box or a wireframe grid. /Øyvind K. This means that your request will be automatically solved in the future release. You don't have much chance that anyone will spend his/her time by writing a temporary solution. Abel On 1/28/2011 9:58 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: How does one go about requesting this as a feature enhancement? To include this in Gimp would vastly improve usability in this regard, as well as making logical (and practical) sense. On 26/01/2011 12:14, Jeremy Nell wrote: Except that the opacity slider makes it tougher to see the preview as the opacity is made less. But that's besides the point. 1. If I've set the opacity of the layer, then the opacity of that layer should remain as is when I scale / rotate. 2. When I scale / rotate, the layer's position in the stack should remain in its place, rather than suddenly appear at the top of every layer when being rotated / scaled. Surely, this is a reasonable request? On 26/01/2011 12:06, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/26/2011 09:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? The Scale and Rotate tools have an opacity slider for the preview... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? On 21/01/2011 12:33, Jeremy Nell wrote: Thanks. That does help, but not completely, because the more you lessen the opacity, the less of the preview you can see. It still appears on top of all the layers, rather than in the layer where it was originally positioned (in this case, at the bottom). On 21/01/2011 12:20, Mikel Garai wrote: The rotate tool have an opacity slider for the preview in the tool options dialog. El 21/01/11 11:16, Jeremy Nell escribió: 1. I have an illustration with a few layers (lines and colours). 2. I drag and drop, let's say, an image of a TV onto the illustration. 3. I move the TV's layer down to below all the layers, so that it's at the bottom and appears partly behind, say, a cabinet. 4. I want to scale and rotate it so that it looks better (still behind the cabinet). I click the Rotate tool. 5. When I rotate the TV, it no longer appears behind all the other layers (and, thus, behind the cabinet). It appears as if it were the top most layer and, thus, in front of the cabinet. Is there a way to make it NOT do that? This is because I physically can't see behind it, so my rotating becomes guesswork; if my rotation is wrong, then I undo and try again, which becomes a bit tedious. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
I don't have a solution, but would like to second this - it is really counter productive. The layer should indeed stay where it is and do not change settings like opacity, etc. Peter On 01/26/2011 10:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? On 21/01/2011 12:33, Jeremy Nell wrote: Thanks. That does help, but not completely, because the more you lessen the opacity, the less of the preview you can see. It still appears on top of all the layers, rather than in the layer where it was originally positioned (in this case, at the bottom). On 21/01/2011 12:20, Mikel Garai wrote: The rotate tool have an opacity slider for the preview in the tool options dialog. El 21/01/11 11:16, Jeremy Nell escribió: 1. I have an illustration with a few layers (lines and colours). 2. I drag and drop, let's say, an image of a TV onto the illustration. 3. I move the TV's layer down to below all the layers, so that it's at the bottom and appears partly behind, say, a cabinet. 4. I want to scale and rotate it so that it looks better (still behind the cabinet). I click the Rotate tool. 5. When I rotate the TV, it no longer appears behind all the other layers (and, thus, behind the cabinet). It appears as if it were the top most layer and, thus, in front of the cabinet. Is there a way to make it NOT do that? This is because I physically can't see behind it, so my rotating becomes guesswork; if my rotation is wrong, then I undo and try again, which becomes a bit tedious. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
Rotating and scaling a layer should not affect the opacity and layer positioning, logically. On 26/01/2011 11:28, peter kostov wrote: I don't have a solution, but would like to second this - it is really counter productive. The layer should indeed stay where it is and do not change settings like opacity, etc. Peter On 01/26/2011 10:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? On 21/01/2011 12:33, Jeremy Nell wrote: Thanks. That does help, but not completely, because the more you lessen the opacity, the less of the preview you can see. It still appears on top of all the layers, rather than in the layer where it was originally positioned (in this case, at the bottom). On 21/01/2011 12:20, Mikel Garai wrote: The rotate tool have an opacity slider for the preview in the tool options dialog. El 21/01/11 11:16, Jeremy Nell escribió: 1. I have an illustration with a few layers (lines and colours). 2. I drag and drop, let's say, an image of a TV onto the illustration. 3. I move the TV's layer down to below all the layers, so that it's at the bottom and appears partly behind, say, a cabinet. 4. I want to scale and rotate it so that it looks better (still behind the cabinet). I click the Rotate tool. 5. When I rotate the TV, it no longer appears behind all the other layers (and, thus, behind the cabinet). It appears as if it were the top most layer and, thus, in front of the cabinet. Is there a way to make it NOT do that? This is because I physically can't see behind it, so my rotating becomes guesswork; if my rotation is wrong, then I undo and try again, which becomes a bit tedious. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
On 01/26/2011 09:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? The Scale and Rotate tools have an opacity slider for the preview... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
Except that the opacity slider makes it tougher to see the preview as the opacity is made less. But that's besides the point. 1. If I've set the opacity of the layer, then the opacity of that layer should remain as is when I scale / rotate. 2. When I scale / rotate, the layer's position in the stack should remain in its place, rather than suddenly appear at the top of every layer when being rotated / scaled. Surely, this is a reasonable request? On 26/01/2011 12:06, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/26/2011 09:22 AM, Jeremy Nell wrote: The more I work in Gimp, the more I realise that this is something that needs to be looked at by the developers, as it is not very intuitive. Again, I've found how the focus of the image being rotated / scaled interferes with the rest of the working area. For example, if I set a particular layer's opacity to 20% and the layer is at the bottom of all other layers, why, then, does the opacity become 100% and the layer suddenly appear on top of all other layers? This makes it very difficult to work efficiently. Is there a way to fix this / work around it? The Scale and Rotate tools have an opacity slider for the preview... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy Nell jeremyn...@gmail.com wrote: But that's besides the point. 1. If I've set the opacity of the layer, then the opacity of that layer should remain as is when I scale / rotate. 2. When I scale / rotate, the layer's position in the stack should remain in its place, rather than suddenly appear at the top of every layer when being rotated / scaled. Surely, this is a reasonable request? It indeed is, and this should eventually solve itself as GEGL is more properly integrated with the layer stack of GIMP and what is shown is no longer a preview but the actual result. For now the preview is a hack that provides better visual feedback than just a bounding box or a wireframe grid. /Øyvind K. -- «The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed» -- William Gibson http://pippin.gimp.org/ http://ffii.org/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
1. I have an illustration with a few layers (lines and colours). 2. I drag and drop, let's say, an image of a TV onto the illustration. 3. I move the TV's layer down to below all the layers, so that it's at the bottom and appears partly behind, say, a cabinet. 4. I want to scale and rotate it so that it looks better (still behind the cabinet). I click the Rotate tool. 5. When I rotate the TV, it no longer appears behind all the other layers (and, thus, behind the cabinet). It appears as if it were the top most layer and, thus, in front of the cabinet. Is there a way to make it NOT do that? This is because I physically can't see behind it, so my rotating becomes guesswork; if my rotation is wrong, then I undo and try again, which becomes a bit tedious. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
The rotate tool have an opacity slider for the preview in the tool options dialog. El 21/01/11 11:16, Jeremy Nell escribió: 1. I have an illustration with a few layers (lines and colours). 2. I drag and drop, let's say, an image of a TV onto the illustration. 3. I move the TV's layer down to below all the layers, so that it's at the bottom and appears partly behind, say, a cabinet. 4. I want to scale and rotate it so that it looks better (still behind the cabinet). I click the Rotate tool. 5. When I rotate the TV, it no longer appears behind all the other layers (and, thus, behind the cabinet). It appears as if it were the top most layer and, thus, in front of the cabinet. Is there a way to make it NOT do that? This is because I physically can't see behind it, so my rotating becomes guesswork; if my rotation is wrong, then I undo and try again, which becomes a bit tedious. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling / rotating images and focus
Thanks. That does help, but not completely, because the more you lessen the opacity, the less of the preview you can see. It still appears on top of all the layers, rather than in the layer where it was originally positioned (in this case, at the bottom). On 21/01/2011 12:20, Mikel Garai wrote: The rotate tool have an opacity slider for the preview in the tool options dialog. El 21/01/11 11:16, Jeremy Nell escribió: 1. I have an illustration with a few layers (lines and colours). 2. I drag and drop, let's say, an image of a TV onto the illustration. 3. I move the TV's layer down to below all the layers, so that it's at the bottom and appears partly behind, say, a cabinet. 4. I want to scale and rotate it so that it looks better (still behind the cabinet). I click the Rotate tool. 5. When I rotate the TV, it no longer appears behind all the other layers (and, thus, behind the cabinet). It appears as if it were the top most layer and, thus, in front of the cabinet. Is there a way to make it NOT do that? This is because I physically can't see behind it, so my rotating becomes guesswork; if my rotation is wrong, then I undo and try again, which becomes a bit tedious. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
