Re: Re: [gmx-users] distance options for g_cluster

2008-02-17 Thread OZGE ENGIN
Thank you Mark for your feedbacks. 
There is one more point that is not clear to me for the output of g_cluster, In 
the second column of the "cluster.log" of g_cluster, the same rmsd values are 
indicated for different clusters. What does it mean? Although these clusters 
have the same cut-off value, they are grouped in different clusters, Why?

Thank you.

 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Abraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:35:20 +1100
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] distance options for g_cluster

OZGE ENGIN wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to understand what type of distance can be used with g_cluster? 
> 
> In the manual, it is written that  RMS deviation after fitting or RMS 
> deviation of atom-pair distances can be used to define the distance between 
> structures in the first paragraph. 
> However, in the "other options" part, two options are indicated for 
> -dista option, which indicates the type of distance that will be used with  
> g_cluster. They are RMSD of distances or RMS deviation. Consequently, the 
> information in the "first paragraph" does not coincide with that given in the 
> "other options" part for -dista option. 
> 
> Maybe I could not understand. Could anyone explain this in a clearer way, 
> please?

I agree that it is not very clear what is meant in the documentation, 
and I have wondered myself what it means. This is one of the reasons 
that the source code is made available.

I had a quick look, and "-dista yes" looks like it implements the "RMS 
deviation of atom-pair distances" quoted above. That is, it forms an 
atom-pair distance matrix for each structure in the trajectory, and then 
does an all-against-all root-mean-square comparison of those matrices to 
generate the structure comparison matrix for clustering. You'd be well 
advised to verify that yourself. It's all in src/tools/gmx_cluster.c

Mark
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I had a quick look, and "-dista yes" looks like it implements the "RMS
deviation of atom-pair distances" quoted above. That is, it forms an
atom-pair distance matrix for each structure in the trajectory, and then
does an all-against-all root-mean-square comparison of those
Ozge Engin
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Re: [gmx-users] distance options for g_cluster

2008-02-17 Thread Mark Abraham

OZGE ENGIN wrote:

Hi all,

I am trying to understand what type of distance can be used with g_cluster? 

In the manual, it is written that  RMS deviation after fitting or RMS deviation of atom-pair distances can be used to define the distance between structures in the first paragraph. 
However, in the "other options" part, two options are indicated for 
-dista option, which indicates the type of distance that will be used with  g_cluster. They are RMSD of distances or RMS deviation. Consequently, the information in the "first paragraph" does not coincide with that given in the "other options" part for -dista option. 


Maybe I could not understand. Could anyone explain this in a clearer way, 
please?


I agree that it is not very clear what is meant in the documentation, 
and I have wondered myself what it means. This is one of the reasons 
that the source code is made available.


I had a quick look, and "-dista yes" looks like it implements the "RMS 
deviation of atom-pair distances" quoted above. That is, it forms an 
atom-pair distance matrix for each structure in the trajectory, and then 
does an all-against-all root-mean-square comparison of those matrices to 
generate the structure comparison matrix for clustering. You'd be well 
advised to verify that yourself. It's all in src/tools/gmx_cluster.c


Mark
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