Re: Deprecated libraries
On Tuesday 29 September 2009, Derek Atkins wrote: > Quoting Bill Nottingham : > > Derek Atkins (warl...@mit.edu) said: > >> Phil Longstaff writes: > >> > I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... > >> > features disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. > >> > GnomeDruid > >> > >> (libgnomeui) > >> > >> > is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. > >> > GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there > >> > >> are comments > >> > >> > in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk > >> > >> (tooltip on > >> > >> > each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of > >> > our dependencies. > >> > >> When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum > >> version of Gtk? > > > > GtkAssistant is from GTK+ 2.10. GtkToolTip is GTK+ 2.12. > > Thanks Bill. It's kinda what I was afraid of. > > I think I can convince myself that it's okay to require gtk-2.10. > I'm not sure about 2.12. What version does Ubuntu 8.04 have? > I think we'd blow RHEL-5 out of the water if we increase the > gtk requirement that far, wont we? > Ubuntu 8.04 LTS comes with 2.12.x, so it's more recent than RedHat. Geert ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Quoting Bill Nottingham : Derek Atkins (warl...@mit.edu) said: >>When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum >>version of Gtk? > >GtkAssistant is from GTK+ 2.10. GtkToolTip is GTK+ 2.12. Thanks Bill. It's kinda what I was afraid of. I think I can convince myself that it's okay to require gtk-2.10. I'm not sure about 2.12. What version does Ubuntu 8.04 have? I think we'd blow RHEL-5 out of the water if we increase the gtk requirement that far, wont we? RHEL 5 ships gtk-2.10.x, yes. Answering my own question, ub8.04 has 2.12, but I don't think we should ignore el5.. So like I said I'm happy to drop everything pre-el5 and increase our gtk requirement to 2.10, but I think 2.12 is too new. So Phil, that means we cannot use GtkToolTip and have to continue using the old GtkTooltips... Unless you want to copy the new API into a compatibility library like we did for lib/glib28 etc? But minimum requirement should be gtk-2.10. Thanks, Bill -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Derek Atkins (warl...@mit.edu) said: > >>When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum > >>version of Gtk? > > > >GtkAssistant is from GTK+ 2.10. GtkToolTip is GTK+ 2.12. > > Thanks Bill. It's kinda what I was afraid of. > > I think I can convince myself that it's okay to require gtk-2.10. > I'm not sure about 2.12. What version does Ubuntu 8.04 have? > I think we'd blow RHEL-5 out of the water if we increase the > gtk requirement that far, wont we? RHEL 5 ships gtk-2.10.x, yes. Bill ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Quoting Bill Nottingham : Derek Atkins (warl...@mit.edu) said: Phil Longstaff writes: > I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... features > disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. GnomeDruid (libgnomeui) > is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. > GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there are comments > in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk (tooltip on > each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of our > dependencies. When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum version of Gtk? GtkAssistant is from GTK+ 2.10. GtkToolTip is GTK+ 2.12. Thanks Bill. It's kinda what I was afraid of. I think I can convince myself that it's okay to require gtk-2.10. I'm not sure about 2.12. What version does Ubuntu 8.04 have? I think we'd blow RHEL-5 out of the water if we increase the gtk requirement that far, wont we? Bill -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Derek Atkins (warl...@mit.edu) said: > Phil Longstaff writes: > > > I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... features > > disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. GnomeDruid > > (libgnomeui) > > is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. > > GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there are > > comments > > in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk (tooltip > > on > > each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of our > > dependencies. > > When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum > version of Gtk? GtkAssistant is from GTK+ 2.10. GtkToolTip is GTK+ 2.12. Bill ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Phil, What I meant was: Are these new APIs available in Gtk 2.6 (which is our current minimum version of Gtk). If the code wont still build against Gtk 2.6 then we should consider changing the configure script to something more recent or fixing the code to make sure we retain gtk-2.6 support. -derek Phil Longstaff writes: > I think our current version of Gtk hasn't changed. > > Re e-guile reports: I think the first e-guile report is in 2.3.X, but I > haven't really tested to see if it is or how it works. > > Phil > > ━━ > From: Derek Atkins > To: Phil Longstaff > Cc: Geert Janssens ; gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:14 AM > Subject: Re: Deprecated libraries > > Phil Longstaff writes: > >> I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... features >> disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. GnomeDruid > (libgnomeui) >> is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. >> GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there are > comments >> in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk (tooltip > on >> each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of our >> dependencies. > > When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum > version of Gtk? > >> Re major versions: 2.4 will have the new db backend and webkit instead of >> gtkhtml. I think 2.6 should have new reports (Chris Dennis' eguile-based >> reports) and register rewrite. > > I thought the basic e-guile reports were in 2.4.. Are you saying they > are not? Or are you saying that a full conversion of all reports to > eguile would wait? Personally I think we should just have a mix; I'm > not convinced all reports require a conversion to e-guile. > >> Phil > > -derek > > -- > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IAN1NWH > warl...@mit.eduPGP key available > -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
I think our current version of Gtk hasn't changed. Re e-guile reports: I think the first e-guile report is in 2.3.X, but I haven't really tested to see if it is or how it works. Phil From: Derek Atkins To: Phil Longstaff Cc: Geert Janssens ; gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:14 AM Subject: Re: Deprecated libraries Phil Longstaff writes: > I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... features > disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. GnomeDruid (libgnomeui) > is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. > GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there are comments > in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk (tooltip on > each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of our > dependencies. When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum version of Gtk? > Re major versions: 2.4 will have the new db backend and webkit instead of > gtkhtml. I think 2.6 should have new reports (Chris Dennis' eguile-based > reports) and register rewrite. I thought the basic e-guile reports were in 2.4.. Are you saying they are not? Or are you saying that a full conversion of all reports to eguile would wait? Personally I think we should just have a mix; I'm not convinced all reports require a conversion to e-guile. > Phil -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Phil Longstaff writes: > I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... features > disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. GnomeDruid (libgnomeui) > is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. > GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there are comments > in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk (tooltip on > each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of our > dependencies. When were these new interfaces added to Gtk? Do we have a new minimum version of Gtk? > Re major versions: 2.4 will have the new db backend and webkit instead of > gtkhtml. I think 2.6 should have new reports (Chris Dennis' eguile-based > reports) and register rewrite. I thought the basic e-guile reports were in 2.4.. Are you saying they are not? Or are you saying that a full conversion of all reports to eguile would wait? Personally I think we should just have a mix; I'm not convinced all reports require a conversion to e-guile. > Phil -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
On September 25, 2009 07:00:29 pm John Ralls wrote: > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Phil Longstaff wrote: > > Re major versions: 2.4 will have the new db backend and webkit > > instead of gtkhtml. I think 2.6 should have new reports (Chris > > Dennis' eguile-based reports) and register rewrite. > > Apropos webkit instead of gtkhtml, Gnucash-2.3.5's configure demands > gtkhtml even with html-engine=webkit. The error when it's not present > is: > > checking GOFFICE_LIBS... -L/opt/gnucash-2.3.x/lib -lgoffice-0.8 > checking for libgtkhtml-3.14... no > configure: error: Goffice uses Cairo/GtkPrint but didn't find GtkHTML > with GtkPrint support > > Is that because webkit integration isn't complete yet, or because > configure.in needs to be adjusted? That's a bug in configure.in Phil ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Phil Longstaff wrote: Re major versions: 2.4 will have the new db backend and webkit instead of gtkhtml. I think 2.6 should have new reports (Chris Dennis' eguile-based reports) and register rewrite. Apropos webkit instead of gtkhtml, Gnucash-2.3.5's configure demands gtkhtml even with html-engine=webkit. The error when it's not present is: checking GOFFICE_LIBS... -L/opt/gnucash-2.3.x/lib -lgoffice-0.8 checking for libgtkhtml-3.14... no configure: error: Goffice uses Cairo/GtkPrint but didn't find GtkHTML with GtkPrint support Is that because webkit integration isn't complete yet, or because configure.in needs to be adjusted? Regards, John Ralls ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
I tried a build last night with deprecated gnome/glib/gtk/gdk/... features disabled. I submitted a patch for one simple change. GnomeDruid (libgnomeui) is deprecated in favor of GtkAssistant. I logged a bug for this one. GtkTooltips is deprecated in favor of GtkTooltip. However, there are comments in the code to the effect that some needed features aren't in Gtk (tooltip on each item of a combo box). Others, as Derek says, are dependencies of our dependencies. Re major versions: 2.4 will have the new db backend and webkit instead of gtkhtml. I think 2.6 should have new reports (Chris Dennis' eguile-based reports) and register rewrite. Phil From: Derek Atkins To: Geert Janssens Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:00:48 AM Subject: Re: Deprecated libraries Hi, Geert Janssens writes: [snip] > What's the state of these libraries in GnuCash ? If I run an ldd on the 2.3.5 > binary, it still links to most of these libraries. Many of these libraries are used indirectly (e.g., they are dependencies of our dependencies). However I know the register DOES use the gnome canvas. Which means the Register Rewrite branch needs to complete before this move can finish. > I'm just thinking out loud here. Gnome 2.30 or 2.32 will become Gnome 3.0 > according to the release notes. This means Gnome 3.0 will hit some major > distributions in about 1 year. So in about 1 year there will be gnome > installations that no longer carry these deprecated libraries, and hence > break > GnuCash as it is now. > > GnuCash in working towards a new major release (2.4). Personally, I don't > expect GnuCash to do another major release in a one year timeframe. And I > assume a minor release is not the proper place to go on changing library > dependencies. > > So I was wondering, is the 2.4 release not the best time to remove GnuCash' > dependency on these deprecated libraries ? I don't think we should worry about this for 2.4. HOWEVER I do think that AFTER 2.4 we should try to finish the register rewrite and perform a gnome-3 migration for a future GnuCash 2.6 or 3.0. > Geert -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: Deprecated libraries
Hi, Geert Janssens writes: [snip] > What's the state of these libraries in GnuCash ? If I run an ldd on the 2.3.5 > binary, it still links to most of these libraries. Many of these libraries are used indirectly (e.g., they are dependencies of our dependencies). However I know the register DOES use the gnome canvas. Which means the Register Rewrite branch needs to complete before this move can finish. > I'm just thinking out loud here. Gnome 2.30 or 2.32 will become Gnome 3.0 > according to the release notes. This means Gnome 3.0 will hit some major > distributions in about 1 year. So in about 1 year there will be gnome > installations that no longer carry these deprecated libraries, and hence > break > GnuCash as it is now. > > GnuCash in working towards a new major release (2.4). Personally, I don't > expect GnuCash to do another major release in a one year timeframe. And I > assume a minor release is not the proper place to go on changing library > dependencies. > > So I was wondering, is the 2.4 release not the best time to remove GnuCash' > dependency on these deprecated libraries ? I don't think we should worry about this for 2.4. HOWEVER I do think that AFTER 2.4 we should try to finish the register rewrite and perform a gnome-3 migration for a future GnuCash 2.6 or 3.0. > Geert -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Deprecated libraries
While reading the release notes of the just release gnome 2.28, my eye caught this paragraph: Fixing Usage of Deprecated Libraries Starting with GNOME 3.0, various deprecated parts of GNOME will be removed. These deprecated components include libraries such as libart_lgpl, libbonobo, libbonoboui, libglade, libgnome, libgnomecanvas, libgnomeprint, libgnomeprintui, libgnomeui and libgnomevfs. For applications that ship as part of the GNOME Desktop, a number of cleanup tasks [1] have been carried out to ensure no deprecated code is used. This will ensure the smooth transition to GNOME 3.0. Developers are strongly urged to follow this example in their own applications too. Furthermore, for any developers (or potential developers) who wish to help us out, the GNOME goals [1] wiki page lists the various tasks that are yet to be completed. An automatically created and updated status overview of remaining work for modules that are supported by the JHBuild build tool can be found here [2]. What's the state of these libraries in GnuCash ? If I run an ldd on the 2.3.5 binary, it still links to most of these libraries. I'm just thinking out loud here. Gnome 2.30 or 2.32 will become Gnome 3.0 according to the release notes. This means Gnome 3.0 will hit some major distributions in about 1 year. So in about 1 year there will be gnome installations that no longer carry these deprecated libraries, and hence break GnuCash as it is now. GnuCash in working towards a new major release (2.4). Personally, I don't expect GnuCash to do another major release in a one year timeframe. And I assume a minor release is not the proper place to go on changing library dependencies. So I was wondering, is the 2.4 release not the best time to remove GnuCash' dependency on these deprecated libraries ? Geert -- [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals [2] http://www.gnome.org/~fpeters/299.html ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
