[Goanet] Tidyness abroad

2013-09-12 Thread Bernice.

Question that always bogs me is what is the cause of the dirty mess we create 
on the roads and environment in India. Dubai for example is teaming with 
Indians and Pakis. The roads metros etc. are spotlessly clean...more cleaner 
even than some European countries. Why can't these very same people keep follow 
these habits when they come to their own country.  It is because the system 
allows them to be that way...nobody cares.  If one lives in a messy environment 
around, one tends to also get messy. The garbage in Goa reaches unthinkable 
proportions during the season. It is very very important that garbage trucks 
clear the junk in plastic bags regularly from very village or a fixed location 
in every part of the village. Have seen this work beautifully in Austria.

Bernice




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Re: [Goanet] Tidyness abroad

2013-09-12 Thread floriano lobo

Bernice dear,

The same Indians and Pakis et al will dare not mess up the place like Dubai, 
Singapore etc,  not because they cannot do it, but because they cannot get 
away doing it. In Singapore, a S$500/- is slapped on you even for discarding 
a cigarette butt. It is known as a 'fine country'. In Dubai, if caught and 
which is inevitable because no one knows who is watching, one either goes to 
the can, gets deported or heavily fined. This is called DETERRENT. But 
deterrents work wonderfully along with facilities. Austria is a funny place, 
my daughter tells me. When my wife visited her, what intrigued her was that 
the  best of things which one wants to discard, like shoes, tvs, books what 
have you, these find their way over to the bin next door. Watching bums pick 
up what they want was fun, she tells me. The rest goes into the garbage 
truck.  GSRP is designed  with a WORLD VIEW as experiences of 25 years of 
going around the world and noticing things has found it's way into the 
design of the Party. W.r.t. garbage and litter or spitting paan in Goa, it 
will be most difficult, even to the extent of throwing God's flowers into 
rivers from bridges. There will be hundreds of paid and certified 'marshals' 
who will book people for littering. Half of the fines that they collect will 
go to them as incentive to become a marshal.  And no one will be able to 
mess with a certified marshal. The moment s/he flashes the badge, things are 
over. We need discipline back into the governance of Goa. As I often say, 
'we do not want the Portuguese back but  badly need their no-nonsense 
discipline back. I have told this to Barka Dhutt  at a show shot  at 
Calangute/Baga Beach  after Scarlet Keeling's death.


Once in Poland, our 3rd Engineer failed to return to the  ship from his 
evening's outing. He was in the lock-up for urinating in the park. The 
Captain had to go and get his release the next day paying heavy fine. This 
guy would never pee in the open (except in India) even if his bladder was 
bursting. :-).  I am talking of this type of discipline.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org


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Question that always bogs me is what is the cause of the dirty mess we 
create on the roads and environment in India. Dubai for example is teaming 
with Indians and Pakis. The roads metros etc. are spotlessly clean...more 
cleaner even than some European countries. Why can't these very same people 
keep follow these habits when they come to their own country.  It is because 
the system allows them to be that way...nobody cares.  If one lives in a 
messy environment around, one tends to also get messy. The garbage in Goa 
reaches unthinkable proportions during the season. It is very very important 
that garbage trucks clear the junk in plastic bags regularly from very 
village or a fixed location in every part of the village. Have seen this 
work beautifully in Austria.


Bernice




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[Goanet] Tidyness abroad

2013-09-12 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão


Bernice. bernicepereira at gmail.com on Thu Sep 12 00:19:19
PDT 2013 wrote:


Question that always bogs me is what is the cause of the dirty mess we
create on the roads and environment in India. Dubai for example is teaming with
Indians and Pakis. The roads metros etc. are spotlessly clean...more cleaner
even than some European countries. Why can't these very same people keep follow
these habits when they come to their own country….

 

COMMENT:

Don’t know which century you’ve seen Dubai.

When I first  in 1988, I could say it resembled so.

But when I frequently travelled from 1997 onwards; it was like Bombay ‘gallys’!

Go check the ‘Al Fahidi’ street; it is all garbage as well as all walls
and street s painted red with ‘paan’ spit! Something that wasn’t there before.
Surely not the Pakistanis! Nor were there anymore the open spaces that I had
seen, over which now stand buildings.

Abu Dhabi is much cleaner because there are less Indians, as well as there
is a fine of Dh. 500 if you litter around, which includes a taxi driver if a 
passenger
throws out litter/cigarette butt travelling in it. Hanging of clothes for 
drying too in
the veranda, etc, facing the road invites fines. 

Can India enforce such laws; even though we have laws on spitting in
public places?

Guess spitting is “custom” in India as the police and even the educated
themselves indulge.



Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. 
  

[Goanet] Tidyness abroad.

2013-09-11 Thread eric pinto


     In little towns, litter, rare, does get picked up.
Harry Pickles, 75, retired Birmingham police officer, walks around Assagao with 
a long-handle
tong and bag, picking up native thrash.      eric.


Camillo Fernandes camillofernandes at hotmail.com on Tue Sep
10 23:54:01 PDT 2013 wrote:

“Foreigners pick up brooms, to sweep Panaji streets.

Where are the Goans ?”



POINTS TO PONDER:

Has anyone the statistics of how many Goans sweep the streets the world
over?

Do these foreigners sweep the streets back home?



Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.