[hackers] Code, Code, Code.
Gentlepeople, 1] We are developing a toolkit using open source tools. Free. As in speech AND beer. 2] The toolkit will include the simplest, most portable installation process we can provide. 3] Nodes built with the toolkit will encourage users to spin off new nodes fractally. 4] Anyone who wants to use/steal the tools to use for any other campaign will do so. 5] The Dean campaign is not a user of the kit and not even a beta tester. Some of us will be. The campaign is ONLY the first beneficiary of the first beta nodes. 6] The business of Hosting has nothing to do with our effort. After the kit is done, anybody can do whatever they want with it. If anyone on this list wants to host the kit and make FEC filings (or not), that's their business. It is not the business of this list, which is firewalled from hosting issues in fact, in our process, in our interest and under the law. 7] Dialogue expended on hosting issues is stolen from coding. 8] Lawyers can't hack code - they're way out of their depth. Hackers can't lawyer - Ditto. Zephyr wants us to work with them as they introduce us to concepts beyond our experience, like "flyering" and "tabling" and "canvassing". Things we need to know to help our future users (perhaps including individuals in this list) to serve one campaign or another. They want to be able to refer people to tools they've helped envision. Why would we hinder our work by speculating on activities that our group as a whole will never pursue? IMHO, Britt
Re: [hackers] Code, Code, Code.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:37:06PM -0400, Britt Blaser wrote: > Why would we hinder our work by speculating on activities that our > group as a whole will never pursue? My snap reaction to that is that it isn't all that useful to build a car until you have (or know you will have) roads to drive on. Given the target market, certainly *someone* has to be thinking about it, and according to the website, a4d was that someone. Could someone elaborate on the distinction between a4d and h4d, cause maybe I missed it... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] Code, Code, Code.
Britt said it much more succinctly than I did. I agree with this 100%. cheers -josh Gentlepeople, 1] We are developing a toolkit using open source tools. Free. As in speech AND beer. 2] The toolkit will include the simplest, most portable installation process we can provide. 3] Nodes built with the toolkit will encourage users to spin off new nodes fractally. 4] Anyone who wants to use/steal the tools to use for any other campaign will do so. 5] The Dean campaign is not a user of the kit and not even a beta tester. Some of us will be. The campaign is ONLY the first beneficiary of the first beta nodes. 6] The business of Hosting has nothing to do with our effort. After the kit is done, anybody can do whatever they want with it. If anyone on this list wants to host the kit and make FEC filings (or not), that's their business. It is not the business of this list, which is firewalled from hosting issues in fact, in our process, in our interest and under the law. 7] Dialogue expended on hosting issues is stolen from coding. 8] Lawyers can't hack code - they're way out of their depth. Hackers can't lawyer - Ditto. Zephyr wants us to work with them as they introduce us to concepts beyond our experience, like "flyering" and "tabling" and "canvassing". Things we need to know to help our future users (perhaps including individuals in this list) to serve one campaign or another. They want to be able to refer people to tools they've helped envision. Why would we hinder our work by speculating on activities that our group as a whole will never pursue? IMHO, Britt Politics is the art of controlling your environment. Participate! Elect Howard Dean President in 2004! http://www.outlandishjosh.com/politics/dean/
Re: [hackers] Code, Code, Code (and hosting?)
Absolutely my last post on this matter (no, really) >6] The business of Hosting has nothing to do with our effort. After the kit is done, anybody can do whatever they want with it. If anyone on this list wants to host the kit and make FEC filings (or not), that's their business. It is not the business of this list, which is firewalled from hosting issues in fact, in our process, in our interest >and under the law. As Brit graciously indicated, her above opinion on this unsettled issue is just that. Although I may be the one guilty of reviving this monster (apologies offered), I -as previously stated- am not pro or anti-hosting, just pro-consensus. As a techie that started out putting technically "clueless" non-profits online, though, I can appreciate the position of those who want to make it a no-brainer experience for orgs (read: no have to spend tight funding to hire geeks like me experience). As geeks, it's important to understand this: you are often dealing with people who, though otherwise astute activist dynamos, have to be told to plug the damn thing in. seriously. Perhaps this can o' worms has reached the esteemed level of a hack4dean poll? Discuss among yourselves... >Zephyr wants us to work with them as they introduce us to concepts beyond our experience, like "flyering" and "tabling" and "canvassing". Things we need to know to help our future users (perhaps including individuals in this list) to serve one campaign or another. They want >to be able to refer people to tools they've helped envision. I was tabling, flyering, and canvassing for causes long before I was a geek, thank you Cheers CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
