Re: [Haskell-cafe] darcs: the first haskell tool more popular than Haskell itself?
Iavor Diatchki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: (snip) > yet another thing (and this is debian specific) is that i > use the darcs distributed with debian, which is old but works fine, The darcs shipped w/ Debian "Stable" might be oldish, but that's the darcs that was available when Debian was frozen. The Debian unstable version is 1.0.5 (the newest), and testing should be there soon. If you're using stable, you can configure your system so that you can say: apt-get install darcs/unstable So it'll just get the unstable darcs and keep everything else as stable. peace, isaac ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] darcs: the first haskell tool more popular than Haskell itself?
On 1/24/06, Jared Updike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What happened to "Avoid success at all costs?" [1] > > Jared. > > [1] seventh slide, Simon Peyton Jones, > http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/papers/haskell-retrospective/ I was unaware of that motto. It looks like we'd better do something to make darcs harder to use. Josh ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] darcs: the first haskell tool more popular than Haskell itself?
JH> To me, it's a sign that Haskell may finally be on the road to wider JH> acceptance. The fact that there is now an application that is used by JH> more than just Haskell hackers is cause for surprise and rejoicing for JH> this Haskell newcomer. What happened to "Avoid success at all costs?" [1] Jared. [1] seventh slide, Simon Peyton Jones, http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/papers/haskell-retrospective/ -- http://www.updike.org/~jared/ reverse ")-:" ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] darcs: the first haskell tool more popular than Haskell itself?
Iavor, >On 1/24/06, Isaac Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Debian has a system called popularity-contest, which is an opt-in >> survey of package use. I was curious to see the ranking of darcs >> among Haskell implementations themselves. The results: Darcs ranks >> higher than ghc and hugs. On 1/24/06, Iavor Diatchki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is this really surprising? compilers (for any language) are only of > interest to developers, while most applications written in the > language have a wide user base [...] To me, it's a sign that Haskell may finally be on the road to wider acceptance. The fact that there is now an application that is used by more than just Haskell hackers is cause for surprise and rejoicing for this Haskell newcomer. Josh ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] darcs: the first haskell tool more popular than Haskell itself?
(note: these are just some random thoughts to get the day started :-)) hi, is this really surprising? compilers (for any language) are only of interest to developers, while most applications written in the language have a wide user base, so i would assume that there are many situations where this holds (internet explorer more popular than visual c++?). of course, darcs itself is a tool aimed at developers, but again, haskell developers are a subset of all the developers that can use it. yet another thing (and this is debian specific) is that i use the darcs distributed with debian, which is old but works fine, but i don't use the ghc distributed with debian because it is old, and somewhat broken. still, it is good to know that a tool written in haskell is doing so well, but this is not surprising either, because after all, haskell is a pretty cool programming language. -iavor On 1/24/06, Isaac Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings, > > Debian has a system called popularity-contest, which is an opt-in > survey of package use. I was curious to see the ranking of darcs > among Haskell implementations themselves. The results: Darcs ranks > higher than ghc and hugs. > > # is the package name; > # is the number of people who installed this package; > # is the number of people who use this package regularly; > # is the number of people who installed, but don't use this package > # regularly; > # is the number of people who upgraded this package recently; > # is the number of people whose entry didn't contain enough > # information (atime and ctime were 0). > > > #rank nameinst vote old recent no-files > (maintainer) > 138 darcs563 159 280 124 0 (Isaac > Jones) > (51) hugs 304 119 15728 0 (Isaac > Jones) > 321 ghc6 194818033 0 (Ian > Lynagh) > > Hugs is listed in a different category, so the ranking is off. > > Ian Lynagh pointed me at this nice graph showing the historical > installation of the three packages: > > http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=ghc6,darcs,hugs&show_installed=on&want_percent=on&want_legend=on&beenhere=1 > > peace, > > isaac > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] darcs: the first haskell tool more popular than Haskell itself?
Greetings, Debian has a system called popularity-contest, which is an opt-in survey of package use. I was curious to see the ranking of darcs among Haskell implementations themselves. The results: Darcs ranks higher than ghc and hugs. # is the package name; # is the number of people who installed this package; # is the number of people who use this package regularly; # is the number of people who installed, but don't use this package # regularly; # is the number of people who upgraded this package recently; # is the number of people whose entry didn't contain enough # information (atime and ctime were 0). #rank nameinst vote old recent no-files (maintainer) 138 darcs563 159 280 124 0 (Isaac Jones) (51) hugs 304 119 15728 0 (Isaac Jones) 321 ghc6 194818033 0 (Ian Lynagh) Hugs is listed in a different category, so the ranking is off. Ian Lynagh pointed me at this nice graph showing the historical installation of the three packages: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=ghc6,darcs,hugs&show_installed=on&want_percent=on&want_legend=on&beenhere=1 peace, isaac ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
