[hlcoders] Motion mapper
I'm a bit confused as to why the source and binary of the tool motionmaper.exe completely do not match whats in the SDK docs at: http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/models/motion_mapper.html The -templateFile option is not in the source or exe, nor are any of the template files mentioned included. :/ I'm very excited to give this tool a go a we have a lot of character models that don't match the scale & proportions of CSS rigs (which we would like to use the base anims from). Justin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Re: Re: 3 round
What the man is saying is that in real life, if you switch to the burst mode from automatic or any other selection that it starts counting and doesn't reset until the next trigger release. IE- if you depress the trigger, firing one shot, and switch to burst without releasing you will only be able to fire 2 bullets the next time you press the trigger down. Every time there after you will be firing 3. unless you release the trigger before they all come out. Thanks Again --- --- Robert I Chatman III --- www.swallowbush.com --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- (408) 569-4436 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Valve or someone who might know
Yea I figured as much, Valve working on a fix for this? r00t 3:16 CQC Gaming www.cqc-gaming.com - Original Message - From: "Daniel Jennings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Valve or someone who might know This is already being practiced. Players replace the texture information files with ones for glass, giving them an undetectable wallhack. - Original Message - From: "r00t 3:16" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [hlcoders] Valve or someone who might know When you download a map from the server it is just the BSP file correct? Also what if someone removed their textures they would just see checkers everywhere. That could be used for cheating really.. The server does not enforce textures being present on the client, I have tested it in css but for the mod I am working on it allowed players to join the server and play and they didn't have all the textures. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? r00t 3:16 CQC Gaming www.cqc-gaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] CreateMaterial, KeyValues...
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Hi again. I have already succesfully finished the night vision using
shaders. I have created a dummy vmt material (well, it is not actually
dummy, as it has a variable used by the shader), but I do not want to give
people the chance to cheat with it, so I think that the best choice is to
create the material inside the code, thanks to the IMaterial
*CreateMaterial( const char *pMaterialName, KeyValues *pVMTKeyValues )
function. I would bind it to my shader using void SetShader( const char
*pShaderName ). The question comes now. How does KeyValues work? I mean, if
I have this:
"My_shader"
{
"$var1" "0.5"
"$var2" "1.5"
"$var3" "2"
"$var4" "1.7"
"$var5" "1"
}
How can I create KeyValues to create that material? It may sound silly, but
what is the relationship between "Name" and "firstKey" in the constructors?
(are they parent-child?).
In my example, if I set Name as "My_shader", would be it enough for
CreateMaterial to know which shader to use? Otherwise I would have to call
SetShader.
If I want to get a value, do I have to find "firstKey"? As I can guess, when
I call functions like SetFloat or SetString, new keys are created as
sub-keys, and stored at the end of that sub-key list. Isn´t it like that?
As you see, I´m quite lost with KeyValues, hehe.
Finally, the last question (at last!): does IMaterial *CreateMaterial( const
char *pMaterialName, KeyValues *pVMTKeyValues ) "store" a reference to this
material in materialsystem so that I can use materials->FindMaterial
anywhere in my code?
Thank you for your time
Regards,
Ignacio Martin
FIRE WAR MOD - Spanish HL2 Modification
www.firewar.net
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Re: [hlcoders] Valve or someone who might know
This is already being practiced. Players replace the texture information files with ones for glass, giving them an undetectable wallhack. - Original Message - From: "r00t 3:16" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [hlcoders] Valve or someone who might know > When you download a map from the server it is just the BSP file correct? > > Also what if someone removed their textures they would just see checkers > everywhere. That could be used for cheating really.. The server does not > enforce textures being present on the client, I have tested it in css but > for the mod I am working on it allowed players to join the server and play > and they didn't have all the textures. > > Is there a way to prevent this from happening? > > r00t 3:16 > CQC Gaming > www.cqc-gaming.com > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Modifying The Lost Cost
HDR will be added to all source games...Half-Life 2...CS:S...DOD:S...HL2DM..etc.. Doug Lombardi said it on G4TV... On 5/11/05, Adam amckern Mckern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm just wondering what people needs to do, to be able > to mod "The Lost Coast" when its out in a few months. > > I'm only going on the PCG interview, but what are the > "4 Levels" that are used in the textures? > > Second, will there be a sdk, or will teams just be > able to add maps? > > Will HDR be ported to d0d:s, cs:s, hl2/dm, etc? > > I'm just trying to work out what code base to build my > mod on, and the more infomation i have the better > informed my choices > > Thanks > > Adam > > http://ammahls.com > > __ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Valve or someone who might know
When you download a map from the server it is just the BSP file correct? Also what if someone removed their textures they would just see checkers everywhere. That could be used for cheating really.. The server does not enforce textures being present on the client, I have tested it in css but for the mod I am working on it allowed players to join the server and play and they didn't have all the textures. Is there a way to prevent this from happening? r00t 3:16 CQC Gaming www.cqc-gaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Modifying The Lost Cost
I'm just wondering what people needs to do, to be able to mod "The Lost Coast" when its out in a few months. I'm only going on the PCG interview, but what are the "4 Levels" that are used in the textures? Second, will there be a sdk, or will teams just be able to add maps? Will HDR be ported to d0d:s, cs:s, hl2/dm, etc? I'm just trying to work out what code base to build my mod on, and the more infomation i have the better informed my choices Thanks Adam http://ammahls.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Linux compiling question
I ran nm server_i486.so > nm_out.txt and then grep -n " U " nm_out.txt and I get this: 1: U acosf@@GLIBC_2.0 2: U acos@@GLIBC_2.0 332: U asin@@GLIBC_2.0 387: U CommandLine 391: U cosf@@GLIBC_2.0 392: U cos@@GLIBC_2.0 440: U __cxa_allocate_exception 441: U __cxa_atexit@@GLIBC_2.1.3 444: U __cxa_begin_catch 445: U __cxa_call_unexpected 446: U __cxa_end_catch 448: U __cxa_free_exception 449: U __cxa_pure_virtual 450: U __cxa_rethrow 451: U __cxa_throw 458: U dcgettext@@GLIBC_2.0 467: U DevMsg 469: U DevWarning 472: U dlclose@@GLIBC_2.0 473: U dlerror@@GLIBC_2.0 474: U dlopen@@GLIBC_2.1 475: U dlsym@@GLIBC_2.0 489: U __dynamic_cast 617: U Error 622: U expf@@GLIBC_2.0 664: U free@@GLIBC_2.0 871: U g_ClockSpeedMillisecondsMultiplier 872: U g_ClockSpeedSecondsMultiplier 1049: U GetCPUInformation 1050: U getcwd@@GLIBC_2.0 1051: U getenv@@GLIBC_2.0 1715: U g_pMemAlloc 1838: U g_pVCR 1958: U g_VProfCurrentProfile 1963: U __gxx_personality_v0 2031: U isalnum@@GLIBC_2.0 2032: U isspace@@GLIBC_2.0 2073: U KeyValuesSystem 2089: U log10@@GLIBC_2.0 2090: U logf@@GLIBC_2.0 2091: U log@@GLIBC_2.0 2111: U malloc@@GLIBC_2.0 2120: U MemAllocScratch 2121: U memchr@@GLIBC_2.0 2122: U memcpy@@GLIBC_2.0 2123: U MemFreeScratch 2124: U memmove@@GLIBC_2.0 2125: U memset@@GLIBC_2.0 2152: U Msg 2403: U Plat_FloatTime 2445: U pow@@GLIBC_2.0 2475: U printf@@GLIBC_2.0 2511: U Q_atof 2512: U Q_atoi 2513: U Q_binarytohex 2514: U Q_FileBase 2515: U Q_FixSlashes 2516: U Q_IsAbsolutePath 2517: U Q_pretifymem 2518: U Q_SetExtension 2519: U Q_snprintf 2520: U qsort@@GLIBC_2.0 2521: U Q_strcasecmp 2522: U Q_strcat 2523: U Q_StripFilename 2524: U Q_stristr 2525: U Q_strncasecmp 2526: U Q_strncat 2527: U Q_strncmp 2528: U Q_strncpy 2529: U Q_strnicmp 2530: U Q_vsnprintf 2536: U RandomFloat 2537: U RandomInt (it goes on a while longer). So does this mean that these symbols are not resolvable in this .so ? What would cause that problem? On 5/11/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Linux .so files only resolve linker dependencies at runtime, you may > have undefined symbols (i.e missing functions) from your server code. > Use the "nm" tool to find out what is missing ( the "U" symbols in the > binary). > > - Alfred > > Original Message > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick > Flanagan Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:58 PM To: > hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlcoders] Linux compiling > question > > > After a long battle, I've finally gotten my mod to compile on Linux > > and it generates the server_i486.so file. > > > > However, when I try to run the linux server, it doesn't seem to be > > recognized and it loads the deathmatch .so instead. For a test, I > > replaced the server_i486.so in hl2mp/bin with my mod's server_i486.so > > and I got this error: > > > > ./srcds_run -console -game hl2ctf +map ctf_defrost +maxplayers 16 > > Auto detecting CPU Using AMD Optimised binary. > > Auto-restarting the server on crash > > > > Console initialized. > > Failed to load server_i486.so > > Failed to load server binary > > maxplayers set to 0 > > Network: IP 127.0.0.1, mode MP, dedicated Yes, ports 27015 SV / 27005 > > CL Failed to load server_i486.so Failed to load server binary Can't > > start game, no valid server.dll loaded > > > > > > I've put my mod's compiled server_i486.so file in the /mymod/bin > > directory and as a test also replaced the DM .so with it. My question > > is, why would the file not be able to load? It compiled fine and I > > didn't see any errors linking it, and I don't think the server is > > configured wrong because if I use the hl2mp server_i486.so at that > > same location then it works. > > > > What could be wrong with my mod's server_i486.so that causes it not > > to be loaded? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Patrick > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/m
Re: [hlcoders] Re: 3 round burst
Nowhere did I state I tried to know it all. I was showing YOU what I found. But then the insults have to come which show how mature you really are. I posted .mil sites as you suggested and they said the same thing. It fires 3 rounds automatically. Nowhere did I say I was right nore did I say any of you were wrong. I am going from what I have read and from my own personal experience. I guess you are the one who is trying to prove me wrong. Ok I am wrong, you are right, happy? Does that make you feel better? Freaking kills me about some of the people on this list who have to be jackasses. Just because someone disagrees with them. Right or wrong. I do not think ANY of my posts on this list suggest I am some super knowledgable person. As you pointed out no I did not really try to stop the burst from happening. But I do not remember having to hold the trigger either to fire 3 bursts. As I also said it was quite awhile back. Thanks omega for pointing this all out. I was not aware that burst's actually could be interrupted like that, and that you had to actually hold the trigger to fire the 3 rounds. I appologize. r00t 3:16 CQC Gaming www.cqc-gaming.com - Original Message - From: "Michael A. Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Re: 3 round burst root 3:16, Just for once, maybe you could stop pretending to be the all-knowing infallible font of knowledge you seem to think you are as demonstrated by at least half your posts to this list ? At 08:55 PM 5/10/2005, you wrote: >3 sites I went to .org's .mils have the same thing it fires 3 rounds automatically in burst mode. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic534.htm Link above is not to an actual training manual, wherein one might learn all the subtle nuances of the weapon. Are you suggesting that some random web pages are superior in authority to an actual scanned *US MARINE CLASS TRAINING MANUAL* ??? At any rate, I have shot the M16A2, when you pull and release it fires 3 rounds. Regardless if you pull and hold the trigger or just pull and release the trigger. Did you actually try to make it cut the bursts short ? Why do I find that hard to believe? I shall now quote from page 4 (top paragraph) of the M16A2 MILSPEC document for the M16A2 Assault Rifle: "MIL-R-63997B(AR) MILITARY SPECIFICATION Rifle, 5.56mm: M16A2", which is available from Armalite (the "AR" in AR-15) at the following URL: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/m16a2milspec.pdf quote: "... When the selector is placed in the "BURST" "position, it shall permit the automatic sear to engage the hammer, "so that the rifle is capable of burst firing. (One, two, or three "continuous shots the first time the trigger is pulled and held "back. Three continuous shots on the second and each successive "time the trigger is pulled and held back. One, two or three shots "if the trigger is released before completion of the three shot "cycle or all cartridges are expended before completion of the "three shot cycle.)" This is from the DoD manufacturing specification for the M16A2 dated 12 December 1986. Do you think you know more about this weapon than both the USMC and the DoD? Michael A. Hobson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (310) 344-3585 (cell) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Linux compiling question
Linux .so files only resolve linker dependencies at runtime, you may have undefined symbols (i.e missing functions) from your server code. Use the "nm" tool to find out what is missing ( the "U" symbols in the binary). - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Flanagan Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:58 PM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlcoders] Linux compiling question > After a long battle, I've finally gotten my mod to compile on Linux > and it generates the server_i486.so file. > > However, when I try to run the linux server, it doesn't seem to be > recognized and it loads the deathmatch .so instead. For a test, I > replaced the server_i486.so in hl2mp/bin with my mod's server_i486.so > and I got this error: > > ./srcds_run -console -game hl2ctf +map ctf_defrost +maxplayers 16 > Auto detecting CPU Using AMD Optimised binary. > Auto-restarting the server on crash > > Console initialized. > Failed to load server_i486.so > Failed to load server binary > maxplayers set to 0 > Network: IP 127.0.0.1, mode MP, dedicated Yes, ports 27015 SV / 27005 > CL Failed to load server_i486.so Failed to load server binary Can't > start game, no valid server.dll loaded > > > I've put my mod's compiled server_i486.so file in the /mymod/bin > directory and as a test also replaced the DM .so with it. My question > is, why would the file not be able to load? It compiled fine and I > didn't see any errors linking it, and I don't think the server is > configured wrong because if I use the hl2mp server_i486.so at that > same location then it works. > > What could be wrong with my mod's server_i486.so that causes it not > to be loaded? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Linux compiling question
After a long battle, I've finally gotten my mod to compile on Linux and it generates the server_i486.so file. However, when I try to run the linux server, it doesn't seem to be recognized and it loads the deathmatch .so instead. For a test, I replaced the server_i486.so in hl2mp/bin with my mod's server_i486.so and I got this error: ./srcds_run -console -game hl2ctf +map ctf_defrost +maxplayers 16 Auto detecting CPU Using AMD Optimised binary. Auto-restarting the server on crash Console initialized. Failed to load server_i486.so Failed to load server binary maxplayers set to 0 Network: IP 127.0.0.1, mode MP, dedicated Yes, ports 27015 SV / 27005 CL Failed to load server_i486.so Failed to load server binary Can't start game, no valid server.dll loaded I've put my mod's compiled server_i486.so file in the /mymod/bin directory and as a test also replaced the DM .so with it. My question is, why would the file not be able to load? It compiled fine and I didn't see any errors linking it, and I don't think the server is configured wrong because if I use the hl2mp server_i486.so at that same location then it works. What could be wrong with my mod's server_i486.so that causes it not to be loaded? Thanks, Patrick ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Returned mail: Data format error
at least he has the sense to put dat format error in the topic http://ammahls.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Returned mail: Data format error
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RE: [hlcoders] Re: 3 round burst
Yeah, unlike the mp5's counting wheel, the m4 isn't "no-memory", it remembers where you were when you interrupt. It still doesn't "automatically fire 3 shots when you press and let go" like root seems to think it does (which is what both Michael and I had said, AND as the specs for *both* guns do). When I posted last night I didn't have access to the m4 manual, but I own an mp5 one, so it's a little different there, it's nice to know that the m4 does have burst memory though, as I did not know that. Root: What I said about how they work *is* how they all work, the only difference is if the gun has "memory" or not. When you let go of the trigger it STOPS firing. You can do semi-automatic in burst mode if you're quick enough. And in video games 9 out of 10 people are quick enough to do it, without cheats :P (then again, I've yet to see an FPS that uses an accurate fire rate as it would be insane, especially while trace based, or even physically simulated) Anyway, to go back to my original post on the subject. Burst memory guns: During idle: if (m_nShotsFired > 2) m_nShotsFired = 0; Burst no-memory guns: During idle: m_nShotsFired = 0; During fire: If (m_nShotsFired > 2) Return; //don't fire anymore, already gone through 3 bullets. amazing, utterly amazing. And there is already code for m_nShotsFired = 0; as well as m_nShotsFired++; !! Woe is me. -omega -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Re: 3 round burst
hehe this thread is insane, I think some of the contributors may possibly be on FBI watch lists :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael A. Hobson Sent: 11 May 2005 06:11 To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Re: 3 round burst root 3:16, Just for once, maybe you could stop pretending to be the all-knowing infallible font of knowledge you seem to think you are as demonstrated by at least half your posts to this list ? At 08:55 PM 5/10/2005, you wrote: >3 sites I went to .org's .mils have the same thing it fires 3 rounds >automatically in burst mode. > >http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic534.htm Link above is not to an actual training manual, wherein one might learn all the subtle nuances of the weapon. Are you suggesting that some random web pages are superior in authority to an actual scanned *US MARINE CLASS TRAINING MANUAL* ??? >At any rate, I have shot the M16A2, when you pull and release it fires 3 >rounds. Regardless if you pull and hold the trigger or just pull and release >the trigger. Did you actually try to make it cut the bursts short ? Why do I find that hard to believe? I shall now quote from page 4 (top paragraph) of the M16A2 MILSPEC document for the M16A2 Assault Rifle: "MIL-R-63997B(AR) MILITARY SPECIFICATION Rifle, 5.56mm: M16A2", which is available from Armalite (the "AR" in AR-15) at the following URL: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/m16a2milspec.pdf quote: "... When the selector is placed in the "BURST" "position, it shall permit the automatic sear to engage the hammer, "so that the rifle is capable of burst firing. (One, two, or three "continuous shots the first time the trigger is pulled and held "back. Three continuous shots on the second and each successive "time the trigger is pulled and held back. One, two or three shots "if the trigger is released before completion of the three shot "cycle or all cartridges are expended before completion of the "three shot cycle.)" This is from the DoD manufacturing specification for the M16A2 dated 12 December 1986. Do you think you know more about this weapon than both the USMC and the DoD? Michael A. Hobson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (310) 344-3585 (cell) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders * This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods Group Limited or it's subsidiaries. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The Registered Office of Littlewoods Group Limited and it's subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Group Limited is 5059352. * This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
