Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]

2002-09-13 Thread Stefan Huszics

Eric (Deacon) wrote:

As far as Outlook and swiss cheese, I've never fallen prey to any...ANY
.vbs or other types/instances of virii, worms, malicious code, etc.
Perhaps I'm just a smart user that way, or perhaps I'm the luckiest guy
in the world (I'll argue against that, heh), but...


Most likely it's because you are a smart user.
The biggest problem is that most users are not and the preconfig that
comes with M$ software is even worse then a Redhat installation :D
It's costing companies and everyday users a lot of agony and money every
year, that M$ is so negligent in general with security :(

You shouldn't have to hit preferences and shut everything down manually
after eg installing simple a mailclienet, just so you won't get viruses
etc. That is beyond many Win users capabilities (usually out of simple
ignorance).

--
/Stefan

Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =)


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RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]

2002-09-13 Thread Eric (Deacon)

 The biggest problem is that most users are not and the preconfig that
 comes with M$ software is even worse then a Redhat installation :D
 It's costing companies and everyday users a lot of agony and money
every
 year, that M$ is so negligent in general with security :(

 You shouldn't have to hit preferences and shut everything down
manually
 after eg installing simple a mailclienet, just so you won't get
viruses
 etc. That is beyond many Win users capabilities (usually out of simple
 ignorance).

Well, the most secure system is a system that's under lock and key and
is not connected to any network of any sort, nor is it capable of
receiving commands or displaying and/or communicating any data.  Of
course, that would be a pretty damned useless computer :)

Basically, the goal of a very user-friendly, robust, flexible, easily
customizable, and powerful app of the size and scope of Oultook2002 is a
very lofty one.  With usability and functionality comes risks, of
course.  As a *loose* analogy, consider the USA and the freedom/security
issue.  The two are mutually exclusive.  You can't have 100% freedom and
at the same time have 100% security.  There's a balance that has to be
struck.  And yeah, they could do better.  But honestly, they could do a
whole helluvalot worse.  Thankfully, with software we can get a lot
closer to achieving the utopian idea of 100% freedom with 100% security
than we can in the real world, but it's still neither easy nor common.
If you had to worry about keeping a MASSIVE suite of software and
operating systems completely secure on 90% of the computers in the world
today...  Just the mind-melting myriad of possible configurations alone
would be enough to make me throw in the towel.  But to keep at it 24/7,
trying to make everything easy to use, powerful, AND completely
secure...  That's amazing.  And impossible.

Especially when you have every reject l33t h4x0r with a chip on his
shoulder gunning for you, a gang of relentless hounds just trying to
find ONE possible weakness in your armor...

I guess I'm just not as quick to ridicule Microsoft because I know I
certainly couldn't do any better myself, and I don't know of just a
whole lot of people would *could*.  Demanding absolute security on a
scale of this magnitude...  It's crazy.  Penguinaphiles can barely
contain their orgasmic thrustings as they stammer on about how Microsoft
hasn't officially resolved the issues with SSL that they--and Mozzila
(and who knows who else)--are were made aware of.  It was common
knowledge there for a few *weeks* before it was taken care of on the
linux side of the fence, the side with all the advantages.  I mean
really, give 'em a break :)

Where's the love, man??  Can't we all just get along?? :D

--
Eric (the Deacon remix)

PS Wow, that took a lot longer to write than it normally would.  gg
5:30am :)

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Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]

2002-09-12 Thread Stefan Huszics


Eric (Deacon) wrote:

so tell me what some good clients are and why.  i just switched from
outlook to mozilla.



Ouch...I've never heard one review or even one individual say anything
good about mozilla's email client other than it sometimes works.


Been working for me for more then 2 years now.
As an added bonus I don't have to be afraid of getting a mailvirus and
even worse, have it spead to everybody in my maillist.

Wouldn't use a M$ mailclient unless someone payed me to do it. Most of
their software looks mostly like swiss chease regarding security aspects.

--
/Stefan

Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =)


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RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]

2002-09-12 Thread Eric (Deacon)

 Wouldn't use a M$ mailclient unless someone payed me to do it. Most of
 their software looks mostly like swiss chease regarding security
aspects.

Next you're going to tell me that an insecure linux box (RedHat,
anyone?) isn't a hacker's playground...

It's up to the system's administrator to lock down the OS and the apps
regardless of OS or app choice.

--
Eric (the Deacon remix)

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