[Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Steve, Actually the E you'll hear is a sixth above the G, and it'll be kinda whistly sounding. Move the G to an A and the E above moves to an F (nice plagal cadence - is that spelled right? It's been a long time). You'll only hear the differential notes if the two main pitches (singing and playing) are PERFECTLY in tune with each other. Here's another: Play C below middle C and sing the E a third above middle C. Once tuned, you'll hear a G (above middle C) and, sometimes, the Bb above that. Or, play the same low C and sing the Bb above middle C. Now move the C up a fourth (F) and the Bb down 1/2 step (A). Drop the F a fifth (Bb) and repeat. Voila - ii-V's around the cycle! There are lots more!! I use multiphonics extensively in my solo improvised pieces (they're kinda hard to hear with the band playing) but it's avant-garde jazz trombonist Albert Mangelsdorff who has really taken the technique to another level. On 1/26/05 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- message: 10 date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:20:14 -0500 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do what comes naturally, which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn End of Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 ³Mark Taylor¹s quartet certainly is unlike any other performing in today¹s jazz scene.² Don Williamson, JazzReview.com An incisive soloist ... JazzTimes Taylor plays French horn boldly and lyrically... Bob Blumenthal, Atlantic Monthly http://www.mark-taylor.biz The new CD ³Circle Squared² is available at: http://www.cdbaby.com/marktaylor http://www.omnitone.com/store/artists/taylormark.htm ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Thank you, thanks Hans, thanks David, too. I think I just made this work for the first time - tell me if this sounds right. I'll have to do this in concert pitch, I'm afraid. Horn in F, open. I played the C that's the third partial. I sang the fifth partial, A. I heard some sort of low F, couldn't quite tell if it was the first or second partial, but the whole thing just made me laugh! Slgihtly adjusting the sung concert A up and down was interesting as well. I will have to show this to my wife and kids late - my son, the horn player will certainly want to try it as well. So, written horn in F, I played G, sang E a sixth above that, and heard C below. (I think I got that right.) -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of Mark Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:43 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time Steve, Actually the E you'll hear is a sixth above the G, and it'll be kinda whistly sounding. Move the G to an A and the E above moves to an F (nice plagal cadence - is that spelled right? It's been a long time). You'll only hear the differential notes if the two main pitches (singing and playing) are PERFECTLY in tune with each other. Here's another: Play C below middle C and sing the E a third above middle C. Once tuned, you'll hear a G (above middle C) and, sometimes, the Bb above that. Or, play the same low C and sing the Bb above middle C. Now move the C up a fourth (F) and the Bb down 1/2 step (A). Drop the F a fifth (Bb) and repeat. Voila - ii-V's around the cycle! There are lots more!! I use multiphonics extensively in my solo improvised pieces (they're kinda hard to hear with the band playing) but it's avant-garde jazz trombonist Albert Mangelsdorff who has really taken the technique to another level. On 1/26/05 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- message: 10 date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:20:14 -0500 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do what comes naturally, which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- -- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn End of Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 ³Mark Taylor¹s quartet certainly is unlike any other performing in today¹s jazz scene.² Don Williamson, JazzReview.com An incisive soloist ... JazzTimes Taylor plays French horn boldly and lyrically... Bob Blumenthal, Atlantic Monthly http://www.mark-taylor.biz The new CD ³Circle Squared² is available at: http://www.cdbaby.com/marktaylor http://www.omnitone.com/store/artists/taylormark.htm ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc omputer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
Steve Freides writes Franz . . .he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well.I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? . . . . . secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) Yes, Really cool stuff! I think the resultant tones can be heard better with larger intervals such as 10ths 12ths, maybe 6ths. I totally agree that multiphonics are great for ear training. When you sing and play a third it locks in when it is in tune as a natural third. You can then compare the difference between natural and tempered thirds. One of my faviorite pieces of music to do with horn chords is the prelude to Bach's 5th cello suite. With my low voice it works well in the orginal key. My 6th CD (with tape) has a bunch of my avant garde multi phonic horn solos on if anybody want to hear some recorded multiphonics. Richard Burdick 1st Horn Regina Symphony Regina, SK Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Singing and Playing at the Same Time
For the penultimate in sound fun, download Test Tone Generator from
http://www.esser.u-net.com/ttg.htm
It is shareware and it will work for 30 days, then poof. It plays two
simultaneous tones of your choosing. Very good to experiment with. Feel
the beats!
You can tell that they haven't updated their website lately - they ask 20
euros to buy TTG, which they suggest is equivalent to about $21USD. Time
have changed.
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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