Re: [HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin

2015-02-10 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
Sorry:

On my last email, [4] = https://flic.kr/p/r8D1xD

Rafael.

On 10/02/15 22:06, Jorieke Vyncke wrote:
 Hi Rafael, John,
 
 We got this data opened during the Eurosha project after a nice 
 collaboration with Pascal Douard of the WRI.
 
 For CAR we decided to set up a TM immediatly because indeed there
 is no local community and it is some of the few existing data for
 that country. For Cameroon we let this to the local OSM community
 to decide what to do with it, because the quality of the data is
 not that tremendous and there is already a lot of data on osm.
 
 Altough the workflow on the wiki is maybe a little bit outdated,
 all info should be in there. But for more info you of course can
 ask.
 
 Best greetings,
 
 Jorieke
 
 Op 9-feb.-2015 19:31 schreef Rafael Avila Coya
 ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi, John:
 
 On 09/02/15 17:33, john whelan wrote:
 Just a comment having done a fair bit of HOT mapping in Cameroon 
 I'm quite interested in this project.  However my written French
 is a little rusty and in some ways I feel a bit isolated from the
 OSM mappers in Cameroon and a few mappers on the ground to tag
 would help enormously.
 
 I will contact the Cameroon OSM community for this.
 
 Also a few GPS traces on the majors roads would help.  Most
 roads are fine but cloud cover meant that there are gaps to say
 the least.
 
 GPS traces will definitely help. In Gabon Digital Globe lowres
 imagery is misaligned by easily 200 m. Interesting too, we have now
 Mapbox images in some areas, with no clouds in areas where bing
 has.
 
 
 I note that there are a number of existing roads in OSM that
 look like imports that did not seem to align with the high
 resolution satellite imagery.
 
 I noted them too. Some are from WRI, maybe imported from before
 the imports guidelines.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rafael.
 
 
 Cheerio John
 
 On 9 February 2015 at 10:32, Rafael Avila Coya 
 ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com
 mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6 
 countries in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea,
 Central African Rep. (CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and
 Republic of Congo). It seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC
 have a local community, so that's why I ask for advice here
 before going to the imports list. This same email will be sent to
 talk-cm and talk-cm (Cameroon), talk-cd (DRC) and talk-cf (CAR),
 so sorry for duplicities.
 
 All import is explained in a wiki [1] (with links to the
 original files, importing files and scripts), and the actual
 (manual) import workflow explained in another wiki [2].
 
 Import will be done using one HOT TM job for each country, and
 will be validated afterwards by a group of volunteers, who will
 add more tracks and other (yet to be decided) features.
 
 Any feedback is highly welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rafael.
 
 [1]
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads

 
 
 [2]
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow

 
 
 
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Re: [HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin

2015-02-10 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
Hi, Jorieke:

Thanks for sharing your views.

I've been working with the UNICEF data import in CAR, and using that
import to map thousands of new roads in that country since a year ago.
Apart from GNS data, I used the WRI data from the import that you
EUROSHA folks were doing in the TM [1].

Although quality of WRI data was less than acceptable in some cases, it
was helpful for me, as it gave a quick idea of where roads and tracks
were located, ways that otherwise would/could pass unadverted for me.

I obviously couldn't check all 8,555 segments of the Cameroon file [2],
but I checked quite many of them. I've seen all kind of issues, and
that's not surprise for such an amount of data.

Some of those issues (mainly errors like overshoots, dangles, etc.) are
addressed in the workflow wiki for this import [3].

About the accuracy, I've seen most of the combinations in just one
single area. Sometimes, I see that WRI is actually more accurate than
OSM data, and similar to real data (real data being traced with hires
Mapbox and WRI coming from lowres Landsat) (see [4] - in red OSM data,
in green WRI data and in blue the real data). Sometimes, OSM data and
WRI data are similar, and in other cases WRI ways are worse, sometimes
to the point of not being eligible to import. How to deal with this is
also part of the Workflow wiki.

Another issue that will have to be corrected during the import or during
the validation that will follow are some tracks that are tagged as
abandoned:track that look open/active when checked against Mapbox hires.
Some others look to be correctly tagged anyway [5].

The plan is not only to correct these data and to import/merge it to
OSM, but also to add more tracks and other contextual forestry data
during the validation process. Having these information will improve any
research on logging (legal and ilegal) in one of the most important
forest reserves in the world.

I've sent an email to the talk-cm but didn't receive any answer yet. I
am not sure about the DRC, but never heard of any OSM local community
for the other 4 countries, and that's why I asked HOT list for comments.
As you know, the import guidelines ask for local OSM communities to be
fine with the import as one the requisites.

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/219
[2]
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ys58zv40yfr0um3/CMR_Forestry_roadsFINAL.osm?dl=0
[3]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow
[4]  (see [4] - in red OSM data, in green WRI data and in blue the real
data)
[5] https://flic.kr/p/qRkcYp


On 10/02/15 22:06, Jorieke Vyncke wrote:
 Hi Rafael, John,
 
 We got this data opened during the Eurosha project after a nice
 collaboration with Pascal Douard of the WRI.
 
 For CAR we decided to set up a TM immediatly because indeed there is no
 local community and it is some of the few existing data for that country.
 For Cameroon we let this to the local OSM community to decide what to do
 with it, because the quality of the data is not that tremendous and
 there is already a lot of data on osm.
 
 Altough the workflow on the wiki is maybe a little bit outdated, all
 info should be in there. But for more info you of course can ask.
 
 Best greetings,
 
 Jorieke
 
 Op 9-feb.-2015 19:31 schreef Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com
 mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi, John:
 
 On 09/02/15 17:33, john whelan wrote:
 Just a comment having done a fair bit of HOT mapping in Cameroon
 I'm quite interested in this project.  However my written French is
 a little rusty and in some ways I feel a bit isolated from the OSM
 mappers in Cameroon and a few mappers on the ground to tag would
 help enormously.
 
 I will contact the Cameroon OSM community for this.
 
 Also a few GPS traces on the majors roads would help.  Most roads
 are fine but cloud cover meant that there are gaps to say the
 least.
 
 GPS traces will definitely help. In Gabon Digital Globe lowres imagery
 is misaligned by easily 200 m. Interesting too, we have now Mapbox
 images in some areas, with no clouds in areas where bing has.
 
 
 I note that there are a number of existing roads in OSM that look
 like imports that did not seem to align with the high resolution
 satellite imagery.
 
 I noted them too. Some are from WRI, maybe imported from before the
 imports guidelines.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rafael.
 
 
 Cheerio John
 
 On 9 February 2015 at 10:32, Rafael Avila Coya
 ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com
 mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6
 countries in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Central
 African Rep. (CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and Republic of
 Congo). It seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC have a local
 community, so that's why I ask for advice here before going to the
 imports list. This same email will be sent to talk-cm and talk-cm
 (Cameroon), talk-cd (DRC) and 

Re: [HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin

2015-02-10 Thread Jorieke Vyncke
Hi Rafael, John,

We got this data opened during the Eurosha project after a nice
collaboration with Pascal Douard of the WRI.

For CAR we decided to set up a TM immediatly because indeed there is no
local community and it is some of the few existing data for that country.
For Cameroon we let this to the local OSM community to decide what to do
with it, because the quality of the data is not that tremendous and there
is already a lot of data on osm.

Altough the workflow on the wiki is maybe a little bit outdated, all info
should be in there. But for more info you of course can ask.

Best greetings,

Jorieke
Op 9-feb.-2015 19:31 schreef Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com:

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 Hi, John:

 On 09/02/15 17:33, john whelan wrote:
  Just a comment having done a fair bit of HOT mapping in Cameroon
  I'm quite interested in this project.  However my written French is
  a little rusty and in some ways I feel a bit isolated from the OSM
  mappers in Cameroon and a few mappers on the ground to tag would
  help enormously.

 I will contact the Cameroon OSM community for this.

  Also a few GPS traces on the majors roads would help.  Most roads
  are fine but cloud cover meant that there are gaps to say the
  least.

 GPS traces will definitely help. In Gabon Digital Globe lowres imagery
 is misaligned by easily 200 m. Interesting too, we have now Mapbox
 images in some areas, with no clouds in areas where bing has.

 
  I note that there are a number of existing roads in OSM that look
  like imports that did not seem to align with the high resolution
  satellite imagery.

 I noted them too. Some are from WRI, maybe imported from before the
 imports guidelines.

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 
  Cheerio John
 
  On 9 February 2015 at 10:32, Rafael Avila Coya
  ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi list:
 
  This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6
  countries in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Central
  African Rep. (CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and Republic of
  Congo). It seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC have a local
  community, so that's why I ask for advice here before going to the
  imports list. This same email will be sent to talk-cm and talk-cm
  (Cameroon), talk-cd (DRC) and talk-cf (CAR), so sorry for
  duplicities.
 
  All import is explained in a wiki [1] (with links to the original
  files, importing files and scripts), and the actual (manual)
  import workflow explained in another wiki [2].
 
  Import will be done using one HOT TM job for each country, and will
  be validated afterwards by a group of volunteers, who will add
  more tracks and other (yet to be decided) features.
 
  Any feedback is highly welcome.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Rafael.
 
  [1]
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads
 
 
 [2]
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow
 
 
 
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Re: [HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin

2015-02-09 Thread john whelan
Just a comment having done a fair bit of HOT mapping in Cameroon I'm quite
interested in this project.  However my written French is a little rusty
and in some ways I feel a bit isolated from the OSM mappers in Cameroon and
a few mappers on the ground to tag would help enormously.  Also a few GPS
traces on the majors roads would help.  Most roads are fine but cloud cover
meant that there are gaps to say the least.

I note that there are a number of existing roads in OSM that look like
imports that did not seem to align with the high resolution satellite
imagery.

Cheerio John

On 9 February 2015 at 10:32, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hi list:

 This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6 countries
 in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Central African Rep.
 (CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and Republic of Congo). It
 seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC have a local community, so
 that's why I ask for advice here before going to the imports list.
 This same email will be sent to talk-cm and talk-cm (Cameroon),
 talk-cd (DRC) and talk-cf (CAR), so sorry for duplicities.

 All import is explained in a wiki [1] (with links to the original
 files, importing files and scripts), and the actual (manual) import
 workflow explained in another wiki [2].

 Import will be done using one HOT TM job for each country, and will be
 validated afterwards by a group of volunteers, who will add more
 tracks and other (yet to be decided) features.

 Any feedback is highly welcome.

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 [1]
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads
 [2]

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow

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[HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin

2015-02-09 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
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Hi list:

This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6 countries
in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Central African Rep.
(CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and Republic of Congo). It
seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC have a local community, so
that's why I ask for advice here before going to the imports list.
This same email will be sent to talk-cm and talk-cm (Cameroon),
talk-cd (DRC) and talk-cf (CAR), so sorry for duplicities.

All import is explained in a wiki [1] (with links to the original
files, importing files and scripts), and the actual (manual) import
workflow explained in another wiki [2].

Import will be done using one HOT TM job for each country, and will be
validated afterwards by a group of volunteers, who will add more
tracks and other (yet to be decided) features.

Any feedback is highly welcome.

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow

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Re: [HOT] WRI forest tracks import in Congo Basin

2015-02-09 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
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Hi, John:

On 09/02/15 17:33, john whelan wrote:
 Just a comment having done a fair bit of HOT mapping in Cameroon
 I'm quite interested in this project.  However my written French is
 a little rusty and in some ways I feel a bit isolated from the OSM
 mappers in Cameroon and a few mappers on the ground to tag would
 help enormously.

I will contact the Cameroon OSM community for this.

 Also a few GPS traces on the majors roads would help.  Most roads
 are fine but cloud cover meant that there are gaps to say the
 least.

GPS traces will definitely help. In Gabon Digital Globe lowres imagery
is misaligned by easily 200 m. Interesting too, we have now Mapbox
images in some areas, with no clouds in areas where bing has.

 
 I note that there are a number of existing roads in OSM that look
 like imports that did not seem to align with the high resolution
 satellite imagery.

I noted them too. Some are from WRI, maybe imported from before the
imports guidelines.

Cheers,

Rafael.

 
 Cheerio John
 
 On 9 February 2015 at 10:32, Rafael Avila Coya
 ravilac...@gmail.com mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 This is a call for comments on an import of WRI data for 6
 countries in the Congo Basin (Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Central
 African Rep. (CAR), Gabon, Dem. Rep. of Congo (DRC) and Republic of
 Congo). It seems that only Cameroon and, maybe, DRC have a local
 community, so that's why I ask for advice here before going to the
 imports list. This same email will be sent to talk-cm and talk-cm
 (Cameroon), talk-cd (DRC) and talk-cf (CAR), so sorry for
 duplicities.
 
 All import is explained in a wiki [1] (with links to the original 
 files, importing files and scripts), and the actual (manual)
 import workflow explained in another wiki [2].
 
 Import will be done using one HOT TM job for each country, and will
 be validated afterwards by a group of volunteers, who will add
 more tracks and other (yet to be decided) features.
 
 Any feedback is highly welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rafael.
 
 [1] 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads

 
[2]
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_WRI_Congo_Basin_Forestry_Roads_Workflow

 
 
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