Re: [IAEP] Sugar packages for non-mainstream distros
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just some thoughts and some practices (specific?) of Sugar packaging process > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert Can you add something about testing these packages and reporting bugs in Sugar on specific distributions? > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar packages for non-mainstream distros
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05:16AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just some thoughts and some practices (specific?) of Sugar packaging process > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert > > Can you add something about testing these packages and reporting bugs > in Sugar on specific distributions? About Gentoo, in fact, I'll be very surprised if Gentoo is popular among sugar end users, but I use Gentoo and furthermore it helps me test sugar in various environments: I've built sugar (both 0.82 and 0.83), at first sight, it works - does basic operations (no errors in logs) But my current focus is altlinux - its a local Russian distro. The main purpose of porting sugar on altlinux is the fact that it takes part in state-program "FOSS for schools" - there is school-specific distro. I've uploaded sugar-fructose to unstable altlinux's repo (the same status like on Gentoo) and work now on Russian localization (whole this week). After back porting to school branch I suspect broader feedback --- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar packages for non-mainstream distros
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05:16AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > just some thoughts and some practices (specific?) of Sugar packaging >> > process >> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert >> >> Can you add something about testing these packages and reporting bugs >> in Sugar on specific distributions? > > About Gentoo, in fact, I'll be very surprised if Gentoo is popular among sugar > end users, but I use Gentoo and furthermore it helps me test sugar in various > environments: I've built sugar (both 0.82 and 0.83), at first sight, it works > - does basic operations (no errors in logs) > > But my current focus is altlinux - its a local Russian distro. The main > purpose > of porting sugar on altlinux is the fact that it takes part in state-program > "FOSS > for schools" - there is school-specific distro. I've uploaded sugar-fructose > to > unstable altlinux's repo (the same status like on Gentoo) and work now on > Russian > localization (whole this week). After back porting to school branch I suspect > broader feedback Sounds very good, please keep us posted of your progress (and problems!). Just to check, altlinux is based on Mandriva, right? If so, how is being coordinated the packaging between the different mandriva-like distros? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar-Design-Developers meeting REMINDER (Novermber 22, 23 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting]
Simon Schampijer wrote: > This week is special again! > > We want to create a roadmap for the design team. Since this has direct > impact on the development team we want to meet on Thursday at 14.00 UTC > for the design meeting to create the design roadmap. And on Friday 14.00 > UTC we will schedule items for the developers team then. > > [1] Thursday 27.11.08 14.00 UTC - Design Meeting on irc freenode.net, > #sugar-meeting > > [2] Friday 28.11.08 14.00 UTC - Developers Meeting on irc freenode.net, > #sugar-meeting > > Best, > Simon This meetings have been canceled. We had the design meeting yesterday and wait for the minutes to process further. And actually, people seem busy with staffing for sugar, aeh stuffing the turkey. Have a nice holiday, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] chatzilla IRC
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 13:22, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 27.11.2008, at 11:41, Bill Kerr wrote: >> issues for newbies like me (things which joel / shenki explained to >> me separately): >> >> * it appears that 60 people are in the room but many are not there > > That's mostly an issue of time zone, and secondly of getting attention. > > The trick with time zones is matching a world clock against the sleep > schedule of certain professions ;) Some of us are so addicted to IRC that we leave our machines logged in overnight, so we can catch up on what happened or allow others to leave us messages... :) > The trick with getting attention is to direct messages at specific > persons, like "bertf: etoys saving works again, yay!". This is a > regular message, everyone can see it, but most IRC clients beep and > highlight such a line if the user's nick name is mentioned literally. > > There is a third part of course, matching nick names to real persons. > It's one of my pet peeves that people need to role-play in otherwise > serious conversations, but it apparently is one of those odd habits > that's not going to fade. > > One trick with that is "/whois nick" which might actually report the > real name. More reliably, some users list their IRC nick at > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:IRC_users Also, feel free to just ask questions or make comments - somebody's bound to notice and tell you the relevant person's nick to whom you can direct your questions. Regards Morgan "morgs" Collett ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Do you blog?
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You don't? Why not? The world needs to hear your voice. > > You do? Great! You should be aggregated on the Sugar Labs Planet! > > Just send an email to planetmaster at sugarlabs dot org with the URL of > your blog feed. If you're unsure, just ask the planetmaster. > > Currently, there are only about a dozen blogs aggregated there. I know > there are more voices than that. Let's hear them. > > Also, forward this to your non-English-speaking friends. A multi-language > blog aggregator is a beautiful thing. :) what is the philosophy of "planets" and Sugar Labs Planet wrt bloggers who blog on diverse issues? eg. someone put me onto the squeak planet a while back - and someone else complained on my blog recently because I posted an entry which was skeptical about global warming (I posted quite a lot about squeak last year but haven't posted so much about it this year) ie. is the centre of gravity more to do with Sugar or is it more to do with the general world outlook of those who support Sugar and yet might have widely differing views on other topics which they regularly express in their blogs ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Do you blog?
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:06 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > > I have have added nag teamleads to blog to my todo list. Considered > yourself warned. Just to make clear how seriously I took that threat, yesterday I posted on my blog for the first time. Beware all sugarites! Regards, Tomeu > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> You don't? Why not? The world needs to hear your voice. >> >> You do? Great! You should be aggregated on the Sugar Labs Planet! >> >> Just send an email to planetmaster at sugarlabs dot org with the URL of >> your blog feed. If you're unsure, just ask the planetmaster. >> >> Currently, there are only about a dozen blogs aggregated there. I know >> there are more voices than that. Let's hear them. >> >> Also, forward this to your non-English-speaking friends. A multi-language >> blog aggregator is a beautiful thing. :) >> >> --g >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] chatzilla IRC
On 27.11.2008, at 11:41, Bill Kerr wrote: > issues for newbies like me (things which joel / shenki explained to > me separately): > > * it appears that 60 people are in the room but many are not there That's mostly an issue of time zone, and secondly of getting attention. The trick with time zones is matching a world clock against the sleep schedule of certain professions ;) The trick with getting attention is to direct messages at specific persons, like "bertf: etoys saving works again, yay!". This is a regular message, everyone can see it, but most IRC clients beep and highlight such a line if the user's nick name is mentioned literally. There is a third part of course, matching nick names to real persons. It's one of my pet peeves that people need to role-play in otherwise serious conversations, but it apparently is one of those odd habits that's not going to fade. One trick with that is "/whois nick" which might actually report the real name. More reliably, some users list their IRC nick at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:IRC_users HTH, - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] chatzilla IRC
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Caroline Meeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Elsa Culler wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Last night at sugarcamp, we(people from the Olin college OLPC chapter) >> > were asked to come up with a list of roadblocks we have run into in >> > trying to volunteer effectively. Mel Chua asked me to forward it to >> > these lists, so here is the list in text format: >> >> Thanks for this criticism, I'm sure it is very appreciated. >> Some comments inlined below: >> >> >> > we have to come up with jobs ourselves, and we're not too good at it >> > >> > we don't know what we can do that is useful >> > >> > when we are told what to do, we have to check with other people to make >> > sure it's ok >> >> I think communication would improve a lot if it was kept on the >> public channels such as these lists, or the #sugar channel on >> irc.freenode.net. >> >> >> Note that most nondevelopers have not even heard of irc. > > Somewhere easy to find on the wiki we need some text that explains one easy > way to connect so people can get started. Here is some suggested text, > maybe we can discuss it here then put it into the wiki. > > Sugar Labs meetings are held on IRC (Internet Relay Chat). It is one of > the first chat systems for the internet and is still preferred by many open > source developers. > > There are many programs to use IRC. One easy way is to download the > ChatZilla addon for FireFox. > > Once the add on is installed open it from the Tools Menu of FF. > (Could someone test what it does the first time, before you've told it your > nick name?) > It will open a new window with some text. Click "freenode" in the > available networks. > It will take a second to connect and text will scroll on your screen. > Type /j #Sugar > > You will now see a list of people in the Sugar room. Say Hello and join the > conversation! > thanks Caroline, these instructions were sufficient for me to join IRC McAfee Virus Scan blocks ports 666-6669 by default but chatzilla warned me about this issue My default nickname was 'user' which I changed through Preferences tab When I initially entered the #Sugar room I could see lots of users there (green icons) but there was no conversation - I guess it was just a quite time On the second try morgs said "hello" immediately, so there you go issues for newbies like me (things which joel / shenki explained to me separately): * it appears that 60 people are in the room but many are not there * for new users it's nice to find feet gradually by setting up a PM /msg shenki blah blah it's like any new learning really --> what you can do is easy what you haven't done before is hard (I dont know who discovered water but it wasn't a fish) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar packages for non-mainstream distros
as far as know, altlinux was based on Mandriva, but at present there are lots differences (but not sure I'm not RPM guy:) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:42:58AM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05:16AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > just some thoughts and some practices (specific?) of Sugar packaging > >> > process > >> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert > >> > >> Can you add something about testing these packages and reporting bugs > >> in Sugar on specific distributions? > > > > About Gentoo, in fact, I'll be very surprised if Gentoo is popular among > > sugar > > end users, but I use Gentoo and furthermore it helps me test sugar in > > various > > environments: I've built sugar (both 0.82 and 0.83), at first sight, it > > works > > - does basic operations (no errors in logs) > > > > But my current focus is altlinux - its a local Russian distro. The main > > purpose > > of porting sugar on altlinux is the fact that it takes part in > > state-program "FOSS > > for schools" - there is school-specific distro. I've uploaded > > sugar-fructose to > > unstable altlinux's repo (the same status like on Gentoo) and work now on > > Russian > > localization (whole this week). After back porting to school branch I > > suspect > > broader feedback > > Sounds very good, please keep us posted of your progress (and problems!). > > Just to check, altlinux is based on Mandriva, right? If so, how is > being coordinated the packaging between the different mandriva-like > distros? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Do you blog?
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Bill Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what is the philosophy of "planets" and Sugar Labs Planet wrt bloggers who > blog on diverse issues? > > eg. someone put me onto the squeak planet a while back - and someone else > complained on my blog recently because I posted an entry which was skeptical > about global warming You can of course circumvent the problem by tagging your posts and hand out the feed to the category. /Ties ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar packages for non-mainstream distros
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05:16AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > just some thoughts and some practices (specific?) of Sugar packaging >> > process >> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert >> >> Can you add something about testing these packages and reporting bugs >> in Sugar on specific distributions? > > About Gentoo, in fact, I'll be very surprised if Gentoo is popular among sugar > end users, but I use Gentoo and furthermore it helps me test sugar in various > environments: I've built sugar (both 0.82 and 0.83), at first sight, it works > - does basic operations (no errors in logs) > > But my current focus is altlinux - its a local Russian distro. Прекрасно! > The main purpose > of porting sugar on altlinux is the fact that it takes part in state-program > "FOSS > for schools" - there is school-specific distro. I've uploaded sugar-fructose > to > unstable altlinux's repo (the same status like on Gentoo) and work now on > Russian > localization (whole this week). After back porting to school branch I suspect > broader feedback Болшое спасибо. > --- > Aleksey > Эдуард Георгеевич Цервын -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Classmate 2
Werner Westermann wrote: > Regards to all. > > I love to see Sugar run on a Classmate 2. As I understand from Walter, Sugar > on USB is > in beta stage, but definitely in progress. Any reference or guide will be > much > appreciated. Thanks for your time, Aaron Kaplan and Christoph Derndorfer are those with most experience running Sugar on the Classmate. Aaron is also in contact with Intel regarding the port, and might provide additional details. These days things have got quite straightforward: the first step is installing a distro that already ships the Sugar packages. Any Linux distribution should install easily on the Classmate because the hardware is quite standard. I have only seen Ubuntu running on it though. Then, just install the Sugar packages. At this time, I believe Fedora 10 has the most up to date core Sugar packages (0.82.9). It also lets you choose Sugar as a desktop option alongside Gnome and KDE. Ubuntu provides a slightly outdated version of Sugar (0.82.0), but seems to come with more pre-packaged activities. Debian unstable also carries Sugar packages, and a few OLPC developers are actively involved with it. There *will* be bugs. Last time I checked, the activity donut was positioned incorrectly with respect to the kid icon, and some activities were also unable to adapt to the different screen aspect ratio... Network Manager might also be broken. The core Sugar developers do not have a Classmate to test with, but 99% of the bugs you might encounter will be unrelated to the hardware. Feel free to dispatch them in the distro bug tracker or at http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ . Or even better, send patches ;-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar packages for non-mainstream distros
Altlinux is also pretty integrated with LTSP 5, would be cool to see some sugar via ltsp tests for altlinux... David Van Assche On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05:16AM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Aleksey Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > just some thoughts and some practices (specific?) of Sugar packaging >>> > process >>> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/jhconvert >>> >>> Can you add something about testing these packages and reporting bugs >>> in Sugar on specific distributions? >> >> About Gentoo, in fact, I'll be very surprised if Gentoo is popular among >> sugar >> end users, but I use Gentoo and furthermore it helps me test sugar in various >> environments: I've built sugar (both 0.82 and 0.83), at first sight, it works >> - does basic operations (no errors in logs) >> >> But my current focus is altlinux - its a local Russian distro. > > Прекрасно! > >> The main purpose >> of porting sugar on altlinux is the fact that it takes part in state-program >> "FOSS >> for schools" - there is school-specific distro. I've uploaded sugar-fructose >> to >> unstable altlinux's repo (the same status like on Gentoo) and work now on >> Russian >> localization (whole this week). After back porting to school branch I suspect >> broader feedback > > Болшое спасибо. > >> --- >> Aleksey >> > > Эдуард Георгеевич Цервын > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Classmate 2
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Werner Westermann wrote: >> Regards to all. >> >> I love to see Sugar run on a Classmate 2. As I understand from Walter, >> Sugar on USB is >> in beta stage, but definitely in progress. Any reference or guide will be >> much >> appreciated. Thanks for your time, > > Aaron Kaplan and Christoph Derndorfer are those with most experience > running Sugar on the Classmate. Aaron is also in contact with Intel > regarding the port, and might provide additional details. > > These days things have got quite straightforward: the first step is > installing a distro that already ships the Sugar packages. Any Linux > distribution should install easily on the Classmate because the > hardware is quite standard. I have only seen Ubuntu running on it though. > > Then, just install the Sugar packages. At this time, I believe Fedora > 10 has the most up to date core Sugar packages (0.82.9). It also lets > you choose Sugar as a desktop option alongside Gnome and KDE. > > Ubuntu provides a slightly outdated version of Sugar (0.82.0), but > seems to come with more pre-packaged activities. Debian unstable also > carries Sugar packages, and a few OLPC developers are actively > involved with it. > > There *will* be bugs. Last time I checked, the activity donut was > positioned incorrectly with respect to the kid icon, and some > activities were also unable to adapt to the different screen aspect > ratio... Network Manager might also be broken. > > The core Sugar developers do not have a Classmate to test with, but > 99% of the bugs you might encounter will be unrelated to the hardware. > Feel free to dispatch them in the distro bug tracker or at > http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ . Or even better, send patches ;-) On a related note, I got my hands on an eeepc and plan to make sure that at least the sugar shell and the most used activities scale well on all these resolutions. So that should also help the Classmate. Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
