Re: Secret Service Guide
The PEMODE password is calculated from the system serial number (CEC, 12 characters), current date, and a mutate table which is specific to the SE software main release version and MCL. The only secret part is the serial number ... I guess it was never intended to be a very secret method, but rather to avoid people damaging things. Costin From: Charles Durrett charles.durr...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide On Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:11:20 AM UTC-5, R.S. wrote: MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! Thank you for the hint. BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. PEMODE account is also present in a z890 Service Element - the signon panel 'leaks' enough information to tell if an account is setup on the machine. The variable password with the account *might* be implemented per the 1994 IBM US patent 5682475 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR VARIABLE PASSWORD ACCESS. If so then the password search space is narrowed. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
Well, I cannot agree. Serial number is know as well as the date. The only secret part is the method, algorithm. BTW, disclaimer: I wish I knew the PEMODE password, but I didn't look for it. I was looking for Service Manuals. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-03-22 11:35, Costin Enache pisze: The PEMODE password is calculated from the system serial number (CEC, 12 characters), current date, and a mutate table which is specific to the SE software main release version and MCL. The only secret part is the serial number ... I guess it was never intended to be a very secret method, but rather to avoid people damaging things. Costin From: Charles Durrettcharles.durr...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide On Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:11:20 AM UTC-5, R.S. wrote: MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! Thank you for the hint. BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. PEMODE account is also present in a z890 Service Element - the signon panel 'leaks' enough information to tell if an account is setup on the machine. The variable password with the account *might* be implemented per the 1994 IBM US patent 5682475 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR VARIABLE PASSWORD ACCESS. If so then the password search space is narrowed. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
I write that the S/N is secret, as it is the only thing specific to a certain installation. The method is present on all the SEs in the world, and the tables on all the SEs with the same MCL - this makes them not so secret. But the S/N is unique, known by IBM and the client - it may be not enough, but it is all we have. In a secure setup, it hardly matters, as is not intended to protect the system against external attacks, just against technical misuse by legitimate users. Of course, the HMCs are a different topic, but not for this thread. Costin From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Well, I cannot agree. Serial number is know as well as the date. The only secret part is the method, algorithm. BTW, disclaimer: I wish I knew the PEMODE password, but I didn't look for it. I was looking for Service Manuals. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-03-22 11:35, Costin Enache pisze: The PEMODE password is calculated from the system serial number (CEC, 12 characters), current date, and a mutate table which is specific to the SE software main release version and MCL. The only secret part is the serial number ... I guess it was never intended to be a very secret method, but rather to avoid people damaging things. Costin From: Charles Durrettcharles.durr...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide On Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:11:20 AM UTC-5, R.S. wrote: MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! Thank you for the hint. BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. PEMODE account is also present in a z890 Service Element - the signon panel 'leaks' enough information to tell if an account is setup on the machine. The variable password with the account *might* be implemented per the 1994 IBM US patent 5682475 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR VARIABLE PASSWORD ACCESS. If so then the password search space is narrowed. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
We can dispute how effective the protection is, but S/N is (can be) perfectly known to every customer and every IBMer, and even DHL employees. What is not know is the method to calculate the password. Maybe it's not so hard to hack SE and disassemble this method, but is NOT known neither to customer nor to most IBMers, including CE's. What is it intended for - that's another question, but I think that other users like sysprog, acsadmin and service do have enough facilities to shut one's own foot. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-03-22 12:40, Costin Enache pisze: I write that the S/N is secret, as it is the only thing specific to a certain installation. The method is present on all the SEs in the world, and the tables on all the SEs with the same MCL - this makes them not so secret. But the S/N is unique, known by IBM and the client - it may be not enough, but it is all we have. In a secure setup, it hardly matters, as is not intended to protect the system against external attacks, just against technical misuse by legitimate users. Of course, the HMCs are a different topic, but not for this thread. Costin From: R.S.r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Well, I cannot agree. Serial number is know as well as the date. The only secret part is the method, algorithm. BTW, disclaimer: I wish I knew the PEMODE password, but I didn't look for it. I was looking for Service Manuals. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-03-22 11:35, Costin Enache pisze: The PEMODE password is calculated from the system serial number (CEC, 12 characters), current date, and a mutate table which is specific to the SE software main release version and MCL. The only secret part is the serial number ... I guess it was never intended to be a very secret method, but rather to avoid people damaging things. Costin From: Charles Durrettcharles.durr...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide On Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:11:20 AM UTC-5, R.S. wrote: MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! Thank you for the hint. BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. PEMODE account is also present in a z890 Service Element - the signon panel 'leaks' enough information to tell if an account is setup on the machine. The variable password with the account *might* be implemented per the 1994 IBM US patent 5682475 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR VARIABLE PASSWORD ACCESS. If so then the password search space is narrowed. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i
Re: Secret Service Guide
On Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:11:20 AM UTC-5, R.S. wrote: MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! Thank you for the hint. BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. PEMODE account is also present in a z890 Service Element - the signon panel 'leaks' enough information to tell if an account is setup on the machine. The variable password with the account *might* be implemented per the 1994 IBM US patent 5682475 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR VARIABLE PASSWORD ACCESS. If so then the password search space is narrowed. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
W dniu 2012-03-19 03:28, Alan Altmark pisze: [...] I found it on ResourceLink. There's nothing secret about it. I just checked again - I don't see it. Maybe the content you see depends on authorities. Note: there are other publications with service in the title - maybe you mixed up the titles? Note that the information about logging onto SERVICE wouldn't work since changing the passwords to all of the default IDs is something you were supposed to do at installation time. :-) Well, yes and no. From my (limited) experience I have never seen HMC with changed passwords for default userids, exluding ACSADMIN everywhere I decide/advise. ;-) And I have never seen IBM engineer which would ask for the password - they expect to be SERVMODE. Note 1. Not long time ago the passwords were set by ACSADMIN and were kept in open-text form. (AFAIK HMC pre-1.8) Note 2. Usually HMC is kept in secure location, so it is possible to assign personal responsibility to operator on duty. In many case the HMC is always logged-on. But you're right that it contains some interesting and useful information. Just remember that the book's audience is someone who has been trained to service the machine. It's not my intention to dismantle any CPC ;-) Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:24:10 +0100, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: I just got the following publication: zEnterprise 196 Service Guide GC28-6892-02 This publication is NOT present on ResourceLink, there is no clue about it's existence. I found it on ResourceLink. There's nothing secret about it. Note that the information about logging onto SERVICE wouldn't work since changing the passwords to all of the default IDs is something you were supposed to do at installation time. :-) But you're right that it contains some interesting and useful information. Just remember that the book's audience is someone who has been trained to service the machine. Alan Altmark IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:10:21 +0100, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users ENSADMIN and ENSOPERATOR IDs have the same default passwords as everything else. Remember to change them. :-) Alan Altmark IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
Wow, that's pretty limited. Sorry it didn't work out. Dave At 3/16/2012 06:08 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: The wayback machine only has 147 IBM pages, all from 2010, with the link address that appears on the header pages but has no similar IBM pages before that, and nothing at all for the four manual numbers that the OP listed. But thanks for the suggestion. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide You might try www.archive.org. At 3/16/2012 03:41 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I did just that in addition to searching within the IBM websites (but I have no access to ResourceLink). Google finds header pages for each of these documents on the IBM websites, but all the links to actually download the manuals are either gone (404) or circular. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Have you tried just Googling the manual numbers? At 3/16/2012 10:45 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Secret Service Guide
MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! Thank you for the hint. BTW: the passwords are well known and have always been documented. Default passwords for HMC are: SERVMODE for user SERVICE PASSWORD for other documented users (*) There is also undocumented user PEMODE, I would like to know his password, but AFAIK it's time and s/n dependent. (*) I haven't checked two new (z196) Ensemble users -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Secret Service Guide
I just got the following publication: zEnterprise 196 Service Guide GC28-6892-02 This publication is NOT present on ResourceLink, there is no clue about it's existence. Other pubs like Installation Manual are present on the ResourceLink. It looks like some secret... nevermind. The publication is IMHO *VERY USEFUL*! I found the following information http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686604 http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28685303 So it looks the similar guides exist for z10 and z9 but the links for download are dead. Now the question: Q1. How can I download Service Guied for z10, z9 nd maybe older models? Q2. Are there any other secret manuals for those machines? (of course not those from ResourceLink). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2012 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.410.984 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 16 March 2012 10:45, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. MP3000 Service Guide is SY24-6155 - easily found online. It even has the default Support Element logon passwords - Woo-Hoo! The Parts Catalogue for that machine is S123-7471, also online at IBM. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Have you tried just Googling the manual numbers? At 3/16/2012 10:45 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tretej wiadomoci moe zawierainformacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorcmoe byjedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jesteadresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe bykaralne. Jeeli otrzymaetwiadomoomykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadominadawcwysyajc odpowiedoraz trwale usuntwiadomowczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII WydziaGospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie01.01.2012 r. kapitazakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I did just that in addition to searching within the IBM websites (but I have no access to ResourceLink). Google finds header pages for each of these documents on the IBM websites, but all the links to actually download the manuals are either gone (404) or circular. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Have you tried just Googling the manual numbers? At 3/16/2012 10:45 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You might try www.archive.org. At 3/16/2012 03:41 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I did just that in addition to searching within the IBM websites (but I have no access to ResourceLink). Google finds header pages for each of these documents on the IBM websites, but all the links to actually download the manuals are either gone (404) or circular. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Have you tried just Googling the manual numbers? At 3/16/2012 10:45 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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David, Yes, I used google, spent much time on it. Then asked on the forum. Now I've also tried www.archive.org, maybe I can't use this website, but I found nothing. My wife advised me to browse our wardrobe, do you think it's good idea? ;-) More seriously, to all: maybe someone has any of the publications on CD and he/she's willing to share? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-03-16 21:31, David Cole pisze: You might try www.archive.org. At 3/16/2012 03:41 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I did just that in addition to searching within the IBM websites (but I have no access to ResourceLink). Google finds header pages for each of these documents on the IBM websites, but all the links to actually download the manuals are either gone (404) or circular. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Have you tried just Googling the manual numbers? At 3/16/2012 10:45 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The wayback machine only has 147 IBM pages, all from 2010, with the link address that appears on the header pages but has no similar IBM pages before that, and nothing at all for the four manual numbers that the OP listed. But thanks for the suggestion. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide You might try www.archive.org. At 3/16/2012 03:41 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I did just that in addition to searching within the IBM websites (but I have no access to ResourceLink). Google finds header pages for each of these documents on the IBM websites, but all the links to actually download the manuals are either gone (404) or circular. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Secret Service Guide Have you tried just Googling the manual numbers? At 3/16/2012 10:45 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-03-16 14:44, Zaromil Tisler pisze: Service Guide, IBM System z10 Enterprise Class (GC28-6866-05) http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1gc28686605 Thank you, I appreciate it. I just downloaded it. I also found doc number for older machines: z9 EC Service Guide GC28-6841 z9 BC Service Guide GC28-6853 z990 Service Guide G229-9039 z900 Service Guide G229-9027 I also found z9EC Service Guide in hardcopy (still looking for sofcopy). So, I'm still looking for Guides for z990, z900 and maybe older machines. I also revealed that the publications usually were delivered on CD/DVD with the CPC. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
