Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Julien Pauli]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Joe Watkins  wrote:
> Hi Anatol,
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Cheers
> Joe

Nice, we are moving forward !

Anyway, Anatol and I are here to help with the tasks.
The job is mainly about reviewing code, and above all : organize
people and human beeings.
This is really a human-targeted job, more than a code-oriented job.


But the job requires involvement every month at least, and that, for
at least a 3-year period.

Feel free to ping on IRC or mailing lists if help needed, or questions.
We are a team alltogether ;-)


Julien.Pauli

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Joe Watkins]

Hi Anatol,

Sounds good to me.

Cheers
Joe

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Anatol Belski <anatol@belski.net>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> > To: Davey Shafik <da...@php.net>
> > Cc: Anatol Belski <anatol@belski.net>; Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net>;
> Scott
> > Arciszewski <sc...@paragonie.com>; Anatol Belski <a...@php.net>; PHP
> > internals <internals@lists.php.net>; Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com>;
> > Stanislav Malyshev <s...@php.net>
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap
> >
> > > I'm honestly not 100% sure what all is involved, is this documented
> > > somewhere?
> > >
> > > I'm a bit worried that my lack of C mastery will be an issue, but if
> > > that's not a problem, then I'd be glad to move forward as you say
> above.
> >
> > C knowledge is not required but a good thing.
> >
> > Also C knowledge is required to know the impact of a patch internally.
> > Enough people are around to actually review patches and raises possible
> issues.
> > I would not worry too much about that. Lukas for example did a great job
> and
> > was not a C developer to begin with.
> >
> > The key role however of the RM is to ensure that the release process goes
> > smoothly, the planing is respected and BC is kept during the full life
> of a given
> > release.
> >
> Yeah, good description.
>
> Davey, Joe, looks like we have a team now! I've already created the
> https://wiki.php.net/todo/php71 . Added myself as well, similarly to
> todo70, so we have more chance to have one team to be selected. I'd be
> waiting yet till Tuesday and send the voting invitation. After the one week
> vote (as per RFC), we'll be super good in time for planning and
> preparations.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anatol
>
>

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Anatol Belski]

Hi,

> -Original Message-
> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: Davey Shafik <da...@php.net>
> Cc: Anatol Belski <anatol@belski.net>; Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net>; 
> Scott
> Arciszewski <sc...@paragonie.com>; Anatol Belski <a...@php.net>; PHP
> internals <internals@lists.php.net>; Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com>;
> Stanislav Malyshev <s...@php.net>
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap
> 
> > I'm honestly not 100% sure what all is involved, is this documented
> > somewhere?
> >
> > I'm a bit worried that my lack of C mastery will be an issue, but if
> > that's not a problem, then I'd be glad to move forward as you say above.
> 
> C knowledge is not required but a good thing.
> 
> Also C knowledge is required to know the impact of a patch internally.
> Enough people are around to actually review patches and raises possible 
> issues.
> I would not worry too much about that. Lukas for example did a great job and
> was not a C developer to begin with.
> 
> The key role however of the RM is to ensure that the release process goes
> smoothly, the planing is respected and BC is kept during the full life of a 
> given
> release.
> 
Yeah, good description.

Davey, Joe, looks like we have a team now! I've already created the 
https://wiki.php.net/todo/php71 . Added myself as well, similarly to todo70, so 
we have more chance to have one team to be selected. I'd be waiting yet till 
Tuesday and send the voting invitation. After the one week vote (as per RFC), 
we'll be super good in time for planning and preparations.
 
Thanks

Anatol 


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Pierre Joye]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Davey Shafik <da...@php.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Anatol Belski <anatol@belski.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Davey,
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: m...@daveyshafik.com [mailto:m...@daveyshafik.com] On Behalf Of Davey
>> > Shafik
>> > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:03 AM
>> > To: Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net>
>> > Cc: Scott Arciszewski <sc...@paragonie.com>; Anatol Belski <a...@php.net>;
>> > PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>; Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com
>> >;
>> > Stanislav Malyshev <s...@php.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap
>> >
>> > I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?
>> >
>> > - Davey
>> >
>> Thanks for the response. So, how would you see being the master RM for
>> 7.1? I'd introduce you to the basics and would support in the pre-phase, so
>> then you'd be fit to do things independently later on. If later there's yet
>> one more volunteer, they can join you right at the moment. Otherwise you
>> could count on me with some on demand help, ofc.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Anatol
>
>
> Anatol,
>
> I'm honestly not 100% sure what all is involved, is this documented
> somewhere?
>
> I'm a bit worried that my lack of C mastery will be an issue, but if that's
> not a problem, then I'd be glad to move forward as you say above.

C knowledge is not required but a good thing.

Also C knowledge is required to know the impact of a patch internally.
Enough people are around to actually review patches and raises
possible issues. I would not worry too much about that. Lukas for
example did a great job and was not a C developer to begin with.

The key role however of the RM is to ensure that the release process
goes smoothly, the planing is respected and BC is kept during the full
life of a given release.

-- 
Pierre

@pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Joe Watkins]

Morning internals,

If Davey wants another person, that could be me.

Cheers
Joe
On 24 Apr 2016 01:29, "Davey Shafik" <da...@php.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Anatol Belski <anatol@belski.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Davey,
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: m...@daveyshafik.com [mailto:m...@daveyshafik.com] On Behalf Of
> Davey
> > > Shafik
> > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:03 AM
> > > To: Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net>
> > > Cc: Scott Arciszewski <sc...@paragonie.com>; Anatol Belski <a...@php.net
> >;
> > > PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>; Ferenc Kovacs <
> tyr...@gmail.com
> > >;
> > > Stanislav Malyshev <s...@php.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap
> > >
> > > I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?
> > >
> > > - Davey
> > >
> > Thanks for the response. So, how would you see being the master RM for
> > 7.1? I'd introduce you to the basics and would support in the pre-phase,
> so
> > then you'd be fit to do things independently later on. If later there's
> yet
> > one more volunteer, they can join you right at the moment. Otherwise you
> > could count on me with some on demand help, ofc.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Anatol
>
>
> Anatol,
>
> I'm honestly not 100% sure what all is involved, is this documented
> somewhere?
>
> I'm a bit worried that my lack of C mastery will be an issue, but if that's
> not a problem, then I'd be glad to move forward as you say above.
>
> - Davey
>

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Davey Shafik]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Anatol Belski <anatol@belski.net>
wrote:

> Hi Davey,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: m...@daveyshafik.com [mailto:m...@daveyshafik.com] On Behalf Of Davey
> > Shafik
> > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:03 AM
> > To: Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net>
> > Cc: Scott Arciszewski <sc...@paragonie.com>; Anatol Belski <a...@php.net>;
> > PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>; Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com
> >;
> > Stanislav Malyshev <s...@php.net>
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap
> >
> > I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?
> >
> > - Davey
> >
> Thanks for the response. So, how would you see being the master RM for
> 7.1? I'd introduce you to the basics and would support in the pre-phase, so
> then you'd be fit to do things independently later on. If later there's yet
> one more volunteer, they can join you right at the moment. Otherwise you
> could count on me with some on demand help, ofc.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anatol


Anatol,

I'm honestly not 100% sure what all is involved, is this documented
somewhere?

I'm a bit worried that my lack of C mastery will be an issue, but if that's
not a problem, then I'd be glad to move forward as you say above.

- Davey

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Anatol Belski]

Hi Davey,

> -Original Message-
> From: m...@daveyshafik.com [mailto:m...@daveyshafik.com] On Behalf Of Davey
> Shafik
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:03 AM
> To: Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net>
> Cc: Scott Arciszewski <sc...@paragonie.com>; Anatol Belski <a...@php.net>;
> PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>; Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com>;
> Stanislav Malyshev <s...@php.net>
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap
> 
> I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?
> 
> - Davey
> 
Thanks for the response. So, how would you see being the master RM for 7.1? I'd 
introduce you to the basics and would support in the pre-phase, so then you'd 
be fit to do things independently later on. If later there's yet one more 
volunteer, they can join you right at the moment. Otherwise you could count on 
me with some on demand help, ofc.  

Thanks.

Anatol

> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Julien Pauli <jpa...@php.net
> <mailto:jpa...@php.net> > wrote:
> 
> 
>   On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Scott Arciszewski
> <sc...@paragonie.com <mailto:sc...@paragonie.com> > wrote:
>   > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Anatol Belski <a...@php.net
> <mailto:a...@php.net> > wrote:
>   >>
>   >> Hi,
>   >>
>   >> Time goes by fast - no sooner 7.0 was unleashed on the world than
> 7.1
>   >> bangs
>   >> at the door.  I would like to bring a couple of points regarding 
> this.
>   >>
>   >> There is enough time yet, but it would make full sense all the RFC
> authors
>   >> targeting 7.1 to finalize the work and get the RFC voted. Or the 
> RFCs,
>   >> that
>   >> have not been discussed yet - still some time is there to go through
> the
>   >> full RFC process and get them ready for 7.1. It is anyway the right
> moment
>   >> to intensify the discussions and work on 7.1 features and patches.
>   >>
>   >> It looks also like the right time to elect the 7.1 RMs. Please 
> everyone
>   >> interested to run for 7.1 RMs announce your candidacy to this
> thread. I
>   >> would suggest to start the poll on this two weeks after this message,
> with
>   >> the two weeks vote period.
>   >>
>   >> The prerelease cycle start could then happen already in June (or 
> July,
>   >> depends whether one wants to wait till 5.5 EOL). Anyway, having the
> new
>   >> RMs
>   >> team we can start to plan and proceed with the 7.1 prerelease cycle.
>   >>
>   >> Thanks
>   >>
>   >> Anatol
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> --
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>   >>
>   >
>   > Yikes, time really flies.
>   >
>   > The new ext/sodium is out, so I suppose it's high time to get that RFC
> ready
>   > to be voted on.
> 
> 
> 
>   Time runs :-)
> 
>   Anyone for RMing 7.1 ?
>   We obviously need someone to volunteer :-p
> 
> 
>   Julien.Pauli
> 
> 
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Pierre Joye]

On Apr 22, 2016 8:42 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs"  wrote:
>
> co-RM can simply mean "one of the two RMs", and emphasize that somebody
> would volunteer to take the role but not being comfortable to doing it
> alone so I think we are on the same page.

Exactly. And I am convinced Davey and Anatol will come along together for
this release very well.

> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Julien Pauli  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Davey Shafik  wrote:
> > > I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > The Co-RM is the version-1 RM, so it will be Anatol, RM of 7.0.
> > We are looking for a "master" RM here :-)
> >
> >
> > Julien.Pauli
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ferenc Kovács
> @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Ferenc Kovacs]

co-RM can simply mean "one of the two RMs", and emphasize that somebody
would volunteer to take the role but not being comfortable to doing it
alone so I think we are on the same page.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Julien Pauli  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Davey Shafik  wrote:
> > I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?
>
> Hi.
>
> The Co-RM is the version-1 RM, so it will be Anatol, RM of 7.0.
> We are looking for a "master" RM here :-)
>
>
> Julien.Pauli
>



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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Julien Pauli]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Davey Shafik  wrote:
> I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?

Hi.

The Co-RM is the version-1 RM, so it will be Anatol, RM of 7.0.
We are looking for a "master" RM here :-)


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Davey Shafik]

I'd interested in co-RMing 7.1 if someone else wants to step up also?

- Davey

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Julien Pauli  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Scott Arciszewski 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Anatol Belski  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Time goes by fast - no sooner 7.0 was unleashed on the world than 7.1
> >> bangs
> >> at the door.  I would like to bring a couple of points regarding this.
> >>
> >> There is enough time yet, but it would make full sense all the RFC
> authors
> >> targeting 7.1 to finalize the work and get the RFC voted. Or the RFCs,
> >> that
> >> have not been discussed yet - still some time is there to go through the
> >> full RFC process and get them ready for 7.1. It is anyway the right
> moment
> >> to intensify the discussions and work on 7.1 features and patches.
> >>
> >> It looks also like the right time to elect the 7.1 RMs. Please everyone
> >> interested to run for 7.1 RMs announce your candidacy to this thread. I
> >> would suggest to start the poll on this two weeks after this message,
> with
> >> the two weeks vote period.
> >>
> >> The prerelease cycle start could then happen already in June (or July,
> >> depends whether one wants to wait till 5.5 EOL). Anyway, having the new
> >> RMs
> >> team we can start to plan and proceed with the 7.1 prerelease cycle.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Anatol
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >
> > Yikes, time really flies.
> >
> > The new ext/sodium is out, so I suppose it's high time to get that RFC
> ready
> > to be voted on.
>
>
> Time runs :-)
>
> Anyone for RMing 7.1 ?
> We obviously need someone to volunteer :-p
>
>
> Julien.Pauli
>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Julien Pauli]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Scott Arciszewski  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Anatol Belski  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Time goes by fast - no sooner 7.0 was unleashed on the world than 7.1
>> bangs
>> at the door.  I would like to bring a couple of points regarding this.
>>
>> There is enough time yet, but it would make full sense all the RFC authors
>> targeting 7.1 to finalize the work and get the RFC voted. Or the RFCs,
>> that
>> have not been discussed yet - still some time is there to go through the
>> full RFC process and get them ready for 7.1. It is anyway the right moment
>> to intensify the discussions and work on 7.1 features and patches.
>>
>> It looks also like the right time to elect the 7.1 RMs. Please everyone
>> interested to run for 7.1 RMs announce your candidacy to this thread. I
>> would suggest to start the poll on this two weeks after this message, with
>> the two weeks vote period.
>>
>> The prerelease cycle start could then happen already in June (or July,
>> depends whether one wants to wait till 5.5 EOL). Anyway, having the new
>> RMs
>> team we can start to plan and proceed with the 7.1 prerelease cycle.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Anatol
>>
>>
>> --
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>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>>
>
> Yikes, time really flies.
>
> The new ext/sodium is out, so I suppose it's high time to get that RFC ready
> to be voted on.


Time runs :-)

Anyone for RMing 7.1 ?
We obviously need someone to volunteer :-p


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 roadmap

[Scott Arciszewski]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Anatol Belski  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Time goes by fast - no sooner 7.0 was unleashed on the world than 7.1 bangs
> at the door.  I would like to bring a couple of points regarding this.
>
> There is enough time yet, but it would make full sense all the RFC authors
> targeting 7.1 to finalize the work and get the RFC voted. Or the RFCs, that
> have not been discussed yet - still some time is there to go through the
> full RFC process and get them ready for 7.1. It is anyway the right moment
> to intensify the discussions and work on 7.1 features and patches.
>
> It looks also like the right time to elect the 7.1 RMs. Please everyone
> interested to run for 7.1 RMs announce your candidacy to this thread. I
> would suggest to start the poll on this two weeks after this message, with
> the two weeks vote period.
>
> The prerelease cycle start could then happen already in June (or July,
> depends whether one wants to wait till 5.5 EOL). Anyway, having the new RMs
> team we can start to plan and proceed with the 7.1 prerelease cycle.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anatol
>
>
> --
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>
>
​Yikes, time really flies.

​The new ext/sodium is out, so I suppose it's high time to get that RFC
ready to be voted on.​


Scott Arciszewski
Chief Development Officer
Paragon Initiative Enterprises ​