[IRCA] TP 9 Jul Victoria version.

2018-07-09 Thread Nick Hall-Patch 
A shift back to DU...somewhat



pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, at least 
briefly):

nope




Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it understandable by a 
native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):

no


not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or noise could 
be understood by a native speaker: 

and no



Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be guessed at by 
cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk or music)  

612 man talking, DU English intonation 1210UT

774 man talking, Japanese intonation UT

891 man and woman talking, DU English intonation 1210UT

1017 woman and man talking, maybe English? 1143UT

1566 choral music 1146UT; likely HLAZ?



Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or ravaged 
by splatter)

594 828 1287 1503 seemed to be Asian;
576 585 603 675 756 828 855 1053 1098 1503 seemed to be DU 



best wishes,

Nick








Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada  

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[IRCA] OT: TADX on Band 2 FM this evening!

2018-07-09 Thread Glenn Hauser via IRCA 
--- Begin Message ---
AMAZING! CBC radio 1 on 88.5 here in NI from CANADA at 2235 local [2135 UT] 
(Paul Logan, Lisnaskea, Fermanagh, N. Ireland via Steve Whitt, 2246 UT July 8, 
MWCircle yg via DXLD)

The 6m prop maps alerted me, boy there was some amount of traffic going back 
and forth. My main interest is Band 2. This is the fourth North American 
opening noted here since 2003 but they are few and far between. Last one was 
2009. Since 2010 I've heard Puerto Rico on Band 2 twice. It's a very odd 
(slightly shocking) thing hearing the CBC fade up over RTE (Paul Logan, 
later, ibid.)

There are three 88.5s in eastern Canada, per WTFDA FM DB:

CBVG-FM  CBVE-FM 104. 88.5 GASPÉ QC 2.61   0.0   384.5   0.0 
48-50-01 64-15-24 Mono NEWS/TALK CBC RADIO ONE 104.7 FM  

CBME-FM   88.5 MONTRÉAL QC  25.0   0.0   243.0   0.0 
45-30-20 73-35-30 NEWS/TALK CBC RADIO ONE 88.5 FM 

CBN-1-FM CBN-640  88.5 ST. JOHN'S NL 3.612 3.102 221.0 221.0 
47-32-04 52-47-21 NEWS/TALK CBC RADIO ST. JOHN'S Nested Repeater for CBN-640

Newfoundland would be the most likely one by far, except it`s only 3+ kW, while 
Montreal is 25 kW. Distance St. John`s to Lisnaskea is 3205 km = only 1991 
statute miles --- so it`s easily double-hop sporadic E, about the shortest TA 
path possible. But this is no mean feat – in all my years of DXing I have never 
logged double-hop Es on FM. Further post on MWC has an audio clip mentioning 
``driving around Montreal`` but says program was network `Cross-Country 
Checkup`. His antenna a 5-element yagi (Glenn Hauser, DX LISTENING DIGEST)
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Re: [IRCA] phasing units, then and now

2018-07-09 Thread Andrew Ikin 
Hello Guy,

You have raised an interesting question ref. using dual channel SDR for 
phasing. These may in future afford an alternative to some expensive 
commercial phasers. Also the SDR has the option of offering a fixed phase 
over a very wide bandwidth. This could be useful for phasing two orthogonal 
loops to provide omni-direction or with a loop + a resistance loaded 
longwire for a wideband cardioid pattern.

However, like most other phasing schemes the SDR cannot provide a null over 
a wide bandwidth when used say with similar antenna pairs. This can only be 
done with a special Phased array controller when the two endfire antennas 
are run in anti-phase with a delay-line. This phasing also requires a design 
that has zero interaction on the antenna inputs verses phasing/amplitude 
adjustments.

One interesting phaser that may have been overlooked was designed by the 
Late Graham Maynard in the late 1980s. He used a variable delayline to 
provide a 90 degree phase shift with a fixed 180 degree phase reversal 
transformer switched in 4 quadrants to  provide 0-360 degree phasing. The 
advantage of this scheme was a wider null bandwidth as it could be used for 
an endfire array too.

73

Andrew  Ikin






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Re: [IRCA] phasing units, then and now

2018-07-09 Thread Chuck Hutton 
Guy:


I've ben told the AFEDRI native software and HDSDR both support phasing. I have 
two problems with the AFEDRI: (1) it only records 600 kHz spans, and (2) 
phasing can only be done live. There's no way I know of to do phasing on 
recorded files.  This is a shortcomimng that no one has solved for any SDR, as 
best I know.



Chuck


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Subject: Re: [IRCA] phasing units, then and now

Hi Mark,

That was an excellent overview of DX hobbyist use of phasers! You covered
the early history which I wasn't aware of, as I was mostly DXing on the
tropical bands when Gordon Nelson and others did their pioneering work.

There is one more phase (LoL) developing now--software based methods using
coherent dual tuners (or channels). I'm sure you're aware of Afedri's AFE822x
SDR-Net device
. It
AFE822x SDR-Net (Dual 
Channel)
www.afedri-sdr.com
AFE822x SDR-Net ( Dual Channel ) Features Synchronized (diversity) or separated 
(independent) Dual Channel reception mode 100 kHz to 30.00MHz continuous 
frequency range



was introduced a couple of years ago, but unfortunately software has not
appeared to easily take advantage of phasing. If you jump through a lot of
hoops and complexities with LINRAD, you can catch a glimpse of the future
of software phasing, but it's nothing practical for a DXer's use in my
opinion.

Much more recently, SDRplay's RSPduo  was
introduced with its dual tuners. I have one myself, mainly for its future
possibilities. I'm hoping that the 14-bit structure and additional front
end filters will provide better basic performance than earlier RSP models
I've owned.I expect it to be neck-and-neck with the AirSpy HF+ SDRs in a
quiet DXpedition setting...maybe not so much in my suburban RF jungle.

SDRplay looks to be the most active of all the SDR software developers, and
they say they fully intend to offer phasing features in a future release of
SDRuno software. Their activity, enthusiasm, and customer support make me
think they are the group most likely to take software phasing out of the
laboratory and into the DXer's shack. If he has the time and inclination,
Simon Brown of SDR-Console software could implement RSPduo phasing too, but
he's *not* dropped any hints about this.

73,

Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
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Re: [IRCA] phasing units, then and now

2018-07-09 Thread Don Moman VE6JY 
The ANAN Sdr series has phasing capability with control built into the
graphical interface.

Don
VE6JY

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:06 PM Les Rayburn  wrote:

> Guy,
>
> I own an SDRPlay RSP-1 Pro and an RSP-2 Pro, still waiting to install them
> and experiment with SDRUno. My plan was to be set up to record the entire
> FM band on I/Q output for this season, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>
> I’m also eying the SDRDuo for the phasing possibilities. This is
> intriguing for both AM and FM DXing and I hope they implement this option
> in the software soon. Also hopeful that Simon will implement this option in
> SDR-Console at some point in the future. How that guy keeps up is beyond
> me!
>
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA.
>
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> TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
> Korner 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop,
> Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip.
>
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>
>
> > On Jul 9, 2018, at 1:59 PM, Guy Atkins  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > That was an excellent overview of DX hobbyist use of phasers! You covered
> > the early history which I wasn't aware of, as I was mostly DXing on the
> > tropical bands when Gordon Nelson and others did their pioneering work.
> >
> > There is one more phase (LoL) developing now--software based methods
> using
> > coherent dual tuners (or channels).​ I'm sure you're aware of Afedri's
> AFE822x
> > SDR-Net device
> > .
> It
> > was introduced a couple of years ago, but unfortunately software has not
> > appeared to easily take advantage of phasing. If you jump through a lot
> of
> > hoops and complexities with LINRAD, you can catch a glimpse of the future
> > of software phasing, but it's nothing practical for a DXer's use in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Much more recently, SDRplay's RSPduo 
> was
> > introduced with its dual tuners. I have one myself, mainly for its future
> > possibilities. I'm hoping that the 14-bit structure and additional front
> > end filters will provide better basic performance than earlier RSP models
> > I've owned.I expect it to be neck-and-neck with the AirSpy HF+ SDRs in a
> > quiet DXpedition setting...maybe not so much in my suburban RF jungle.
> >
> > SDRplay looks to be the most active of all the SDR software developers,
> and
> > they say they fully intend to offer phasing features in a future release
> of
> > SDRuno software. Their activity, enthusiasm, and customer support make me
> > think they are the group most likely to take software phasing out of the
> > laboratory and into the DXer's shack. If he has the time and inclination,
> > Simon Brown of SDR-Console software could implement RSPduo phasing too,
> but
> > he's *not* dropped any hints about this.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Guy Atkins
> > Puyallup, WA
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Re: [IRCA] RFC - NCC-1 or NCC-2

2018-07-09 Thread Neil Kazaross 
175' is a bit close for a side by side (Broadside) array, but a bit far for
an end to end (Endfire array) for BCB, but certainly this should still
provide pattern improvements.  73 KAZ

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:49 PM, Brandon Jordan  wrote:

> I walked the spacing off today, it looks like roughly 175’ from SAL to SAL
> center.
>
> One of these will be a SAL-35, the second a SAL-30. I have more spacing
> options for a SAL-20 as the second SAL, up to a 400’.
>
> > On Jul 7, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> >
> > By all means phase two SAL's or similar if you have room. How far apart
> can
> > you place them?  73 KAZ
> >
> >> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Brandon Jordan 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Colin. I missed this post somehow but, since seeing it, thought I
> >> should respond. I own both the NCC-1 and NCC-2. I actually thought I
> sold
> >> the NCC-1 last year on eBay but obviously did not as I just found it
> boxed
> >> up in my radio room closet.
> >>
> >> I have way more experience with the NCC-1, mainly phasing dual DXE
> active
> >> whips. I bought the NCC-2 from a ham who couldn’t figure out how to use
> it,
> >> but unfortunately since I put it online after a few months of being
> boxed,
> >> I don’t have any output out of antenna 2 so it is going to DXE for
> repair.
> >> Long story short, no experience with the NCC-2 besides a few days of
> >> testing when it first arrived. The NCC-1 worked great on two DXE active
> >> whips spaced 100’ apart.
> >>
> >> I have been so enamored with the Shared Apex Loop that regular phasers
> >> have been a bit on the back-burner and why I am now very interested in
> your
> >> new model. In speaking with the SAL guru Mark Bauman about dimensions
> on a
> >> SAL-35, he mentioned phasing two SAL’s could be very interesting and
> since
> >> I happen to have two SAL units I am planning on experimenting with
> that. I
> >> have the post holes dug, the 35’ masts aluminum masts built and etc
> ready
> >> to go but don’t see me getting those up until it cools off some here in
> TN.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Brandon
> >>
> >>>
> >
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Re: [IRCA] phasing units, then and now

2018-07-09 Thread Les Rayburn 
Guy,

I own an SDRPlay RSP-1 Pro and an RSP-2 Pro, still waiting to install them and 
experiment with SDRUno. My plan was to be set up to record the entire FM band 
on I/Q output for this season, but that hasn’t happened yet. 

I’m also eying the SDRDuo for the phasing possibilities. This is intriguing for 
both AM and FM DXing and I hope they implement this option in the software 
soon. Also hopeful that Simon will implement this option in SDR-Console at some 
point in the future. How that guy keeps up is beyond me! 




73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR2, SDRPlay RSP-2 Pro, Sony XDR-F1HD, Dennon 
TU-1500RD, Sangean HDT-1, Ray Dees RDS Decoders,
Korner 9.2 Antenna, FM-6 Antenna, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, 
Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 

“Nothing but blues and Elvis, and somebody else’s favorite song…” 


> On Jul 9, 2018, at 1:59 PM, Guy Atkins  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> That was an excellent overview of DX hobbyist use of phasers! You covered
> the early history which I wasn't aware of, as I was mostly DXing on the
> tropical bands when Gordon Nelson and others did their pioneering work.
> 
> There is one more phase (LoL) developing now--software based methods using
> coherent dual tuners (or channels).​ I'm sure you're aware of Afedri's AFE822x
> SDR-Net device
> . It
> was introduced a couple of years ago, but unfortunately software has not
> appeared to easily take advantage of phasing. If you jump through a lot of
> hoops and complexities with LINRAD, you can catch a glimpse of the future
> of software phasing, but it's nothing practical for a DXer's use in my
> opinion.
> 
> Much more recently, SDRplay's RSPduo  was
> introduced with its dual tuners. I have one myself, mainly for its future
> possibilities. I'm hoping that the 14-bit structure and additional front
> end filters will provide better basic performance than earlier RSP models
> I've owned.I expect it to be neck-and-neck with the AirSpy HF+ SDRs in a
> quiet DXpedition setting...maybe not so much in my suburban RF jungle.
> 
> SDRplay looks to be the most active of all the SDR software developers, and
> they say they fully intend to offer phasing features in a future release of
> SDRuno software. Their activity, enthusiasm, and customer support make me
> think they are the group most likely to take software phasing out of the
> laboratory and into the DXer's shack. If he has the time and inclination,
> Simon Brown of SDR-Console software could implement RSPduo phasing too, but
> he's *not* dropped any hints about this.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Guy Atkins
> Puyallup, WA
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Re: [IRCA] phasing units, then and now

2018-07-09 Thread Guy Atkins 
Hi Mark,

That was an excellent overview of DX hobbyist use of phasers! You covered
the early history which I wasn't aware of, as I was mostly DXing on the
tropical bands when Gordon Nelson and others did their pioneering work.

There is one more phase (LoL) developing now--software based methods using
coherent dual tuners (or channels).​ I'm sure you're aware of Afedri's AFE822x
SDR-Net device
. It
was introduced a couple of years ago, but unfortunately software has not
appeared to easily take advantage of phasing. If you jump through a lot of
hoops and complexities with LINRAD, you can catch a glimpse of the future
of software phasing, but it's nothing practical for a DXer's use in my
opinion.

Much more recently, SDRplay's RSPduo  was
introduced with its dual tuners. I have one myself, mainly for its future
possibilities. I'm hoping that the 14-bit structure and additional front
end filters will provide better basic performance than earlier RSP models
I've owned.I expect it to be neck-and-neck with the AirSpy HF+ SDRs in a
quiet DXpedition setting...maybe not so much in my suburban RF jungle.

SDRplay looks to be the most active of all the SDR software developers, and
they say they fully intend to offer phasing features in a future release of
SDRuno software. Their activity, enthusiasm, and customer support make me
think they are the group most likely to take software phasing out of the
laboratory and into the DXer's shack. If he has the time and inclination,
Simon Brown of SDR-Console software could implement RSPduo phasing too, but
he's *not* dropped any hints about this.

73,

Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
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Re: [IRCA] RFC - NCC-1 or NCC-2

2018-07-09 Thread Brandon Jordan 
I walked the spacing off today, it looks like roughly 175’ from SAL to SAL 
center.

One of these will be a SAL-35, the second a SAL-30. I have more spacing options 
for a SAL-20 as the second SAL, up to a 400’.

> On Jul 7, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> 
> By all means phase two SAL's or similar if you have room. How far apart can
> you place them?  73 KAZ
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Brandon Jordan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Colin. I missed this post somehow but, since seeing it, thought I
>> should respond. I own both the NCC-1 and NCC-2. I actually thought I sold
>> the NCC-1 last year on eBay but obviously did not as I just found it boxed
>> up in my radio room closet.
>> 
>> I have way more experience with the NCC-1, mainly phasing dual DXE active
>> whips. I bought the NCC-2 from a ham who couldn’t figure out how to use it,
>> but unfortunately since I put it online after a few months of being boxed,
>> I don’t have any output out of antenna 2 so it is going to DXE for repair.
>> Long story short, no experience with the NCC-2 besides a few days of
>> testing when it first arrived. The NCC-1 worked great on two DXE active
>> whips spaced 100’ apart.
>> 
>> I have been so enamored with the Shared Apex Loop that regular phasers
>> have been a bit on the back-burner and why I am now very interested in your
>> new model. In speaking with the SAL guru Mark Bauman about dimensions on a
>> SAL-35, he mentioned phasing two SAL’s could be very interesting and since
>> I happen to have two SAL units I am planning on experimenting with that. I
>> have the post holes dug, the 35’ masts aluminum masts built and etc ready
>> to go but don’t see me getting those up until it cools off some here in TN.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Brandon
>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [IRCA] TADX on Band 2 FM this evening!

2018-07-09 Thread R. Colin Newell 
Double hop Es I imagine. 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Jul 8, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
> 
> This from Medium Wave Circle list, Canada to Northern Ireland on FM.
> 
> WRTH 2018 is the only listing I have of Canadian FMs...St. John's, NL listed 
> on 88.5, 3.6kwnot bad
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> AMAZING!
>> 
>> CBC radio 1 on 88.5 here in NI from CANADA @ 2235 local
>> Paul Logan
>> Lisnaskea, Fermanagh, N. Ireland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __._,_.___
>> 
>> --
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[IRCA] TADX on Band 2 FM this evening!

2018-07-09 Thread Nick Hall-Patch 

This from Medium Wave Circle list, Canada to Northern Ireland on FM.

WRTH 2018 is the only listing I have of Canadian FMs...St. John's, NL 
listed on 88.5, 3.6kwnot bad


best wishes,

Nick










AMAZING!

CBC radio 1 on 88.5 here in NI from CANADA @ 2235 local
Paul Logan
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[IRCA] TP 8 Jul Victoria version.

2018-07-09 Thread Nick Hall-Patch 
Mostly Asian this morning.



pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, at least 
briefly):

JOUB came close




Reasonable audio  at  times during the period (much of it understandable by a 
native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):

774 JOUB man in Japanese 1135-8UT, would have been very readable without the 
770 splatter.



not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or noise could 
be understood by a native speaker: 

747 JOIB man in Japanese 1142UT, //774 at 1144UT, but weaker then



Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be guessed at by 
cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk or music)  

774 woman talking, DU English intonation 1225UT

972 man talking, possibly Korean? 1128UT

1566 slow male vocal 1125-27UT; likely HLAZ?



Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or ravaged 
by splatter)

594 828 891 1188 1197 1287 seemed to be Asian;
756 1017 1098  seemed to be DU 



best wishes,

Nick








Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada  

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