[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
John Woodhouse posted on Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:55:30 -0700 as excerpted: > The other problem on opensuse is that there are many many sets of out of > date instructions and one click installs about in all areas that are > sure to mess the system up. > Anyway as I found web doc abounds but not really that helpful as there > are zero examples I'm aware of or could find I posted it as it might > help some. Those last four words are the important part! =:^) As long as it helps some and isn't actively messing others up, it's all good! =:^) > The reads have grown enormously since last time I looked. > There are many very helpful people on that forum but most have their way > of doing things and wont even consider other ways. > > By the way 2 dpms's in my case worked. 1 didn't. I suspect this is down > to some newer graphics cards. Not sure. The xorg.conf manpage covers a lot of this. You have the Option "DPMS" set in two different sections, the monitor section (identified as "Monitor0" and the screen section (identified as "Screen0". Neither of those are global to the X-session as a whole, as there can be more than one X "screen", each of which can contain more than one "monitor". As an aside, the way you posted the text on the forums works as X doesn't care about indention (it's X readable), but it's not particularly human readable. The more traditional way to write it would indent the contents of each section, emphasizing the section hierarchy, like so (following your lead I've truncated a few more lines for posting, indicating them with dots ".": # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 260.19.44 (buildmeister@swio- Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout0" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section "Files" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Belinea" ModelName "2225 S1W" HorizSync 31.0 - 81.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 60.0 Modeline "1680x1050_60.00" 146.25 .. Modeline "1152x864_60.00" 81.75 .. Modeline "1024x766_60.00" 63.25 ... Option "DPMS" "FALSE" Option "DPI" "100 x 100" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" Option "useEDIDFreqs" "FALSE" Option "useEDIDDpi" "FALSE" Option "ModeValidation" "NoEdidModes" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Device0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1680x1050_60.00" "1280x1024" "1152x864_60.00" EndSubSection Option "DPMS" "FALSE" EndSection Again, the xorg.conf manpage (which I do truly hope your distro installs, it's /ever/ so helpful!) has several short example sections demonstrating this. As I said, it's whitespace agnostic. As long as you have at LEAST one space between entries on a line and don't split or combine lines, X won't care. So while I used tabs above, you can use spaces, like so... Section "Example" Identifier "Example0" Entry "Value0" SubSection "Subsect" Subentry "x" "y" "z" EndSubSection Option "OptA" "FALSE" EndSection ... You can line up the values too if desired Section "Example" Identifier"Example0" Entry "Value0" SubSection"Subsect" Subentry"" "" "" EndSubSection Option"OptA" "FALSE" EndSection Be sure to keep quoted values quoted and bare values bare, however. That DOES matter! The above makes it far clearer what's going on, and that you indeed do have DPMS options in two different sections. The xorg.conf manpage puts the DPMS option in the monitor section, thus allowing you to set monitors differently if you have more than one. It appears that you only have one monitor, however, and I suspect that it's actually this section's DPMS option that's being used. You can thus likely delete the screen section DPMS option and still have it work. The caveat is that you're running the nVidia proprietary driver, which may have its own rules. I believe it comes with its own rather detailed README file documenting its config. You can either read that and figure it out, or simply try it with only the monitor section DPMS option, and see. Meanwhile... the files section is entirely empty so you might as well
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
- Original Message > From: Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> > To: kde@mail.kde.org > Sent: Wed, 1 June, 2011 14:55:03 > Subject: [kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? >[OT] > > Felix Miata posted on Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:43:09 -0400 as excerpted: > > > On 2011/06/01 02:29 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: > > > >> The important aspects are the edid disables. Also the 2 power save over > >> rides if like me you want your monitor to remain on what ever. I use > >> the power switch. I also wish there was a desktop switch to enable and > >> disable system power save modes at will. As things stand I have to > >> install noacpi or it drives me up the wall. > > > > 'Option "DPMS" "off"' isn't good enough for you? > > If you check his link, that's what he's referring to with "power save over > rides". > > It seems pretty basic to me, nothing worth commenting about as it's > ordinary xorg.conf functionality that was there long before it was even > xorg.conf (while it was still xf86config), but then, I've been handling > manual X configs since I was forced to do so back in late 2001 to get my > (then) triple-head setup working in Linux as I switched from MS Windows 98 > instead of upgrading to eXPrivacy. But I imagine it might be worth > commenting on for someone who has just discovered the manual config method > after struggling with an uncooperative GUI for awhile... > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > > ___ I never go down there or even into the shell unless I need to. Suse and then Opensuse were rather good on this aspect but the install has worsened with time and the desktop system utility is no longer supported so has been dropped. ;-) I posted that lot just to show that there are other ways than those suggested by the many shell bashers. The other problem on opensuse is that there are many many sets of out of date instructions and one click installs about in all areas that are sure to mess the system up. Anyway as I found web doc abounds but not really that helpful as there are zero examples I'm aware of or could find I posted it as it might help some. The reads have grown enormously since last time I looked. There are many very helpful people on that forum but most have their way of doing things and wont even consider other ways. By the way 2 dpms's in my case worked. 1 didn't. I suspect this is down to some newer graphics cards. Not sure. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
Felix Miata posted on Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:43:09 -0400 as excerpted: > On 2011/06/01 02:29 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: > >> The important aspects are the edid disables. Also the 2 power save over >> rides if like me you want your monitor to remain on what ever. I use >> the power switch. I also wish there was a desktop switch to enable and >> disable system power save modes at will. As things stand I have to >> install noacpi or it drives me up the wall. > > 'Option "DPMS" "off"' isn't good enough for you? If you check his link, that's what he's referring to with "power save over rides". It seems pretty basic to me, nothing worth commenting about as it's ordinary xorg.conf functionality that was there long before it was even xorg.conf (while it was still xf86config), but then, I've been handling manual X configs since I was forced to do so back in late 2001 to get my (then) triple-head setup working in Linux as I switched from MS Windows 98 instead of upgrading to eXPrivacy. But I imagine it might be worth commenting on for someone who has just discovered the manual config method after struggling with an uncooperative GUI for awhile... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
On 2011/06/01 02:29 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: > The important aspects are the edid disables. Also the 2 power save over rides > if > like me you want your monitor to remain on what ever. I use the power switch. > I > also wish there was a desktop switch to enable and disable system power save > modes at will. As things stand I have to install noacpi or it drives me up the > wall. 'Option "DPMS" "off"' isn't good enough for you? > One other aspect is that xorg.conf can disappear and be replaced by separate > files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ . No signs of this happening but it would > appear > that it's just a case of moving the xorg.conf sections into individual files. > A > meaningless change really as is often the case. Maybe https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32430 is what you're thinking of? Individual files was implemented to facilitate minor customizations that are difficult for individual users to figure out how to make in xorg.conf, which requires a certain system of serverlayout, identifiers, screen(s) & device(s) to get to actually work. Using the separate files one can implement as little as one line to implement desired customization. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
> > Override is commonly necessary for those with imperfect vision and/or above > average device density. Some X implementations are so closely tied to EDID > that escape therefrom can be difficult if not impossible, e.g. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692293 > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > ___ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. > I had great fun with this aspect as well. It seems that distro's rely on EDID monitors that also have the correct lead and don't concern themselves with people who want to change things or have older monitors. Opensuse dumped me it 800x600. Real fun sorting that out using the machine like that and there is also the nouveau driver problem when installing prop. drivers. It usually has to be removed and replaced with something else 1st. The std vesa driver would be a good option. I will post the following link as it may help others with xorg.conf problems and this area does in a way relate to kde. http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/458632-installing-nvidia-driver-easiest-i-have-found-date.html The important aspects are the edid disables. Also the 2 power save over rides if like me you want your monitor to remain on what ever. I use the power switch. I also wish there was a desktop switch to enable and disable system power save modes at will. As things stand I have to install noacpi or it drives me up the wall. One other aspect is that xorg.conf can disappear and be replaced by separate files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ . No signs of this happening but it would appear that it's just a case of moving the xorg.conf sections into individual files. A meaningless change really as is often the case. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
On 2011/05/31 11:05 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: > I didn't match the dpi of the monitor to X settings. I generated xorg.conf > file > mode lines for my monitor using cvt in the console. Initially I used display > size for X scaling but later changed to dpi as this looked to give more > options > for messing about later. 100dpi came about as it seemed to be one of 2 values > X > prefers. That pair of preferences dates back to the days of bitmap fonts, infrequently used on any modern computer, and very rarely seen in web pages. Scalable fonts are tuned to look best at 72 and/or 96 DPI and the most common sizes used at those pixel densities. That tuning usually means a DPI multiple of at least four is required for fonts to scale decently from one step to the next, but fonts usually work much better with a density multiple of 12 or 16, and best at a multiple of 24. IOW, 72, 96, 120, 144, 168 & 192 are usually better than 84, 108, 132 & 156, which in turn are better than 86, 90, 111, 131, 143 & other random densities that match LCD device densities. > My monitor is more like 90. Many monitors use edid so don't need an > xorg.conf file but people sometimes over ride edid anyway. Override is commonly necessary for those with imperfect vision and/or above average device density. Some X implementations are so closely tied to EDID that escape therefrom can be difficult if not impossible, e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692293 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
- Original Message > From: Felix Miata > To: kde@mail.kde.org > Sent: Tue, 31 May, 2011 14:21:33 > Subject: [kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? >[OT] > > On 2011/05/31 03:49 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: > > > I run a 22ins monitor at 1680x1050 that's been with me for many years. >About 9 > > I think. Now hd tv's are available I am wondering about moving in that >direction > > but there really isn't much of a gain in resolution so it's a question of >just > > how big one can go before the dot size/spacing becomes a problem. I run the > > monitor at 100dpi which produces nice tight clear text. that is a little >small > > for ageing eyes without some aid. At some point I intend to play with this >and x > > scaling to see just how large I can go before things get objectionable. > > It's not necessary for your DTE's DPI to match your display's DPI. Forcing > DPI is a practical way to scale the whole desktop to meet personal needs. > Usually setting DisplaySize in xorg.conf will get the job done at the > outset, > though proprietary NVidia users can set DPI directly. Xrandr can do it, but > using it is actually less straightforward, particularly figuring out your > distro's preferred place to put startup xrandr commands. > > DPI multiples of 12 can produce more pleasing results than exact display > device matches or arbitrary values. http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize > provides settings for reaching 12 multiples. I usually force 120 or 144 and > view from a greater than average distance. > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > ___ > This message is from the kde mailing list. > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. > I didn't match the dpi of the monitor to X settings. I generated xorg.conf file mode lines for my monitor using cvt in the console. Initially I used display size for X scaling but later changed to dpi as this looked to give more options for messing about later. 100dpi came about as it seemed to be one of 2 values X prefers. My monitor is more like 90. Many monitors use edid so don't need an xorg.conf file but people sometimes over ride edid anyway. As things stand it works out well. Pages scale sensibly even the one on Felix's hall of shame showing a book type tablet - Barnes and Noble. The text on the touch reader is easily readable if slightly fuzzy due the quality of the image I suspect. The text on this mail is more or less the same as that generated by kde. Must admit I miss wysiwig in respect to word processors but it does allow more on the screen. The text is probably about 2/3rds or more of the size normally used on a letter etc when printed. I wear 1.25 dioptre reading glasses at the pc. The optician would up that but it's best to fight ageing eyes as given the excuse they get worse rapidly. At the moment my monitor is viewed from about 18ins. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the "new activity" item from the desktop? [OT]
On 2011/05/31 03:49 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: > I run a 22ins monitor at 1680x1050 that's been with me for many years. About > 9 > I think. Now hd tv's are available I am wondering about moving in that > direction > but there really isn't much of a gain in resolution so it's a question of just > how big one can go before the dot size/spacing becomes a problem. I run the > monitor at 100dpi which produces nice tight clear text. that is a little small > for ageing eyes without some aid. At some point I intend to play with this > and x > scaling to see just how large I can go before things get objectionable. It's not necessary for your DTE's DPI to match your display's DPI. Forcing DPI is a practical way to scale the whole desktop to meet personal needs. Usually setting DisplaySize in xorg.conf will get the job done at the outset, though proprietary NVidia users can set DPI directly. Xrandr can do it, but using it is actually less straightforward, particularly figuring out your distro's preferred place to put startup xrandr commands. DPI multiples of 12 can produce more pleasing results than exact display device matches or arbitrary values. http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize provides settings for reaching 12 multiples. I usually force 120 or 144 and view from a greater than average distance. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
