Re: KRnet> KR>Re: The 'Plans' Quandary

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi Folks,

When I bought my plans I had everything scanned in high-resolution.  I 
have files of my
plans set in both pdf and (If i remember correctly) bmp formats.  Cost a 
couple hundred
bucks to scan and convert everything, but since I figured one spilled 
cup of coffee or

paint in the shop would make them  unreadable, this was my backup.

IF it turns out that open sourcing and updating the plans is a project 
for real, I
could make these available to the group.  Save a couple hundred bucks in 
startup

costs.

Regards,

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Re: KRnet> KR>Re: The 'Plans' Quandary

[Michael via KRnet]

Greetings

  Janette's decisions not with standing; "Open Sourcing'' the plans under
one of the licenses as suggested by Dave would allow a Community effort to
revitalise the plans.  CAD guru's can re-work teh plans and "editors" can
re-work the build manual and other supporting documentation and the publish
it all under the BSD or similar license.  Mark's idea of releasing it all
under a new name like "FreeBird" would be great

I for one would be willing to help edit, clean-up & modernise soft copies
of the current build manual and generate some of the eletrical schematics
etc (I am no CAD anything!).  I also have tools to create tiled PDFs of any
large CAD drawings to even printing can be down on an home printer and then
taped together to form the large-format plans.

Regards
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 05:12, Dave Klingler  wrote:

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KR>Re: Barrel roll

[Sid Wood]

Most KR-2 aircraft are rated for negative G for the airframe.  The classic 
Barrel Roll is intended to be a positive G maneuver.  There is always a 
possibility of inadvertently going negative G or becoming disoriented and 
loosing control of the aircraft.  Most KR-2 aircraft are not built with 
inverted fuel systems that incorporate "flop-tubes" in the fuel tank, 
sealing vents, or pressure carbs.  Engine oil systems generally do not 
provide continuous oil lubrication while inverted unless fitted with oil 
scavenger pumps and crankcase sealing.
Pilot and passenger seat belts need to be rated and properly used for 
inverted flight.  Instruction and endorsement by a qualified flight 
instructor is highly recommended.  Most countries it is a legal requirement.


Stay safe.
Sid Wood
California, MD, USA

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Hi KR friends,
I am not having the intention to do heavy acrobatics but I really want to 
learn to do a Barrel roll.I have acrobatics experience so that should not be 
the problem.

Someone out there who knows the entry speed to start with the manoeuvre?
Thanks
stef



Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see 
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KR>Re: "moving KRnet" list to another provider today, Tuesday

[Joe Wallace]

Mark, Good Move..Our son which has a website for his companies, doing RC 
airplane supply is having the same problems with NO SERVICE !


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> months now, and the new owners don't seem to know how to fix it.  It also has 
> a painful graphical user interface that's sorely lacking.  I could go on and 
> on, but suffice it to say that today we'll be transitioning to another email 
> list hostthis time the one with the best reviews, and a proven history.  
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KR>Re: "moving KRnet" list to another provider today, Tuesday

[G R Pickett]

Bring it on, and please be patient with people like me, that are sometimes slow 
to see the easy stuff.
Griff P at LXT

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From: Mark Langford 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 9:35:18 AM
To: KRnet 
Subject: KR>"moving KRnet" list to another provider today, Tuesday

We've had some serious problems with the folks who "host" the KRnet list
latelythe folks with the big servers who host many other lists as
well.  The primary developer died suddenly about a year ago, and support
has been a ship adrift ever since.  It's been impossible to add new
subscribers for months now, and the new owners don't seem to know how to
fix it.  It also has a painful graphical user interface that's sorely
lacking.  I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that today we'll
be transitioning to another email list hostthis time the one with
the best reviews, and a proven history.  We (John Bouyea and I) don't
expect any hiccups, but if you send a message and don't see it, it may
show up later in the day, or send it again later.

More than likely, y'all will never know it happened from an email
standpoint, but we're going back to "Mailman2" (the industry standard)
from the current hassle of Affinity/Empathy sites that were implemented
as part of the "bleeding edge" Mailman3 system that we're now on.  So
the email archive and other account administration stuff will revert
back to what we used 10 years ago.  I don't know yet if you'll have to
go back into that system and set up an account and password to set
options such as digest mode or not, but as we learn we'll let you know
what the process is.  We're KR builders here.simple is good!

Thanks,
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KR>Re: Barrel roll

[Mark Langford]

Stef wrote:

> I am not having the intention to do heavy acrobatics but I really 
want to learn to do a
> Barrel roll.I have acrobatics experience so that should not be the 
problem.

> Someone out there who knows the entry speed to start with the manoeuvre?

I'm usually doing 130 mph or so when I enter into an "aileron" roll, but 
I don't know that it's critical.  I've never done a "barrel roll" 
thoughprobably not smart enough to do it anyway!


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KR>Re: Manual "Sparky" Sparks

[shafferj455js]

Mike Stirewalt, Thanks for sharing this. Prayers for the Sparks
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KR>Re: Manual "Sparky" Sparks

[Mark Langford]

John Bouyea wrote:

>Langford's famous quote "Today is one day closer to losing your 
medical so better finish your project now and  get flying!"<


I have to give William Wynne credit for that one, worded a bit differently.

Sparky will certainly be missed.  He's been a large part of KR support 
for decades


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KR>Re: Manual "Sparky" Sparks

[John Bouyea]

Mike,
Along with his being one of the true KR family originals, I know you and
Sparky had a close friendship. I'm sorry for your loss.
Unless I'm not recalling it correctly, seems he listed his KR for sale not
all that long ago. Was he able to sell his KR before his health declined?
Sparky (along with his little dog and copilot) will be someone I wished I'd
had the opportunity to meet. Damn.
Sparky's passing 's good reminder of Langford's famous quote; "Today is just
one day closer to losing your medical so better finish your project now and
get flying!" Or something like that.
John Bouyea
N133RM KR-2S - imported, fixed & flying
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From: Mike Stirewalt 
Manual "Sparky" Sparks
Many old timers will remember him.  Passed away today, almost 91... 
Thought it was worth a mention that he's gone.  Many will remember him.  


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KR>Re: Engine failure video

[Phillip Matheson]

Well done mark. I thought I was going ok with 3 forced landings
Two PSRU gearbox both made runway 
1 on take off at  about 250 into a feet field and took out a water channel, 
with nose wheel and left main collapsing and two of the 3 prop. Blades. 

It’s all fun as long as you walk away. So practice will help with a better 
outcome

Side slipping ( left wing down for better vision) in my KR2 was at 80 kts. It 
really lost some height, kick in right rudder and level, perfect short field 
landing. Just needs a few goes 

Phil. 

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> Mark wrote:
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> > I know I sound like a broken record, but engine failures like this are
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KR>Re: Engine failure video

[Mark Langford]

I wrote:

> I know I sound like a broken record, but engine failures like this are
> the reason I usually either fly at 9500' or 10,500'.

Here's my (checkered) record of deadstick landings:

broken crank - put it on a runway
broken crank - put it on a runway
flywheel bolt broke - put it on I-65
broken crank - put it in a hay field
blown oil line - put it on a runway
sucked valve - put it in a bean field

Altitude gives choices.

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KR>Re: Engine failure video

[Mark Langford]

I know I sound like a broken record, but engine failures like this are 
the reason I usually either fly at 9500' or 10,500'.  And I don't do the 
"standard" 500 fpm descents, I wait until I know exactly where the 
airport is, and as anybody who's flown with me will tell you, I chop the 
throttle, dive into the pattern, and glide all the way to the runway. 
I'm usually a bit high on final, so quite often slip it hard to bleed 
off speed before I get to the threshold, and even over the runway if 
needed. I try to hit the end of the runway, regardless of how long it 
is, just for the practice, and because my home runway is short and 
narrowand that's my habit.


Learning to slip your KR is a great way to bleed off lots of speed when 
it's clear you'll be too hot on approach.  Practicing at 5000' or so 
gives plenty of room if you stall it, but you'll know when you're really 
close to stall, and learn from that alsonote the indicated airspeed 
and remember it, and add it to your airplane flight manual.  Try the 
same in steep banks and low speeds, and note the airspeed.  You'll gain 
a lot of insight into what you can do and what you can't do.  Practice 
at least every year or so.  I'll never understand why some people have 
never stalled their KRs, given the important data point gained from that 
simple exercise.


It's also vital to practice engine-out landings, which I do almost every 
flight.  As I find a destination airport, I'll get to the point where I 
think I may or may not be able to make it, chop the throttle, and then 
make it work.  I very rarely have to give it any throttle at the end. 
Because of this practice, I'm a pretty good judge of nailing a landing, 
which is especially important if you have to put it down on a road or in 
a field somewhere.


Obtaining glide ratio for your airplane is important too, so if the 
engine quits on a cross-country, you can choose the best airport that 
you know you can reach, based on your glide ratio, best glide speed, and 
the wind direction at the time.  With my Corvair, I obtained the glide 
ratio from 10,000', both with prop at idle, and engine switched 
completely off, and timing the descent to the runway.  There was no 
discernible difference between the two.  The Corvair has a high 
compression ratio and a short prop, so it doesn't windmill, and you 
can't restart the engine even in a 200 mph diveeven if it would run.
Best glide speed for N56ML turned out to be 85 MPH true air speed, 
yielding a 11.5:1 glide ratio.


Another benefit to flying high is that it's normally a lot smoother up 
there!  Yes, wind speeds are higher, but it all works out, in the long 
run, because the extra safety is worth it


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KR>Re: Engine failure video

[shafferj455js]

Hi Jeff. Yes, this guy really kept his cool. I have always liked
flying cross country around 10K. Laugh if you want, but I like
tracking the VORs from up there, and also trying to spot them on the
ground, as I pass over them. John Shaffer, Fremont, Ohio.

 
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KR>Re: Craigslist listing

[John Bouyea]

If there is any sincere interest in this ad listing a KR project for sale in
the Portland area, I can report back after I see it. The viewing timeframe
is not until after April 5th.
John Bouyea
N133RM KR-2S - imported, fixed & flying
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OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

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Just saw this on Craigslist:
https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/avo/d/warren-vintage-aircraft-kit-plane/
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KR>Re: Engine failure video

[John Bouyea]

Jeff,
Nice post! This guy handled his engine failure so well and smoothly I didn't
even hear about it. And I live 3nm away!
Langford always flies at 9500 or higher. After seeing this graceful example
video, I need to spend more time climbing to altitude...
John Bouyea
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OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

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If you guys have ever wondered why some of our intrepid KR Aviators always
travel at >10,000' ...   Altitude  give you time and distance and is your
best friend when things go wrong... unless you are on fire.
-Jeff Scott

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KR>Re: Tri-Gear Landing Gear - height off ground?

[Flesner]

On 2/27/2022 1:57 PM, G R Pickett wrote:

How high off the asphalt are other planes' trailing edge?  And leading edge?




If you know how high you want the prop hub, how long does the gear have 
to be to put the prop hub that high with the aircraft level?  Level the 
aircraft with the current gear and see what adjustment has to be made.


Photo of the new KR?

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KR>Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 238, Issue 1

[Parley Byington]

Living in the land of the free has NOTHING to do with luck!

As a Vietnam era veteran who is one of MANY veterans and patriots who 
voluntsrily

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>   1. Weight and balance and inspections. (colin hales)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:02:28 +
> From: colin hales 
> Subject: KR>Weight and balance and inspections.
> To: "krnet@list.krnet.org" 
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> Just for clarification and this is just in the UK, but I expect it is the 
> same in Europe, we can only build the original KR2 to the original design. 
> MAUW of 900 and a max empty weight of 580lb. Any heavier and it becomes a 
> single-seat aircraft only. That is the law. I'm not actually that sure of the 
> MAUW of the KR2S. I don't have it at hand. But again, it must be limited to 
> that MAUW and not a single pound or kilo over.
> 
> So weight and balance become very important. The American way of bigger is 
> better,  we just can't do. That is why there are no thoughts of just putting 
> an 0-200 in it and not worry about weight or C of G range. That's why we go 
> for lighter more efficient engines. Think yourself lucky if you like, to live 
> in America and have the Experimental category to do as you like. We can't do 
> that here in the UK and probably not in Europe as well.
> 
> Also, I'm not sure about the States, but our aircraft have to be inspected 
> each year by an independent inspector for its annual inspection.  These 
> inspectors can be quite thorough and if they are new to the aircraft, they 
> will want to trawl through the original paperwork again to check it all and 
> make sure there are no errors that have been missed. So even if the aircraft 
> has done 1000 hours like mine, I could be asked for the original weight and 
> balance calculations. He isn't missing any boats, he just wants to see the 
> paperwork. Yes, there seems little point, but as he is the guy signing your 
> aircraft off and he might be doing you a favour, so whatever he wants to see 
> for whatever reason, you find it for him.
> 
> Thank goodness,  being a licensed aircraft engineer, our governing body let 
> me sign my own annual. But for others, it can be quite a problem finding an 
> engineer prepared to put his signature and his career on a KR2.
> 
> CH.
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KR>Re: Dropbox

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Thanks Larry and Mark
On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 07:40:52 PM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2/22/2022 6:00 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:
>  I would hate to impose additional work on anyone let alone Mark or John, but 
>I am wondering (out loud) if we had access to a server that had the bandwidth 
>to share larger files.

++

I think Mark has expanded our options to an acceptable level. I'll not 
give the numbers without Mark's approval.  Not sure why some files came 
through and others didn't but it was not for limited band width.

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KR>Re: Dropbox

[Flesner]

On 2/22/2022 6:00 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:

  I would hate to impose additional work on anyone let alone Mark or John, but 
I am wondering (out loud) if we had access to a server that had the bandwidth 
to share larger files.


++

I think Mark has expanded our options to an acceptable level. I'll not 
give the numbers without Mark's approval.  Not sure why some files came 
through and others didn't but it was not for limited band width.


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KR>Re: Dropbox

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 I would hate to impose additional work on anyone let alone Mark or John, but I 
am wondering (out loud) if we had access to a server that had the bandwidth to 
share larger files. Back in the day when we first started with the internet, 
files were smaller, Today, these things are a behemoth in comparison. Just 
thinking out loud.
Luis On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 05:30:13 PM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 
I've tried sharing a number of photos using Dropbox but I suspect (told 
by one netter) that netters that don't have a Dropbox account hesitate 
to download the software / leave tracks (cookies) just to look at a 
photo.  Thanks to Mark for increasing the size of attachments.  I'm 
guessing most netters have a fast enough download to accommodate the change.

Larry Flesner

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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Jeff, you are most likely right regarding where I got the file from. It was 
several years ago that I downloaded it and have modified it every time I 
changed my mind as to how to design and operate the controls and instruments on 
my KR. I am on my third iteration of a total rebuild of my instrument panel. 
Dear lord when does it stop?

I am going to make an assumption and say that we put those files online to 
share them... 
Keep building...

Luis  On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 02:57:03 PM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2/22/2022 2:52 PM, Flesner wrote:
> I now have a digital copy in MS word.  If anyone wants a copy shoot me 
> a post off net at flesner@ frontier.com and request.
>
> I'll try to attach a copy again.
>
> Larry Flesner 

+

I was able to attach a photo but not a word doc.  Go 
figure.

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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Flesner]

On 2/22/2022 2:52 PM, Flesner wrote:
I now have a digital copy in MS word.  If anyone wants a copy shoot me 
a post off net at flesner@ frontier.com and request.


I'll try to attach a copy again.

Larry Flesner 


+

I was able to attach a photo but not a word doc.  Go 
figure.


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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Flesner]

On 2/22/2022 2:02 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:

If you want a copy, just drop me a line OFF the KRnet and I'll gladly forward a 
copy or either mine or Robs.


++

I now have a digital copy in MS word.  If anyone wants a copy shoot me a 
post off net at flesner@ frontier.com and request.


I'll try to attach a copy again.

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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Rob Schmitt via KRnet]

There is a link to download my POH in word format on my KR2S web page. 

http://www.robert7721.com

It is also available on Mark Langford's web page as well.

http://www.krnet.org


Thanks,

Rob Schmitt
KR2S N1852Z
Lee's Summit, MO


-Original Message-
From: Jeff Scott  
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 2:03 PM
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

Rob Schmitt authored a very nice POH for his KR.  I blatantly copied and edited 
it to create the POH for my KR.  I had it posted on my web site for years, but 
removed it at the request of the new owner of my KR as there were some 
inconsistencies between the POH and some of what the Canadian Authorities 
wanted to see in the POH.  Both mine and Robs have been widely shared, which is 
likely where Luis got his copy.  If you want a copy, just drop me a line OFF 
the KRnet and I'll gladly forward a copy or either mine or Robs. (Mine is 
probably a better starting place if you have an O-200, while Rob's is probably 
a better starting place if you have a VW.

-Jeff Scott
Arkansas Ozarks


> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:39 AM
> From: "Luis Claudio via KRnet" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Cc: "Luis Claudio" 
> Subject: KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox
>
>  Larry what I did was posted a POH in Dropbox and if anyone needs one 
> to copy and modify, it is there. It looks like the only way they can 
> access it is to request a PM and I can send them the link. I saw what 
> you had to do to get your checklist to come through but that is a lot 
> of editing to reformulate. I wish there was a better way to share 
> these things. Best wishes
> 
> Luis R  Claudio
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 07:30:12 AM CST, Flesner 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  On 2/21/2022 10:08 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:
> > Ok here is a POH in word format.
> > POH Luis R Claudio.doc
> >
> >
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |  |  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> > |
> > |  |
> > POH Luis R Claudio.doc
> >
> > Shared with Dropbox
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> +++
> 
> Luis,
> 
> Something flaky going on with the net or with my computer.  This is 
> what came through.  I'm not needing  a POH for my use it was one of 
> our net members.
> 
> Larry
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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Jeff Scott]

Rob Schmitt authored a very nice POH for his KR.  I blatantly copied and edited 
it to create the POH for my KR.  I had it posted on my web site for years, but 
removed it at the request of the new owner of my KR as there were some 
inconsistencies between the POH and some of what the Canadian Authorities 
wanted to see in the POH.  Both mine and Robs have been widely shared, which is 
likely where Luis got his copy.  If you want a copy, just drop me a line OFF 
the KRnet and I'll gladly forward a copy or either mine or Robs. (Mine is 
probably a better starting place if you have an O-200, while Rob's is probably 
a better starting place if you have a VW.

-Jeff Scott
Arkansas Ozarks


> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:39 AM
> From: "Luis Claudio via KRnet" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Cc: "Luis Claudio" 
> Subject: KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox
>
>  Larry what I did was posted a POH in Dropbox and if anyone needs one to copy 
> and modify, it is there. It looks like the only way they can access it is to 
> request a PM and I can send them the link. I saw what you had to do to get 
> your checklist to come through but that is a lot of editing to reformulate. I 
> wish there was a better way to share these things. 
> Best wishes
> 
> Luis R  Claudio
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 07:30:12 AM CST, Flesner 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  On 2/21/2022 10:08 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:
> > Ok here is a POH in word format.
> > POH Luis R Claudio.doc
> >
> >
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |  |  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> > |
> > |  |
> > POH Luis R Claudio.doc
> >
> > Shared with Dropbox
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> +++
> 
> Luis,
> 
> Something flaky going on with the net or with my computer.  This is what 
> came through.  I'm not needing  a POH for my use it was one of our net 
> members.
> 
> Larry
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KR>Re: test Willies KR and Model KR

[shafferj455js]

Absolutely Beautiful.



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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Larry what I did was posted a POH in Dropbox and if anyone needs one to copy 
and modify, it is there. It looks like the only way they can access it is to 
request a PM and I can send them the link. I saw what you had to do to get your 
checklist to come through but that is a lot of editing to reformulate. I wish 
there was a better way to share these things. 
Best wishes

Luis R  Claudio
On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 07:30:12 AM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2/21/2022 10:08 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:
> Ok here is a POH in word format.
> POH Luis R Claudio.doc
>
>
> |
> |
> |
> |  |  |
>
>  |
>
>  |
> |
> |  |
> POH Luis R Claudio.doc
>
> Shared with Dropbox
>  |
>
>  |
>
>  |
>
+++

Luis,

Something flaky going on with the net or with my computer.  This is what 
came through.  I'm not needing  a POH for my use it was one of our net 
members.

Larry

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KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox

[Flesner]

On 2/21/2022 10:08 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:

Ok here is a POH in word format.
POH Luis R Claudio.doc


|
|
|
|  |  |

  |

  |
|
|  |
POH Luis R Claudio.doc

Shared with Dropbox
  |

  |

  |


+++

Luis,

Something flaky going on with the net or with my computer.  This is what 
came through.  I'm not needing  a POH for my use it was one of our net 
members.


Larry

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KR>Re: Pilot operating handbook

[Flesner]

On 2/21/2022 6:51 PM, Flesner wrote:


Not sure why "attachment" is getting lost in ether so here it is.

Larry Flesner



*PRE-FLIGHT*


·*Turn”ON” Master Switch / check battery level / fuel gauges*

·*Turn “OFF” Master Switch*

·*Check voltage of backup battery*

·*Visual check fuel level / sump tanks*

·*Check control surfaces for free travel*

·*Visual check tires / propeller for nicks*

·*Check oil level / minimum level 4 quarts*

**

*PRE-START*

·*Close canopy - Fasten seat belts*

·*Flip “Battery” switch to backup battery – check voltage*

·*Turn “ON” “Emergency” fuel pump one at a time – checkfuel pressure*

·*Turn pumps “OFF” / “battery” switch down to “Main”*

·*Mixture “Rich” – turn “ON” Master Switch and one fuel pump*

·*Check for fuel pressure / select fuel tank for takeoff*

·*Clear area*

·*Crack throttle open / Hold brakes*

·*As starter is engaged pump throttle twice*

·*When engine starts, reduce RPM to 1000 rpm or less*

·*Check for oil pressure*

·*Turn “ON” Avionics switch*

·*Transponder – turn “ON” to standby / set to 1200 *

·*Set radio to proper frequency*

·*Turn “position lights” switch to “ON” for ADS-B out*

·*If cold start allow engine to warm for several minutes*

**

**

*PRE-TAKEOFF*

**

·*Hold brakes / RPM 1500-1700 RPM*

·*Check oil pressure*

·*Check mags for less than 100 RM drop*

·*Carb heat on – check for 50+ RPM drop*

·*Engine to idle*

·*Mags “ BOTH ON”*

·*Fuel pumps “BOTH ON”*

·*Speed brake – check operation then switch “UP”*

·*Check – Mixture “RICH” – Carb heat - “OFF”*

·*Radio to correct frequency / Transponder to “ON”*

**

*TAKEOFF*

**

·*Align with Runway – stick back*

·*Apply throttle smoothly – full power*

·*Forward stick to lift tail to level*

·*When aircraft feels light – slight back pressure*

·*At liftoff – nose down to 80 MPH indicated*

·*Establish climb in the 100 MPH range to desired altitude – set trim*

·*At altitude – level off – set trim*

**

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*CRUISE*

**

·*Adjust power to desired RPM*

·*Monitor engine instruments / adjust mixture*

·*Switch fuel tanks and fuel pumps every 15 to 30 minutes*

·*Run full Carb heat any time conditions are susceptible for carburetor ice*

**

*LETDOWN / APPROACH*

**

·*Mixture rich / carb heat – “full on”*

·*Select fullest tank / fuel pumps “both on”*

·*Set RPM as desired – set trim*

·*Enter traffic pattern – maintain IAS fo 120 MPH or less*

*LANDING*

·*Downwind to base turn – reduce power – reduce IAS to 100 MPH*

·*Extend partial speed brake*

·*Base to final turn – reduce IAS speed to 90 mph*

·*Extend speed brake to “full down” – maintain 90 mphIAS*

·*Maintain power for 90 mph IAS and 500 fpm or less decent rate – adjust 
trim*


·*On short final – reduce speed to 80 mph IAS*

·*At point of flare – hold aircraft level with continuous back stick 
travel – allow to settle on main gear*


·*At touchdown – slight forward stick until tail drops*

·*Light to moderate braking if desired*

**

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*ROLLOUT*

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·*Maintain directional control*

·*Speed brake “UP”*

·*Carb heat “OFF”*

·*Breaking as required*

**

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*SHUTDOWN*

**

·*Engine to 1000 RPM*

·*Avionics switch to “OFF”*

·*Mixture to “IDLE / CUTOFF*

·*All switches to “OFF”*

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KR>Re: Pilot operating handbook

[Flesner]

attachment didn't come through.  Try again.

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KR>Re: W&B page in blue Book needed.

[Stef den Boer via KRnet]

Larry 
This is exacly what I told him. 
We will see what he thiks about it.

Stef
 
> Op 14-02-2022 00:19 schreef Flesner :
> 
>  
> On 2/13/2022 3:50 PM, Stef den Boer via KRnet wrote:
> > Everybody thanks for the documents. I have now the pages I need. I think he 
> > will now exept my calculations.
> >
> > Stef
> 
> +++
> 
> Stef,
> 
> Good luck.  Not sure what you inspector is looking for but the blank 
> document will tell him absolutely nothing about your airplane.  Max 
> gross weight (structure designed G load) and C.G. envelope are not on 
> the form and  he learns nothing.  If done properly he should accept your 
> numbers if you calculate them on a plain sheet of paper.  All he should 
> need is the C.G. range of the aircraft expressed in percent of mean cord 
> or distance from a given datum.  This info is not on the form if that's 
> what he is looking for.  That's in the front of the plans book and to be 
> meaningful, that C.G. range is for the original RAF48 airfoil. I'm not 
> aware that the range for the new airfoil was ever determined or 
> published.  (don't even hint that to the inspector) .  The numbers for 
> the original airfoil were used and proven to be acceptable with flight 
> testing.  This is no different than arguing with your mother-in-law.  
> Tell her what she wants to hear and separate on good terms.
> 
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KR>Re: W&B page in blue Book needed.

[Flesner]

On 2/13/2022 3:50 PM, Stef den Boer via KRnet wrote:

Everybody thanks for the documents. I have now the pages I need. I think he 
will now exept my calculations.

Stef


+++

Stef,

Good luck.  Not sure what you inspector is looking for but the blank 
document will tell him absolutely nothing about your airplane.  Max 
gross weight (structure designed G load) and C.G. envelope are not on 
the form and  he learns nothing.  If done properly he should accept your 
numbers if you calculate them on a plain sheet of paper.  All he should 
need is the C.G. range of the aircraft expressed in percent of mean cord 
or distance from a given datum.  This info is not on the form if that's 
what he is looking for.  That's in the front of the plans book and to be 
meaningful, that C.G. range is for the original RAF48 airfoil. I'm not 
aware that the range for the new airfoil was ever determined or 
published.  (don't even hint that to the inspector) .  The numbers for 
the original airfoil were used and proven to be acceptable with flight 
testing.  This is no different than arguing with your mother-in-law.  
Tell her what she wants to hear and separate on good terms.


Larry Flesner

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KR>Re: W&B page in blue Book needed.

[Stef den Boer via KRnet]

Everybody thanks for the documents. I have now the pages I need. I think he 
will now exept my calculations.

For our builders who are still in progress….keep up the spirit. It is so nice 
to go with this bird.


Stef




> Op 13-02-2022 21:19 schreef Flesner :
> 
>  
> On 2/13/2022 2:13 PM, Phillip Matheson wrote:
> > Larry
> > Could I have her autograph please
> > Phil.
> >
> 
> 
> She is now in Heaven's hall of fame but I may have the rubber stamp 
> somewhere.
> 
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KR>Re: W&B page in blue Book needed.

[Flesner]

On 2/13/2022 2:13 PM, Phillip Matheson wrote:

Larry
Could I have her autograph please
Phil.




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KR>Re: W&B page in blue Book needed.

[Phillip Matheson]

Larry
Could I have her autograph please
Phil. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Feb 2022, at 06:11, Flesner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yea, and my grandmother was a hall of fame pitcher for the New York Yankees 
> too.
> 
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KR>Re: W&B page in blue Book needed.

[Chris Gardiner]

Hi Steve
Is it the weight and balance page from the plans your are looking for?
I will send these 2 pages to you directly and a copy of my Excel spreadsheet 
for calculating the actual W&B of your specific plane
Chris Gardiner
C GKRZ

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> On Feb 13, 2022, at 11:31, Stef den Boer via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi KR friends,
> 
> My dutch FAA inspector ask me for the original W&B papers of the Blue-KR 
> book.  Sounds very stupid but I can't find it. Is it possible some of you can 
> make some pic of these pages.
> 
> In my load sheet I uses the 8 and 16 inches minos the aft 2 inch. The plane 
> flyes great with this numbers, but he want to see the pages from the 
> book...
> 
> Already have 75 hours on our KR2-S the PH-TDB. I am still very happy with my 
> baby. But sometimes it is easier to build a plane instead of the paper works!
> 
> Stef
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

[Flesner]

On 2/11/2022 4:55 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:

  However, the calibration was not completed correctly, so they only display 
just over 3/4 when they tanks are full.


+

I calibrated the fuel senders in an RV10 for a friend of mine. It used 
float type senders in the wing to a Skyview 10" flat screen.  30 gallon 
tanks were calibrated in 2 gallon increments. A 5 volt signal changed 
only a few tenths of a volt as each 2 gallon was added. Because the 
wings had a slight dihedral the senders topped out at 21 gallon hitting 
the top surface of the wing at the root.  In this system the Skyview 
indicates accurate gallons from 21 down to empty and above 21 gallon it 
indicates 21+ gallons. Each system has it's own limitations.     I 
believe that the only "requirement" for a fuel gauge is to report 
correctly at "empty".


The best system is to know what you're starting with and use an accurate 
fuel flow device or record time, mentally or on paper, using engine burn 
rate.  In the Tripacer years ago I could start with full tanks, fly of 2 
or 3 hours, and when refueling I could estimate to within a few tenths 
of a gallon what was left in the tank.


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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

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 In 455 JS, I use a sight gauge, in the center of my instrument panel,
for my forward deck fuel tank. I also use a Teflon lined ,stainless
steel, braided line direct to a mechanical oil pressure gauge.
 Neither of these require battery power. As Larry Flesner says, " Your
results may vary ".

 
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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

[Jeff Scott]

Some of this depends on what you are going to use to display your fuel 
quantity.  For example, a simple gauge and a capacitance type sending unit can 
be calibrated at the transducer to read full and empty correctly, but are 
non-linear in between.  I replaced several Westach probes in my KR as the 
ground side of the capacitance probe kept losing contact with ground reference. 
 They were just poorly made.  I finally fixed the issue by pulling the probe 
and wrapping the ground wire and the ground side of the probe with .020 safety 
wire and zipping it down tight.

The float type gauges seem to be pretty durable, but I think everyone at some 
point in time has had a car with a failed gauge, so they do fail.  
Additionally, sometimes it takes a reiterative process of bending the float arm 
to get them to read full and empty correctly, and like the capacitance gauges, 
they are non-linear when they just measure the height of the fuel in the tanks.

However,if you are using an electronic instrument display such as the 
integrated Garmin, Dynon, JPI, EI, or other displays, you can typically add 
fuel to each tank one gallon at a time and tell the display after each gallon 
is added until it's full.  Then the display takes the non-linear transducer 
readings from your 1 gallon increments and creates a linear display of fuel 
quantity, either in gallons remaining or E-1/2-1/2-3/4-F.  This can be done 
with the output from either capacitive or float type transducers.

It's always important to have your tanks display empty correctly and you can 
leave the full mark subject to interpretation.  My RV has float type 
transducers with electronic averaging, so they don't constantly bounce up and 
down and are stable in flight.  However, the calibration was not completed 
correctly, so they only display just over 3/4 when they tanks are full.  But 
they do indicate empty correctly, and that is what is important to me.  If I 
were to integrate an electronic display in the future, I could leave those same 
transducers in the tanks and just calibrate the display as I fill the tanks in 
1 or 2 gallon increments, and would end up with an accurate, linear display of 
remaining fuel with full and empty in the correct places.

-Jeff Scott
Arkansas Ozarks

> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:43 PM
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> To: krnet@list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?
>
> Brad at Great Western Airsports wrote:
>
> > VDO has never let me down in various aircraft, various setups, lots of 
> > hours.
>
> Yep, that's exactly what I used on N56ML.  Having been a VW fanatic
> since before I could drive, I'm a big fan of Bosch, VDO, Hella, etc, so
> I installed a VDO 226-001 sending unit in my right tank.  It failed with
> just a few hundred hours of flying.
>
> I've had much worse problems with VDO oil pressure senders, both on 56ML
> and 971JF.  They get a bit whacko and start fluctuating wildly, almost
> always reading lower than actual oil pressure, so I get nervous and
> install a new one, which works for another hundred or two hours until it
> happens again.  I have a box with about seven dead pressure sensors in
> it, and one day tested them with regulated air pressure and they were
> all way off or dead entirely.  And no, they're not mounted directly to
> the engine, I've always fastened them to non-vibrating surfaces like oil
> filter adapter, which is bolted to the firewall.
>
> No more input from anybody else?  Nobody has a fuel level sensor with
> 500 hours on it that you'd swear by?
>
> If anybody's interested, see http://www.n56ml.com/wingtank.html for more
> on how I did the tanks in N56ML.  I still think that was a pretty good
> way to do it, other than not making the fuel sensor easily replaceable.
>I could have done that by providing a mounting hole and an access
> panel in the wing, but eventually I just used a fuel totalizer, which I
> reset after filling up.  I used a 6 minute timer to transfer fuel from
> the left tank to the right tank, which was half the tank.  On 891JF I
> use a "calibrated" paint stick to check before each flight, but if I'm
> going anywhere other than local, I just fill it up before I leave, and
> fill it up again on the way back, and call it good enough.  I plan for 4
> gph (but usually throttled back and doing better than that) with a 14
> gallon tank.
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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

[Great Western Airsports]

Ha, ha, I'm not going to teach you to suck eggs when it comes to oil pressure 
and yes, they fail every couple of hundred hours - when they do & so long as 
oil temperature isn't rising, I complete the flight whether instructing or not. 
Upon landing it gets replaced due to digence & potential paranoia, usually 
USD50 or less from a non Rotax supplier, maybe abit more from 'Spruce & Spec'.

I've had good reliability from their temp senders and their fuel senders which 
is what you originally asked about, once setup, just forget in my 
experience(bad reading are usually a forgotten & corroded grounding). As far as 
I recall, we generally use VDO Vision instruments in aircraft, ' Spruce & Spec' 
will give you part numbers, eBay does the rest without warranty.

B

From: Mark Langford 
Sent: 11 February 2022 18:43:43
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

Brad at Great Western Airsports wrote:

> VDO has never let me down in various aircraft, various setups, lots of hours.

Yep, that's exactly what I used on N56ML.  Having been a VW fanatic
since before I could drive, I'm a big fan of Bosch, VDO, Hella, etc, so
I installed a VDO 226-001 sending unit in my right tank.  It failed with
just a few hundred hours of flying.

I've had much worse problems with VDO oil pressure senders, both on 56ML
and 971JF.  They get a bit whacko and start fluctuating wildly, almost
always reading lower than actual oil pressure, so I get nervous and
install a new one, which works for another hundred or two hours until it
happens again.  I have a box with about seven dead pressure sensors in
it, and one day tested them with regulated air pressure and they were
all way off or dead entirely.  And no, they're not mounted directly to
the engine, I've always fastened them to non-vibrating surfaces like oil
filter adapter, which is bolted to the firewall.

No more input from anybody else?  Nobody has a fuel level sensor with
500 hours on it that you'd swear by?

If anybody's interested, see http://www.n56ml.com/wingtank.html for more
on how I did the tanks in N56ML.  I still think that was a pretty good
way to do it, other than not making the fuel sensor easily replaceable.
   I could have done that by providing a mounting hole and an access
panel in the wing, but eventually I just used a fuel totalizer, which I
reset after filling up.  I used a 6 minute timer to transfer fuel from
the left tank to the right tank, which was half the tank.  On 891JF I
use a "calibrated" paint stick to check before each flight, but if I'm
going anywhere other than local, I just fill it up before I leave, and
fill it up again on the way back, and call it good enough.  I plan for 4
gph (but usually throttled back and doing better than that) with a 14
gallon tank.
--
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m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com
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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

[Mark Langford]

Brad at Great Western Airsports wrote:


VDO has never let me down in various aircraft, various setups, lots of hours.


Yep, that's exactly what I used on N56ML.  Having been a VW fanatic 
since before I could drive, I'm a big fan of Bosch, VDO, Hella, etc, so 
I installed a VDO 226-001 sending unit in my right tank.  It failed with 
just a few hundred hours of flying.


I've had much worse problems with VDO oil pressure senders, both on 56ML 
and 971JF.  They get a bit whacko and start fluctuating wildly, almost 
always reading lower than actual oil pressure, so I get nervous and 
install a new one, which works for another hundred or two hours until it 
happens again.  I have a box with about seven dead pressure sensors in 
it, and one day tested them with regulated air pressure and they were 
all way off or dead entirely.  And no, they're not mounted directly to 
the engine, I've always fastened them to non-vibrating surfaces like oil 
filter adapter, which is bolted to the firewall.


No more input from anybody else?  Nobody has a fuel level sensor with 
500 hours on it that you'd swear by?


If anybody's interested, see http://www.n56ml.com/wingtank.html for more 
on how I did the tanks in N56ML.  I still think that was a pretty good 
way to do it, other than not making the fuel sensor easily replaceable. 
  I could have done that by providing a mounting hole and an access 
panel in the wing, but eventually I just used a fuel totalizer, which I 
reset after filling up.  I used a 6 minute timer to transfer fuel from 
the left tank to the right tank, which was half the tank.  On 891JF I 
use a "calibrated" paint stick to check before each flight, but if I'm 
going anywhere other than local, I just fill it up before I leave, and 
fill it up again on the way back, and call it good enough.  I plan for 4 
gph (but usually throttled back and doing better than that) with a 14 
gallon tank.

--
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m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com
Huntsville, AL

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KR>Re: Oil breather

[John Bouyea]

I think the separator is better than an oily bottom skin.
Mine is very effective at removing mist from the breather line that collects
in a bottle. I discard the fluid that appears as it often has moisture
trapped. 
John Bouyea
N133RM KR-2S - imported, fixed & flying
www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/N133RM 
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-Original Message-
My KR1 has an 1835 originally from Great Plains.  Has a breather separator
on the firewall, and I'm considering leaving it out.  Comments?
Kevin Stolhammer

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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

[Great Western Airsports]

VDO has never let me down in various aircraft, various setups, lots of hours.

Brad

From: Mark Langford 
Sent: 10 February 2022 13:52:20
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>fuel senders and gauges?

Has anybody had good luck with fuel senders and gauges?  If so, what
brand, part number, etc?  I've been through several iterations, and
almost all failed way earlier when they should have.  Even the "low
fuel" senders which simply tell if there's fuel or not don't seem to
last very long.  If I've learned nothing else from my plane building
experience, it's don't assume a sender will last forever and build it
into the tank.make it replaceable!

Thanks,
--
Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com
Huntsville, AL

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KR>Re: fuel senders and gauges?

[Flesner]

On 2/10/2022 7:52 AM, Mark Langford wrote:

Has anybody had good luck with fuel senders and gauges?


++

My "capacitance" senders and gauges have been reliable for 15 years 
except for the sender to tank gasket.  I don't recall the manufacturer 
but guessing Westach.  The tank shape and size will determine if they 
are appropriate or not.  My probes are 7 feet long and extend from the 
wing attach point to the outboard end of the wing.  My tanks are not 
linear so the gauges are not linear but close enough for reference.  I 
guess no moving parts other than the needles on the gauge helps with 
reliability.


Larry Flesner


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KR>Re: Fwd: First flight of my KR2S 19-1713

[Flesner]

http://www.n56ml.com/australia/ for a bunch of airplane and other 
photos, my experience in Australia, and a bunch of wonderful aviators. 
They really showed me how a small airport can thriveand introduced 
me to a whole different world


Mark Langford 


+++

Thanks for sharing.  The photos of the ocean reminded me of our family 
trip to Florida from the midwest.  My wife had never seen a large body 
or water, the biggest being the Mississippi river.  On a bus tour at 
Cape Canaveral  the bus crossed over the levee and my wife saw the ocean 
for the first time.  Her response was "IT'S BLUE" which caused all 50 or 
so people on the bus to turn and look our direction.  I'm sure they must 
have been thinking "where has this women been hiding".  Ah.the 
memories.


Larry Flesner


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KR>Re: Fwd: First flight of my KR2S 19-1713

[Mark Langford]

I met Allen Buzza at Serpentine Airport back in 2007, on a business trip 
to Perth.  I was there working on a lightweight "heavy fuel" 2-stroke 
engine for a UAV contract.  I saw Allen's  gorgeous KR2, which he had to 
rebuild after the side hinged canopy opened on takeoff, killing the lift 
on the right wing and resulting in a stall.  He'd rebuilt with it hinged 
at the front to prevent that from happening again, although we know now 
that even forward hinged canopies can be a problem if not latched. 
While I was there, Allen showed me his fuselage sides that he'd just 
finished up for his new KR2S.  I was "taken under the wing" of a pilot 
named Graham, who flew me around to various airports, introduced me to a 
LOT of homebuilders and their projects, and generally showed me a 
fantastic time on the several weekends that I was there.  There are 
photos of Allen's very nice KR2, the KR2S he was building, and lots of 
other projects and airplanes that I'd never seen before, as well as some 
Australian scenery.  See
http://www.n56ml.com/australia/ for a bunch of airplane and other 
photos, my experience in Australia, and a bunch of wonderful aviators. 
They really showed me how a small airport can thriveand introduced 
me to a whole different world


Mark Langford
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http://www.n56ml.com
Huntsville, AL

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KR>Re: Fwd: First flight of my KR2S 19-1713

[G R Pickett]

Way to keep at it, Allen.  Congratulations

-Original Message-
From: Phillip Matheson  
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:11 PM
To: KRnet 
Subject: KR>Fwd: First flight of my KR2S 19-1713

I got this today From Allen Buzzer WA Australia Phil Matheson 

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> 
> Subject: First flight of my KR2S 19-1713
> 
> 
> At about 7:45 am yesterday morning 8th Feb, under calm conditions, my KR2S 
> 19-1713 took to the sky on its first flight with very experienced Sakkie Van 
> Heerden at the controls. After a high speed taxi run, he lined up on rwy 23 
> and after a very short takeoff run lifted off in a positive climb to quickly 
> disappear from view. After about 40 minutes 19-1713 appeared overhead and 
> turned down wind for a text book landing on rwy 23.
>  
> After a build time of some 11 plus years of building it was a with some 
> relief that it flew extremely well. 
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Allen

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KR>Re: Fwd: KR2Ss 0200 first start nsw Australia

[Tony King]

Congrats Phil.  Well done.

Cheers,

Tony

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 at 19:37, Phillip Matheson 
wrote:

>
> >
> > https://youtu.be/FQoGZoZuELg
> >
> > Finally got my 0200 started today
> > Phil matheson
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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KR>Re: 50th anniversary

[Craig Williams]

I plan on being there even if I had to trailer it in.

Craig


> On 02/04/2022 5:24 PM Flesner  wrote:
> 
>  
> Below is the reply from Hal Bryan, editor of Sport Aviation.  In it he 
> ask a question.  What is our (group) response? Anyone planning to be 
> there with a KR?  Reading between the lines, my take is we'll get a 
> story if we show up with enough KR's to make a story / event.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> +
> 
> Hi Larry –
> 
> Thanks for reaching out. Do you know if we can expect to see a gathering 
> of KRs at Oshkosh this year? It would be an interesting story to tell. 
> Please keep me posted if you’re aware of any plans taking shape.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Hal
> 
>   
> 
> **
> 
>   
> 
> *Hal Bryan*
> 
> *Managing Editor*
> 
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> 
> P: 920-426-6866
> 
> W:www.EAA.org 
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KR>Re: >50th anniversary

[Roger]

I am planning to be at OSH this year. Should be a good time. 
Roger Baalman
Owasso OK

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Rob Schmitt via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I'll be at Oshkosh again as usual with N1852Z. I plan to volunteer again 
> this year at Home Built registration.
> 
> Rob Schmitt
> Lee's Summit, MO
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Flesner  
> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 4:41 PM
> To: krnet@list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR>>50th anniversary
> 
> 
> Below is my response to Hal Bryan, editor of Sport Aviation.  I tried to 
> "nudge" him a bit with the hint of competition and referenced the video in 
> case he overlooked it or hadn't taken time to watch it.  We'll see what 
> develops.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 

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KR>Re: Fwd: KR2Ss 0200 first start nsw Australia

[Flesner]

Finally got my 0200 started today

Phil matheson



Congratulations...

One step closer to flying.  Do you have a picture of your exhaust.  Hard 
to tell from the video.  Looks like a cross-over but I've never seen one 
on a continental.


Larry Flesner

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KR>Re: >50th anniversary

[Rob Schmitt via KRnet]

I'll be at Oshkosh again as usual with N1852Z. I plan to volunteer again this 
year at Home Built registration.

Rob Schmitt
Lee's Summit, MO



-Original Message-
From: Flesner  
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 4:41 PM
To: krnet@list.krnet.org
Subject: KR>>50th anniversary


Below is my response to Hal Bryan, editor of Sport Aviation.  I tried to 
"nudge" him a bit with the hint of competition and referenced the video in case 
he overlooked it or hadn't taken time to watch it.  We'll see what develops.

Larry Flesner


** 


*Hal,*

*Thanks for the reply.  I'll keep you posted as I hear any plans developing.  I 
sent a post to the KR community and hope to get some feedback.  The 50th 
anniversary video referenced in my earlier post was the result of efforts made 
by the group.  It appears we may get a cover story in Kit Planes magazine and 
any exposure of the event by the EAA will certainly add to the celebration.
*

*Respectfully,
*

*Larry Flesner*

*OBO the KR community*

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KR>Re: KR 2 plans

[Chad Robertson]

Yes I would like to get some 

Chadrobertson2951@ Gmail.   N6GM

> On Feb 5, 2022, at 6:00 AM, dee david  wrote:
> 
> do you still need the landing gear plans
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:16 PM Chad Robertson 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would like interested in the landing gear
>> 
>> Chadrobertson2951@ Gmail.   N6GM
>> 
>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:38 PM, G R Pickett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, the KR2 plans went with the project I sold last month.  I only
>> have plans for the landing gear.  They're more like drawings, with
>> dimensions and such.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: michael inskeep 
>>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:15 PM
>>> To: KRnet 
>>> Subject: KR>Re: KR 2 plans
>>> 
>>> Did you find any plans. Sorry we are in the process of selling the house
>> and it's been a mad house . When I finally got back to your email I somehow
>> lost it or something happened. If you are still interested that's good, if
>> not I'm sorry things got screwed up, my apologies, Reply if you want them ,
>> I think I Cando paypal I'll  just need to set an
>>> account up   thx mike
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 3:29 PM  wrote:
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>>>> Dear Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> What do the plans cost?
>>>> 
>>>> I am waiting for your response
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings Arie
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KR>Re: KR 2 plans

[Chad Robertson]

Yeah I would like to get some if possible 

Chadrobertson2951@ Gmail.   N6GM

> On Feb 5, 2022, at 6:00 AM, dee david  wrote:
> 
> do you still need the landing gear plans
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:16 PM Chad Robertson 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would like interested in the landing gear
>> 
>> Chadrobertson2951@ Gmail.   N6GM
>> 
>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:38 PM, G R Pickett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, the KR2 plans went with the project I sold last month.  I only
>> have plans for the landing gear.  They're more like drawings, with
>> dimensions and such.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: michael inskeep 
>>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:15 PM
>>> To: KRnet 
>>> Subject: KR>Re: KR 2 plans
>>> 
>>> Did you find any plans. Sorry we are in the process of selling the house
>> and it's been a mad house . When I finally got back to your email I somehow
>> lost it or something happened. If you are still interested that's good, if
>> not I'm sorry things got screwed up, my apologies, Reply if you want them ,
>> I think I Cando paypal I'll  just need to set an
>>> account up   thx mike
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 3:29 PM  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> What do the plans cost?
>>>> 
>>>> I am waiting for your response
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings Arie
>>>> 
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KR>Re: KR 2 plans

[dee david]

do you still need the landing gear plans

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:16 PM Chad Robertson 
wrote:

> I would like interested in the landing gear
>
> Chadrobertson2951@ Gmail.   N6GM
>
> > On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:38 PM, G R Pickett  wrote:
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> > Sorry, the KR2 plans went with the project I sold last month.  I only
> have plans for the landing gear.  They're more like drawings, with
> dimensions and such.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: michael inskeep 
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:15 PM
> > To: KRnet 
> > Subject: KR>Re: KR 2 plans
> >
> > Did you find any plans. Sorry we are in the process of selling the house
> and it's been a mad house . When I finally got back to your email I somehow
> lost it or something happened. If you are still interested that's good, if
> not I'm sorry things got screwed up, my apologies, Reply if you want them ,
> I think I Cando paypal I'll  just need to set an
> > account up   thx mike
> >
> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 3:29 PM  wrote:
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KR>Re: 50th anniversary

[shafferj455js]

Oh, and with 455JS
 
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KR>Re: 50th anniversary

[shafferj455js]

Larry, foregoing any unforseen things, I expect to make it to OSH this
year, and the KR Gathering.

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KR>Re: surprise! surprise!!!

[Flesner]

On 2/4/2022 4:56 PM, Flesner wrote:


I received my digital copy of Sport Aviation this afternoon and the 
first thing I check is the "What our members are building / restoring" 
.  Look who made the paper.


Larry Flesner
 



For "non-EAA members among us you might try SportAviation - Feb2022 
 
.  I think this may get you in without being a member and logging in.  
thanks to my daughter.  On this link it is page 110.


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KR>Re: 50th anniversary

[Mark Langford]

Larry Flesner wrote:

> Below is the reply from Hal Bryan, editor of Sport Aviation.  In it he
> ask a question.  What is our (group) response? Anyone planning to be
> there with a KR?

We you know us regular five or six KR pilots will fly in to OSH.  The 
big question is how many other folks will do their best to be fly their 
KR this year?  EAA has been kind enough to let us park right in front of 
Homebuilder Headquarters for at least the last 15 years or so. You don't 
have to reply to the list, just commit yourself to flying your KR there. 
 We usually fly in on Saturday or Sunday, in plenty of time for the KR 
Forum, which will likely be Monday July 25th at 11:30.  We'll see y'all 
there


Mark Langford
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KR>Re: >50th anniversary

[Mark Jones]

I am busy getting “WunderBird” finished. If there is any way my luck holds out, 
there is a slim chance of making it. It will be raw as in no interior cosmetics 
done nor a great paint job. However, that would give folks the chance to see a 
KR before it is completed. 

Look out 2022 KR Gathering in Mt Vernon !!!

Mark Jones
Oldsmar, Fl

N771MJ  “WunderBird”
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> On Feb 4, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Flesner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Below is my response to Hal Bryan, editor of Sport Aviation.  I tried to 
> "nudge" him a bit with the hint of competition and referenced the video in 
> case he overlooked it or hadn't taken time to watch it.  We'll see what 
> develops.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
> **
>  
> 
> *Hal,*
> 
> *Thanks for the reply.  I'll keep you posted as I hear any plans developing.  
> I sent a post to the KR community and hope to get some feedback.  The 50th 
> anniversary video referenced in my earlier post was the result of efforts 
> made by the group.  It appears we may get a cover story in Kit Planes 
> magazine and any exposure of the event by the EAA will certainly add to the 
> celebration.
> *
> 
> *Respectfully,
> *
> 
> *Larry Flesner*
> 
> *OBO the KR community*
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KR>Re: 50th anniversary

[John Bouyea]

It might not be polished perfectly but I'm making every effort to be there with 
N133RM too.
John Bouyea
N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying
www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/N133RM 
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

From: Chris Pryce [mailto:vr6chri...@gmail.com] 
Ill be there

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 14:23 Flesner  wrote:
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KR>Re: 50th anniversary

[Chris Pryce]

Ill be there

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 14:23 Flesner  wrote:

>
> Below is the reply from Hal Bryan, editor of Sport Aviation.  In it he
> ask a question.  What is our (group) response? Anyone planning to be
> there with a KR?  Reading between the lines, my take is we'll get a
> story if we show up with enough KR's to make a story / event.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
> +
>
> Hi Larry –
>
> Thanks for reaching out. Do you know if we can expect to see a gathering
> of KRs at Oshkosh this year? It would be an interesting story to tell.
> Please keep me posted if you’re aware of any plans taking shape.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
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KR>Re: Free electrical drawing program -test

[John Gotschall]

So there are no less than "a lot" of electrical, architectural, and 2d and
3d drawing programs.

That's great.

Most of my hobbies do not include "valuable trade secrets", but a few do.

For those who might have saleable tech: those folk ought not, ever, store
their development information on any computer with an internet connection.
This requires "standalone software" run on local cpu only.

And for sure any program that "stores data securely and remotely" ("on our
secure servers"), as "remotely" is synonymous with "public domain".

Don't share your saleable data.

On the other hand I am happy to store my data that I wish public on those
platforms.

jg

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KR>Re: Free electrical drawing program -test

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 I save them as PDF and that way you can size them any way you want 
Luis 
On Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 06:03:33 PM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 
I've tried to include things like the electrical schematics in posts and 
they don't come through due to their size.  I gave the Dropbox address 
but not everyone will use Dropbox because of "cookies" .  Personally I 
like cookies, chocolate chip, my favorite.  Anyway, I've tried 
downsizing to see if it goes through.  Current size is 236 KB's.

I'm using the schematic of my alternator output select switch as a 
test.  You can see why learning and using the software Luis suggested 
might be a bit time consuming.  I may play with it a bit for fun.

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KR>Re: Fwd: Free electrical drawing program

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Here is what my electronic switch drawing looks like. It's just an example, 
but as you said... it takes time to learn the program. 

Luis 
On Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 10:35:48 AM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2/2/2022 10:30 AM, Flesner wrote:
> These are only the alternator output select to one or both batteries 
> and the speed brake switch.  I'll probably enjoy the snow-in in my 
> recliner watching YouTube. Thanks for posting it anyway.,
>
> Larry Flesner

++

Those didn't come through with the post.  They can be seen at:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qdzlqjpwpe0fmnt/schematic%20001.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4e5wt0qaukev5y/speed%20brake%20switch%20001.jpg?dl=0

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KR>Re: Fwd: Free electrical drawing program

[Flesner]

On 2/2/2022 10:47 AM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:

  I am halfway through my electronic ignition diagrams. It's easier than hand 
drawing them cause I have to memorialize the circuits so the next time I have 
to troubleshoot I won't be sitting around scratching my head cause I know I 
will forget as soon as the last tie wrap is tied.

Luis




I wired / drew the circuits in one step so I didn't have to remember 
anything.  The simple circuits I wired out of my head and then inserted 
the info as I went. i.e, circuit breaker #, TB pin #, etc..  The more 
complicated circuits like the speed brake I made a rough drawing, did 
the wiring and inserted the info as I went.  Whatever works.


You're right.  If I wired something and then walked to the workbench and 
back I had already forgotten terminal board pin #, ck breaker #, etc.


Larry


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KR>Re: Fwd: Free electrical drawing program

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 I am halfway through my electronic ignition diagrams. It's easier than hand 
drawing them cause I have to memorialize the circuits so the next time I have 
to troubleshoot I won't be sitting around scratching my head cause I know I 
will forget as soon as the last tie wrap is tied.

Luis 
On Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 10:30:16 AM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 
Luis,

I went to the web site and started to learn the software.  After several 
minutes and several symbols inserted in to drawing I realized that I'll 
be 77 years old in two  weeks and don't have the time to learn the 
software and re-do all the circuits in my KR like the ones here.  These 
are only the alternator output select to one or both batteries and the 
speed brake switch.  I'll probably enjoy the snow-in in my recliner 
watching YouTube. Thanks for posting it anyway.,

Larry Flesner






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KR>Re: Fwd: Free electrical drawing program

[Flesner]

On 2/2/2022 10:30 AM, Flesner wrote:
These are only the alternator output select to one or both batteries 
and the speed brake switch.  I'll probably enjoy the snow-in in my 
recliner watching YouTube. Thanks for posting it anyway.,


Larry Flesner


++

Those didn't come through with the post.  They can be seen at:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qdzlqjpwpe0fmnt/schematic%20001.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4e5wt0qaukev5y/speed%20brake%20switch%20001.jpg?dl=0

Larry Flesner

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KR>Re: Free electrical drawing program

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Just consider me as a resource if you get stuck cause I have been using it for 
years.

Luis 
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 08:49:46 PM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2/1/2022 8:05 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:
>  Let me try this again
> https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/design-tools/schemeit
>
>
++

Thanks, Luis.  I hand drew my 15 or so pages of  circuits when 
building.  I've always wanted to  give them a professional look. Maybe 
this is it.  I may get snowed in for a day or two.  I'll check it out.

Larry Flesner

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KR>Re: Free electrical drawing program

[Flesner]

On 2/1/2022 8:05 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote:

  Let me try this again
https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/design-tools/schemeit



++

Thanks, Luis.  I hand drew my 15 or so pages of  circuits when 
building.  I've always wanted to  give them a professional look. Maybe 
this is it.  I may get snowed in for a day or two.  I'll check it out.


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KR>Re: Free electrical drawing program

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Let me try this again
https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/design-tools/schemeit



On Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 08:02:24 PM CST, Luis Claudio via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 I use this free drawing program to make all of my electrical drawings. It will 
save your drawings, print them out, and you can have unlimited updates as you 
troubleshoot and update your designs. I have used this program for years and 
its always been free. I hope you can take advantage of it for your drawings.


Luis R Claudio,  KR2S  N8981S   Dallas, Texas
Free Online Schematic and Diagramming Tool - Scheme-It | DigiKey Electronics


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KR>Re: KR 2 plans

[Chad Robertson]

I would like interested in the landing gear 

Chadrobertson2951@ Gmail.   N6GM

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:38 PM, G R Pickett  wrote:
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> Sorry, the KR2 plans went with the project I sold last month.  I only have 
> plans for the landing gear.  They're more like drawings, with dimensions and 
> such.
> 
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KR>Re: KR 2 plans

[G R Pickett]

Sorry, the KR2 plans went with the project I sold last month.  I only have 
plans for the landing gear.  They're more like drawings, with dimensions and 
such.

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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:15 PM
To: KRnet 
Subject: KR>Re: KR 2 plans

Did you find any plans. Sorry we are in the process of selling the house and 
it's been a mad house . When I finally got back to your email I somehow lost it 
or something happened. If you are still interested that's good, if not I'm 
sorry things got screwed up, my apologies, Reply if you want them , I think I 
Cando paypal I'll  just need to set an
account up   thx mike

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KR>Re: KR 2 plans

[michael inskeep]

Did you find any plans. Sorry we are in the process of selling the house
and it's been a mad house . When I finally got back to your email I somehow
lost it or something happened. If you are still interested that's good, if
not I'm sorry things got screwed up, my apologies,
Reply if you want them , I think I Cando paypal I'll  just need to set an
account up   thx mike

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KR>Re: RAAus - CO Gas Alarm - Accessories

[Kayak]

Yup Larry, when u mentioned residential detector, I vaguely recalled some
issue with them, and that was it but I just didnt connect the dots until
you posted this discovery.  In my house I use the kind with a digital
readout which I believe are instant as far as the readout even if they dont
alert until a while later...

But for flying would use the one linked...



On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 10:41 PM Flesner  wrote:

> On 1/30/2022 8:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Aircraft-Monoxide-Detector-FORENSICS-low-level/dp/B076S6KBP2
>
> +++
>
> I found this to be the most interesting note in the specifications:
>
> 🔔 FAST ALARMS: Alarms at >9ppm @ 60 secs, compared to home CO detectors
> that only alarm >70ppm @ 60-240 minutes. Bright RED LED and buzzer alarms.
>
> Glad I didn't pick up that unit at Home Depot for $19.99 the other day.
>
> Larry Flesner
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KR>Re: RAAus - CO Gas Alarm - Accessories

[Flesner]

On 1/30/2022 8:54 PM, Kayak wrote:

Very cool, here it is on amazon here in the states and it seems to have
high reviews...

https://www.amazon.com/Aircraft-Monoxide-Detector-FORENSICS-low-level/dp/B076S6KBP2


+++

I found this to be the most interesting note in the specifications:

🔔 FAST ALARMS: Alarms at >9ppm @ 60 secs, compared to home CO detectors 
that only alarm >70ppm @ 60-240 minutes. Bright RED LED and buzzer alarms.


Glad I didn't pick up that unit at Home Depot for $19.99 the other day.

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KR>Re: RAAus - CO Gas Alarm - Accessories

[Kayak]

Very cool, here it is on amazon here in the states and it seems to have
high reviews...

https://www.amazon.com/Aircraft-Monoxide-Detector-FORENSICS-low-level/dp/B076S6KBP2

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 5:20 AM Phillip Matheson <
phillipmathe...@bigpond.com> wrote:

> This is the co gas alarm that is very popular in Australia.
>
>
> https://shop.raa.asn.au/accessories/co-gas-alarm
>
>
>

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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Larry you did not include a photo
On Thursday, January 27, 2022, 03:28:08 PM CST, Flesner 
 wrote:  
 
 
Luis,

If you're correcting things, correct the date of the Gathering and 
someone pointed out that the word "stretched" at the beginning is 
misspelled.  It's missing a T or something.

Again, GREAT JOB !!!

Larry

If it's not too much work, swap the photo of mine on the "engines" page 
with this one.

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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Flesner]

Luis,

If you're correcting things, correct the date of the Gathering and 
someone pointed out that the word "stretched" at the beginning is 
misspelled.  It's missing a T or something.


Again, GREAT JOB !!!

Larry

If it's not too much work, swap the photo of mine on the "engines" page 
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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 In the new revision of the videos, I have corrected several things regarding 
builders that have sent in corrections and the dates for the gathering. I will 
post the corrected video this weekend. Still waiting on some last-minute 
corrections.

Luis 
On Thursday, January 27, 2022, 10:48:46 AM CST, Stef den Boer via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 
The movie it realy great. Nice work to all of you who have sent his pics. One 
big family.

Stef



> Op 26-01-2022 02:34 schreef Flesner :
> 
>  
> One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really supposed 
> to run from Monday-Thursday?
> 
> 
> Gary:Larry is best to answer this question since he did give me the 
> dates but I believe that the information on the video is correct because 
> the airport manager at KMVN suggested that we co-mix the two events. I 
> may be wrong in my interpretation of the conversation but I believe 
> that's what was said.
> 
> Keep building...
> 
> Luis
> 
> +++
> 
> A quick check indicates a combination of errors.  Luis asked me 
> specifically about those dates and I didn't catch the error.
> 
> With that behind us the dates on the www.krgathering.org web page and 
> the Light Sport Expo sites are correct.  If only you eagle eyes on the 
> net see the error in the last frame of the video it's probably a nit.  
> By the way, the last photo on the video makes a great screen saver.
> 
> Larry Flesner
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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Stef den Boer via KRnet]

The movie it realy great. Nice work to all of you who have sent his pics. One 
big family.

Stef



> Op 26-01-2022 02:34 schreef Flesner :
> 
>  
> One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really supposed 
> to run from Monday-Thursday?
> 
> 
> Gary:Larry is best to answer this question since he did give me the 
> dates but I believe that the information on the video is correct because 
> the airport manager at KMVN suggested that we co-mix the two events. I 
> may be wrong in my interpretation of the conversation but I believe 
> that's what was said.
> 
> Keep building...
> 
> Luis
> 
> +++
> 
> A quick check indicates a combination of errors.  Luis asked me 
> specifically about those dates and I didn't catch the error.
> 
> With that behind us the dates on the www.krgathering.org web page and 
> the Light Sport Expo sites are correct.  If only you eagle eyes on the 
> net see the error in the last frame of the video it's probably a nit.  
> By the way, the last photo on the video makes a great screen saver.
> 
> Larry Flesner
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KR>Re: PIREP: Exhaust System Failure -> CO Hazard

[Mark Langford]

https://www.eaa.org/videos/6222856341001 is the video I had in mind. You 
may have to be an EAA member to get to that linknot sure about that. 
  It will make a believer of you though.  Unfortunately, it's over an 
hour long!  If you're not an EAA member, you probably shouldn't be 
building an airplane (the video stash is incredibly educational about 
all aspects of homebuilt construction.  ~$50 a year.


The link above doesn't paint a very good picture of the little yellow 
buttons, although arguably, they are better than nothingboth Joe 
Horton and I have gained useful information from them, but they are 
nowhere near as informative or sensitive as real detectors like the Tocsin3.


 I've emailed Doug for a better version of his story, and will forward 
that when I get it.


Meanwhile, back to real KR2S work.

Mark Langford
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KR>Re: PIREP: Exhaust System Failure -> CO Hazard

[Flesner]

On 1/25/2022 10:51 PM, John Bouyea wrote:

I noticed a whitish-grey film down there.


+

That whitish-grey film seen anywhere in the vicinity of an exhaust 
component is a sure sign of an exhaust leak.  Exhaust fumes are the only 
thing that produce that color on an engine. Check carefully the areas 
where the pipes connect to  the engine and any slip or other joints in 
the pipes.  Welded spots are a good source for leaks.  Don't give 
unquestioned trust to stainless pipes either.  Two failures recently, 
one a crack at a weld "ring" joint (that pipe is in some farmers field 
somewhere) and the other was two small holes, irregular in shape, half 
the size of your pinky finger nail, in otherwise solid pipe.  Looked 
like a defect in the pipe.


If you buy one of those cardboard detectors don't forget to remove the 
plastic cover.  DUH.Larry, remove the plastic..


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KR>Re: PIREP: Exhaust System Failure -> CO Hazard

[Mark Langford]

I didn't have 42 minutes to kill watching that slow-moving video, but 
"our own" Doug Steen had a similar experience in his Dragonfly (I 
believe it was) decades ago, unconscious, running out of fuel over 
Florida, and crashing (horizontally, at least) into Florida somewhere. 
  I'll let him tell the story.  He's now flying a Tailwind.


A few months ago, there was a presentation on CO detectors, by EAA or 
Aircraft Spruce, I forget now, but the bottom line was that the TOCSIN 3 
Cockpit Monitor was the detector to buy.  I went online during the 
presentation, and they were already sold out (I'm a slow thinker), but I 
now have one and fly with it.  The other day I was running the 
kerosene-fired torpedo heater in the hangar, and wondered if I was in 
danger of CO poisoning, so I turned it on.  Zero ppm, so I'm safe there! 
 My point is, they are nice to have.  The little yellow buttons you can 
buy for a few bucks are all not entirely useless, but with some age, 
they get that way.  It's $169 well spent, in my book.


I'll see if I can dig up that video, which involves another exhaust 
leak, undetected, and led to this video on best choices for CO detectors.


Mark Langford
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Huntsville, AL

On 1/26/2022 12:03 AM, Kayak wrote:

Im for it. CO is insidious





https://youtu.be/MfzfP5CZBj8

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KR>Re: PIREP: Exhaust System Failure -> CO Hazard

[Kayak]

Im for it. CO is insidious

Here's a video on one VERY VERY lucky pilot who survived being made
unconscious in flight by CO, crashed...

https://youtu.be/MfzfP5CZBj8

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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Flesner]

One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really supposed 
to run from Monday-Thursday?


Gary:Larry is best to answer this question since he did give me the 
dates but I believe that the information on the video is correct because 
the airport manager at KMVN suggested that we co-mix the two events. I 
may be wrong in my interpretation of the conversation but I believe 
that's what was said.


Keep building...

Luis

+++

A quick check indicates a combination of errors.  Luis asked me 
specifically about those dates and I didn't catch the error.


With that behind us the dates on the www.krgathering.org web page and 
the Light Sport Expo sites are correct.  If only you eagle eyes on the 
net see the error in the last frame of the video it's probably a nit.  
By the way, the last photo on the video makes a great screen saver.


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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[John Bouyea]

And of course, http://KRGathering.net has the details for the KR aspect of
our side of the joint event, running at the same time as the Light Sport
Expo Jeff wrote about below.

If one reads the web site at , it would
appear Chris has arranged for a free shuttle service running between "The
Strip" in town and the airport.  This should solve a lot of issues for you
folks that might want to fly in, but don't like getting stranded without
transportation.  This should be a good event.
The Light Sport Expo runs concurrently with the KR Gathering in Mt Vernon
(KMVN) from Thurs, Sept 8 - Sun Sept 11.
Jeff Scott

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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Jeff Scott]

If one reads the web site at <https://www.midwestlsaexpo.com/>, it would appear 
Chris has arranged for a free shuttle service running between "The Strip" in 
town and the airport.  This should solve a lot of issues for you folks that 
might want to fly in, but don't like getting stranded without transportation.  
This should be a good event.

-Jeff Soctt

>
> The Light Sport Expo runs concurrently with the KR Gathering in Mt Vernon 
> (KMVN) from Thurs, Sept 8 - Sun Sept 11.
>
> -Jeff Scott
>
> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:50 PM
> > From: "G R Pickett" 
> > To: "KRnet" 
> > Subject: KR>Re: KR - The videois awesome !!!
> >
> >
> > One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really 
> > supposed to run from Monday-Thursday?

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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Jeff Scott]

The Light Sport Expo runs concurrently with the KR Gathering in Mt Vernon 
(KMVN) from Thurs, Sept 8 - Sun Sept 11.

-Jeff Scott

> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:50 PM
> From: "G R Pickett" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Subject: KR>Re: KR - The videois awesome !!!
>
>
> One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really supposed 
> to run from Monday-Thursday?

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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Gary:
Larry is best to answer this question since he did give me the dates but I 
believe that the information on the video is correct because the airport 
manager at KMVN suggested that we co-mix the two events. I may be wrong in my 
interpretation of the conversation but I believe that's what was said.
Keep building...
Luis 
On Monday, January 24, 2022, 07:50:56 PM CST, G R Pickett 
 wrote:  
 
 
One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really supposed 
to run from Monday-Thursday? 

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KR>Re: Fwd: The video is published

[Phillip Matheson]

Great work guys. Congratulations to all involved 

It would be difficult to had used all the photos sent in. 
Phil matheson 


Sent from my 
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> Check it out !!!  Thanks to Luis and Mark for all their efforts.
> 
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KR>Re: KR - The video is awesome !!!

[G R Pickett]

One question though:  Is the Gathering in Mt Vernon this year really supposed 
to run from Monday-Thursday? 

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KR>Re: Fwd: The video is published

[Mike Sylvester]

Thank you for all the hard work guys, great job… Makes me proud to have kept 
Ken Rand’s dreams alive. Also I’m proud to call everyone in the KR community my 
friends.

Mike Sylvester
kr2s builder
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854


From: Flesner 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 4:57 PM
To: KR net 
Subject: KR>Fwd: The video is published


Check it out !!!  Thanks to Luis and Mark for all their efforts.

Larry Flesner



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KR Anniversary 50 Years





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KR>Re: KR2

[Ryan]

My Revmaster 2100D engine with a Dual mag complete ready to run minus prop
is 192#
Ryan
N12KR

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From: dee david [mailto:deesa...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 11:02 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>Re: KR2

>From my calculations engine and accessories are 182 Ib (engine exhaust,
throttle body, mag,...)

I'm in the process of doing the same thing for a second KR.
But I'm using 35KW for my estimate. Then I not trying to go anywhere. Just
buz around
Dee

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 9:11 PM Robin Macdonald 
wrote:

> Hi guys I have a KR 2 that I am rebuilding , it had a 2100 Revmaster but
> the previous owner took it out & used it on something else, I am
> investigating fitting an electric motor etc can what I want to know is
what
> is the weight of a 2011 VW With all the accessories, I am looking at
> fitting a 70KW motor with controller etc, how much weight could I use for
> batteries etc, interested in your comments Robin NZ
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KR>Re: KR2

[dee david]

>From my calculations engine and accessories are 182 Ib (engine exhaust,
throttle body, mag,...)

I'm in the process of doing the same thing for a second KR.
But I'm using 35KW for my estimate. Then I not trying to go anywhere. Just
buz around
Dee

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 9:11 PM Robin Macdonald 
wrote:

> Hi guys I have a KR 2 that I am rebuilding , it had a 2100 Revmaster but
> the previous owner took it out & used it on something else, I am
> investigating fitting an electric motor etc can what I want to know is what
> is the weight of a 2011 VW With all the accessories, I am looking at
> fitting a 70KW motor with controller etc, how much weight could I use for
> batteries etc, interested in your comments Robin NZ
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KR>Re: San Diego, CA area

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Ryan
If you would like your airplane to appear in our 50th Anniversary of the KR 
video, please send me a picture or two of your airplane along with the 
following information:
KR 1, KR2 or KR2S
Builder
Current Owner if not the original builder
N Number
Engine:
Prop:
and any other info that you would like to appear with your data...
Thank you 

Luis R Claudio

On Saturday, January 22, 2022, 04:00:07 PM CST, Ryan  
wrote:  
 
 I am in the San Diego, CA area and looking for active builders & owners.

I have a standard KR-2Tri-gear that I can offer flight stick time to for the 
cost of fuel.

Ryan
N12KR
Text 858-229-4875

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Subject: KR>Lake Charles Area

Just curious if there are any KR builders or owners in the Lake Charles 
Louisiana area? I’m working here for a couple of months. 

Victor Taylor


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KR>Re: hello

[Keith Wiese]

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 4:20 PM Philip Maynard  wrote:

> I built a KR2 many years ago which I put about 120 hours on, which I no
> longer have and since retiring I'm considering building another. I've built
> several sailboats in the intervening years but I just never could get the
> KR2 out of my system. I had the original retracts but I would opt for a
> fixed tail dragger, keeping things stock as much as possible. Phil
>
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KR>Re: San Diego, CA area

[Ryan]

I am in the San Diego, CA area and looking for active builders & owners.

I have a standard KR-2Tri-gear that I can offer flight stick time to for the 
cost of fuel.

Ryan
N12KR
Text 858-229-4875

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Subject: KR>Lake Charles Area

Just curious if there are any KR builders or owners in the Lake Charles 
Louisiana area? I’m working here for a couple of months. 

Victor Taylor


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KR>Re: Taylor monoplane and KR1 and KR2

[John Umbach via KRnet]

The underlying wood structure is virtually identical. 

Taylor Monoplane 




KR-1





KR-2



Where they diverge is the construction of the wings, tail, and upper fuselage, 
as stated by another poster. I’m not certain about the spars. Nevertheless they 
do the same job and carry similar weights. 

I would suppose that if you started with a set of Taylor Monoplane plans and 
had an idea where you wanted to end up then Taylor Monoplane plans would be 
suitable to build a KR type airplane. 


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> On Jan 21, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Kayak  wrote:
> OK I stand corrected that the fuselage boat is very similar. The wings and
> tail structure and upper decks are different, they have to be.
> 
> I wonder if the Taylor spars are the same?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 5:39 AM colin hales  wrote:
> 
>> Having built and repaired and serviced many Taylor monoplanes here in the
>> UK and having built and repaired and serviced many KR2's and one Kr1
>> abroad, the Taylor Monoplane and the KR1 are the same aircraft.
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KR>Re: Taylor monoplane and KR1 and KR2

[Kayak]

OK I stand corrected that the fuselage boat is very similar. The wings and
tail structure and upper decks are different, they have to be.

I wonder if the Taylor spars are the same?

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 5:39 AM colin hales  wrote:

> Having built and repaired and serviced many Taylor monoplanes here in the
> UK and having built and repaired and serviced many KR2's and one Kr1
> abroad, the Taylor Monoplane and the KR1 are the same aircraft.
>

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