[lace] Re: lace copies
Alex said: I donât mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns at no cost, Thank you Alex! A friend and I have subscriptions to different lace publications, but both of us, if we see something in the other's publication, order our own copy of that particular number. My problem is more with out-of-print books. in my early days of lace-making, I saw and fell in love with Pat Read's Milanese lace books, but they were way beyond my capacities at the time; A couple of years later, when i felt I could tackle them, You couldn't find the for love or money - well, yes, but a LOT of money on ebay. A friend lent me hers for a shile (what's the copyright position there?), and I eventually was lucky enough to get a second-hand copy of the first book from Roseground. The same thing happened with Bridget Cook's Idrija lace , but there were other books on the subject, though not so detailed. I was delighted when they were reprinted, and am now working my way through mine. I perfectly understand the feelings of designers, for whom what they earn from a design is ridiculous compared with the time spent, the knowledge and skill required, not to mention the inspiration. And how galling it is that even that minute sum is pirated away. But there are a lot of frustrated lacemakers out here who can't get designs legally because they're out of print! (I may say that the only prickings I download are those which are offered free on sites such as LOKK - or Gon Homberg's site - for which, much thanks, Gon!) Sue from a gloriously sunny Montélimar - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] copies!
Alex et al., I realize that copyright has been discussed before on Arachne, but I think it's important that someone respond to Alex's initial statement. I agree with you that once you give out a pattern, you have (almost) no control over who copies it, but it is NOT in the public domain, at least not in the US. (What I say here I believe applies to the US at least, and I thought to the UK and most of the rest of Europe as well.) The creator of a design, diagram, set of instructions, text, score, etc. owns the copyright until their death (and it is my understanding that it then becomes a question of whether their estate renews the copyright or not), unless it is explicitly signed over to someone else or explicitly put into the public domain. It is my understanding that giving copies to a class, for example, is not putting it in the public domain. Practically speaking, once you give out a pattern, you are dependent on people's honesty either not to copy it, or to ask permission, or to pay you for it. Distributing a pattern without at least a name on it is making it unreasonably difficult (IMHO) for people to be honest about it, and I think it would be difficult to defend one's copyright in that case. However, the lace-making community is small enough and sufficiently networked that, if someone's name is on a pattern, then the honest thing to do is to track down the person and ask about acquiring a copy. Where US law gives latitude, and makes it a judgment call, is the "fair use" clause. I'm clearer about this clause in the case of a book: one has the right to copy a limited portion of a published work for personal use. Obviously an immediate question is what is meant by "limited"--I don't know and I expect the attorneys would be glad to discuss it at length, for a fee, but we can apply some common sense here. One factor determining "personal use" is that the portion that is copied not be sold. This means that I can copy a single pattern out of a book of patterns in the library, for example, for my own use, without violating US copyright law. (That doesn't mean that one should do so, however. The lace community is small enough, and hence the market for lace books is small enough, that we should be supporting our designers and authors.) How the fair use clause would apply to a stand-alone pattern that includes pricking, working diagram, perhaps written instructions, perhaps a photo of the finished lace? I don't know, but it would definitely not permit copying the entire thing, even just for personal use. Nancy Connecticut, USA On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Alex Stillwellwrote: > Hi Kim > > I agree with you. > > Once you give out a pattern it is in the public domain and you have no > control > over who copies it. If you wish to keep it to yourself donât give anyone > the > pattern. I donât mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns at > no cost, (please do not pass on the working instructions, they often take > more > time to write than the design itself) particularly if they acknowledge > that it > is my design. The time I got cross was when one of my students reported a > supplier was selling one of my designs. > > Perhaps if more lacemakers learned to design there would be less copying. > It > takes a time, the replies we have are typical, but it is very rewarding. > > Blow the dust, let,s design > > Alex > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] copies!
I so agree Alex. I Have always been willing to share anything I design, just give me the credit for the original. Maureen E Yorks UK where it is wall to wall sunshine. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] copies!
Hi Kim I agree with you. Once you give out a pattern it is in the public domain and you have no control over who copies it. If you wish to keep it to yourself donât give anyone the pattern. I donât mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns at no cost, (please do not pass on the working instructions, they often take more time to write than the design itself) particularly if they acknowledge that it is my design. The time I got cross was when one of my students reported a supplier was selling one of my designs. Perhaps if more lacemakers learned to design there would be less copying. It takes a time, the replies we have are typical, but it is very rewarding. Blow the dust, let,s design Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Copies of prickings from dark sources
Tracing and drawing are fine if your hands do what you want them to do. Mine don't now and it's very frustrating. Threading needle is difficult enough even with one of those wire thingies that you put trough the eye and pull the thread through, but getting a dot or a line (and a straight line) on to paper or card in the right place is hit and miss and very tiring. I used to draw markings on pricking card or trace but now I can't, so it's photocopy or scan and, if it's my own design use Lace XRP with snap-to-grid switched on. Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Copies of prickings from dark sources
Hello all, This is my first foray into Arachne. I've been following the thread about making prickings from copies too dark to photocopy. If the pattern is fairly small and simple, I have been known to use tracing paper - in the U.S., this is a thin, tissue-like paper that is translucent. Placing the tracing paper over the dark pricking (or over a pattern in a book), fastening it in place with paper clips or tape, I carefully draw the dots onto the tracing paper. Then I can simply photocopy my tracing-paper copy onto cardstock. Or, under the right circumstances, I actually prick the tracing paper. Sometimes I have to fiddle around with the background to get the dots to show up. Sometimes I prick the tracing paper and then draw the dots in place with an architect's felt pen. Either of these ways will get a workable pricking; again, as long as the pattern is not too involved. I agree with the writer(s) who said that drawing in one's own markings helps one to understand the pattern. So, although it takes some time, in the end it's for the best. I print on several colors of pastel card stock so that I will have a choice of thread colors, and then I cover the pricking with matte Contact Paper. Greetings from western Oregon, USA, Sally - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/