RE: [lace] Bucks Prickings
Hi ladies, As you requested more information, I checked my notes, and this is what I recorded. Spanish Blonde prickings, known to be over 100 years old. They are designed for a triangular mantilla, with the borders heavily worked and the ground worked in strips with flowers at intervals. Pins were expensive, so they only used every second hole and it is evident that only every second row is fully pricked. Suitable for 120 thread, doubled and twisted for the flowers for better coverage, 250 thread for the ground. It was explained to me that Spanish Blonde lace is not as fine as the French Blonde lace. The correct name is French Blonde lace in the Spanish tradition. As you suggest, it could be Almagro blonde, but I did not record that and maybe it was not suggested as I would not have understood the difference. Sorry for any confusion, Best wishes Annette in Wollongong, Australia From: Elena Kanagy-Loux Hi everyone, I hope I’m understanding this correctly. When I studied Spanish Blonde at the Lace association in Barcelona in 2015, the same thing was explained to me about pinning only on either side of the tulle. I also did not prick the pattern. I did however use a pin in every stitch of tulle, because I was a beginner and wanted more security. Best, Elena Maria Greil wrote: > Hello Annette, > What you write about Spanish blonde has made me very curious. Would > you mind telling us a little bit more about the 'very old prickings' > an English speaking Spanish lace historian gave you for the Gild > collection? As much as you tell (and Antje already found out and > perfectly described) it can only be Almagro blonde. > Maria Greil > a German lacemaker living in Spain Annette wrote" >> Hi all, Interesting discussions. >> In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our >> lace guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that >> the ground was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only >> pinned alternate rows to make the work quicker. >> The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows. >> From: Diana Smith >> Hi Alex >> Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few >> without the ground pricked. >> >> I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas >> of point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without >> pinning up, at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the >> pricked holes all in one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and >> would therefore be used to tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works >> well. >> Diana --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings
Hi everyone, I hope I’m understanding this correctly. When I studied Spanish Blonde at the Lace association in Barcelona in 2015, the same thing was explained to me about pinning only on either side of the tulle. I also did not prick the pattern. I did however use a pin in every stitch of tulle, because I was a beginner and wanted more security. Best, Elena Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:53, Maria Greil wrote: > > Hello Annette, > > What you write about Spanish blonde has made me very curious. Would you > mind telling us a little bit more about the 'very old prickings' an English > speaking Spanish lace historian gave you for the Gild collection? As much > as you tell (and Antje already found out and perfectly described) it can > only be Almagro blonde. > > Thank you. > > Maria Greil > a German lacemaker living in Spain > > 2017-12-03 22:55 GMT+01:00 Annette Meldrum : > >> Hi all, >> Interesting discussions. >> In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our lace >> guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that the ground >> was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only pinned alternate >> rows to make the work quicker. She is a lacemaker and lace historian, so I >> trust her knowledge. >> The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows. >> Annette, enjoying an unusually rainy and cool day, in Wollongong Australia. >> >> >> >> From: Diana Smith >> Hi Alex >> Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few >> without the ground pricked. >> >> I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas of >> point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up, >> at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in >> one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to >> tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well. >> >> Diana >> >> - >> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> - >> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ >> > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings
Hello Annette, What you write about Spanish blonde has made me very curious. Would you mind telling us a little bit more about the 'very old prickings' an English speaking Spanish lace historian gave you for the Gild collection? As much as you tell (and Antje already found out and perfectly described) it can only be Almagro blonde. Thank you. Maria Greil a German lacemaker living in Spain 2017-12-03 22:55 GMT+01:00 Annette Meldrum : > Hi all, > Interesting discussions. > In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our lace > guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that the ground > was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only pinned alternate > rows to make the work quicker. She is a lacemaker and lace historian, so I > trust her knowledge. > The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows. > Annette, enjoying an unusually rainy and cool day, in Wollongong Australia. > > > > From: Diana Smith > Hi Alex > Like you Iâve studied many old prickings over the years but very few > without the ground pricked. > > I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas of > point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up, > at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in > one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to > tension the work. Iâve tried this and it works well. > > Diana > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings
Hello Annette, You are right about the prickings of Spanish blonde from Almagro. I don't know if it happens the same with the ones form Catalonia though. One row is not pricked, and is not drawn on the pattern either. So, the ground is formed by horizontal lines of dots placed one under the other, not forming an angle. The stitches that are worked in the imaginary line that is between the drawn line is the one that forms the angle of the point gound. I imagine you do not find it easy to understand without seeing the pattern... I have tried it with this explanation! Perhaps Maria and Carolina can complete it... Best wishes and have a nice lacemaking week! -- Antje González, Spain www.vueltaycruz.es - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings
I've been following your discussion with interest - now it's time to comment. In Maltese lace, we never pre-prick our patterns - at least not to my knowledge - and this was never mentioned in lectures of Maltese lace history either. If a pattern is pricked (has holes) it means it has been used to work on. We also work the boll stitch (punt tal-balla) without any pins, except at the edges. The stitch is used where lots of ground is needed, and especially in ecclesiastical garments, both with fine threads and thicker ones, just because it can be worked up relatively fast. May I take this opportunity to wish everybody a happy festive season. Karen in Malta. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Bucks Prickings
Hi all, Interesting discussions. In Spain, I was given some very old Spanish blonde prickings for our lace guild archive. The lacemaker who donated them, explained that the ground was only pricked in each alternate row as lacemakers only pinned alternate rows to make the work quicker. She is a lacemaker and lace historian, so I trust her knowledge. The prickings are well used and indeed only pricked in alternate rows. Annette, enjoying an unusually rainy and cool day, in Wollongong Australia. From: Diana Smith Hi Alex Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few without the ground pricked. I have a theory, that in order to save time when working large areas of point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up, at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well. Diana - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks prickings
Hi Malvary and all, I tried working point ground pinning only the first and last pins of a row. It works nicely--if you can keep good tension. I wouldn't suggest it to beginners. but you make good points about the economics of professional lacemakers. Cynthia On Dec 3, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Malvary Cole wrote: > I raised this very question, not whether the pricking had been pricked or not but about putting in pins, when I did a course on Downton lace. It is the same thought, did the lacemakers put in pins on the longer rows of ground or not. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks prickings
I raised this very question, not whether the pricking had been pricked or not but about putting in pins, when I did a course on Downton lace. It is the same thought, did the lacemakers put in pins on the longer rows of ground or not. I tried it and after putting in a couple of pins at the edge, I then went down the row with no pins until I got near the pattern. I then put the pins in because I was still learning and didn't want to have that as a problem to not making the lace correctly. I found that it was quicker to do that than put the pin in at each stitch. As lacemakers also had to buy their pins which were expensive, perhaps we hear about them not using pins on the long rows of ground was because they just didn't have that many available. Do we know how the lacemakers got their patterns? Maybe they came already pricked and the lacemaker would start off with pins but as they became more accustomed to the pattern found that they could save both time and pins by not pinning all the way through the ground. Just my 2 cents worth. Malvary in Ottawa where we have a dullish but reasonably mild day (-2), but it is still early and time for some sun. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bucks prickings
Good morning Arachnids re: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:32:11 + From: Diana Smith Subject: Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings Yes, This may explain the this belief. I usually make a row of point ground stitches before pinning, but I usually restrict them to 3 stitches at a time. I have tried longer rows but I am not happy with the final tension. Even so, we still use and need the pinholes and it does not explain the prickings without the ground pricked. I am still waiting to see one. Are there any out there? Blow the dust Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings
Hi Alex Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few without the ground pricked. I have a theory, no doubt you have also thought of it! That in order to save time when working large areas of point ground some workers would work a row of stitches without pinning up, at the end of the row the pins were inserted into the pricked holes all in one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would therefore be used to tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well. Diana - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bucks Prickings
Hi Arachnids I am interested in the prickings that Elizabeth Ligeti wrote about. Even though I examined most of the prickings at Luton Museum when I was researching Bucks I did not see one that did not have the ground fully pricked. Making ground without pinning it is certainly one of our folk memories, but without the evidence I suspected that the practice was rare. No lace worker would go to the expense of having someone prick all the ground if she was not going to use the holes, nor would she have gone to the trouble of pricking all the holes herself. Does anyone know about any prickings like these? Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/