[LARTC] RE: Anything out there that is similar to Cisco's WFQ?

2002-07-10 Thread Don Cohen

Paul writes:
  No SFQ is not like WFQ... WRR is the closest thing to cisco's
  fair-queue..
  WRR keeps track of the connections using the ip_conntrack .. that's sort of
  what
  cisco's fair-queue does and it checks the bandwidth streams and gives lower
  priority
  to the higher streams and larger packets.. it's meant to reduce latency for
  traffic
  shaping and it does :)
  I haven't tried WRR but it looks like the closest thing to it although it
  doesn't
  take everything in to account as cisco's flow based WFQ does..

This is not very convincing.  Do you actually know how WFQ
works?  If so, please tell us.  The doc you sent did not describe how
it works but what the effects are, and those are entirely consistent
with what SFQ does. 
High bandwidth flows are limited, low bandwidth flows get lower
latency.  Can you describe some effect that's different?
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Re: [LARTC] RE: Anything out there that is similar to Cisco's WFQ?

2002-07-10 Thread John Bäckstrand

 This is not very convincing.  Do you actually know
how WFQ
 works?  If so, please tell us.  The doc you sent did
not describe how
 it works but what the effects are, and those are
entirely consistent
 with what SFQ does.
 High bandwidth flows are limited, low bandwidth flows
get lower
 latency.  Can you describe some effect that's
different?

I read a bit on WFQ earlier, Im not grasping it totally
and I dont know every implementation detail, but I
think its basically WRR but taking actual bandwidth
usage into account, and not just packet-counts. Well,
try this:

http://www.sics.se/~ianm/WFQ/wfq_descrip/node21.html

Im sure you all can get more out of it than me, a total
newbie to queueing theory and QoS.

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Re: [LARTC] RE: Anything out there that is similar to Cisco's WFQ?

2002-07-10 Thread John Bäckstrand

 =?iso-8859-1?Q?John_B=E4ckstrand?= writes:
This is not very convincing.  Do you actually
know
   how WFQ
works?  If so, please tell us.  The doc you sent
did
   not describe how
it works but what the effects are, and those are
   entirely consistent
with what SFQ does.
High bandwidth flows are limited, low bandwidth
flows
   get lower
latency.  Can you describe some effect that's
   different?
  
   I read a bit on WFQ earlier, Im not grasping it
totally
   and I dont know every implementation detail, but I
   think its basically WRR but taking actual
bandwidth
   usage into account, and not just packet-counts.
Well,
   try this:
  
  
http://www.sics.se/~ianm/WFQ/wfq_descrip/node21.html

 This sounds just like SFQ except for the weights.
 I have a variant of SFQ that does support weights if
that's important.
 It's easy to add.  (The hard part is the code that
allows you to
 configure the weights.)

I was under the impression that the weights of WFQ isnt
actually supposed to be set manually, but rather
automatically. This page has a nice picture of WFQ (I
think)

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/732/Tech/wfq/

It says: Weight determined by:
*Required QoS (IP Procedure, RSVP)
*Flow throughput inversely proportional
*Frame relay FECN, BECN, DE (for FR Traffic)

Only think I actually understood was Flow throughput
inversely proportional which is a property I am
looking for when trying to find a traffic control
implementation.

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Re: [LARTC] RE: Anything out there that is similar to Cisco's WFQ?

2002-07-10 Thread John Bäckstrand

Btw, about the original question (havent got the
original email left), there is a WFQ implementation for
ALTQ and FreeBSD, but it seems to not work too well:

http://www.criticalsoftware.com/research/pdf/Paper-PS.p
df

http://corn.eos.nasa.gov/qos/qos_results_summary_july98
.html

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