Re: [leaf-devel] Re: CVS problem

2006-04-13 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 20:32, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 Mike Noyes wrote:
  The SF staff indicates CVS will coexist with SVN for the foreseeable
  future. Natanael Copa expressed interest in using SVN for Alpine, and
  the Bering-uClibc team is concerned about buildtool. 
  
  I enabled SVN, so it is available, but I'm not sure how we proceed from
  here.
 
 We can migrate the existing CVS stuff over to subversion all at once, a
 project/directory at a time, or kicking and screaming once SF shuts down
 CVS for good (whenever that might be)...although this depends somewhat
 on what processes the SF staff makes available.

On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 10:32, Mike Noyes wrote: 
 Importing Data into SVN
 http://sourceforge.net/docs/E09#import


   With a local copy of the CVS archive and subversion access, it should
  be possible to convert any/all of our CVS content at our own pace.

Agreed. :-)

 Regardless, it sounds like it's worth setting up a rolling backup script
 for the CVS archives, and it would probably be good to look into backing
 up our SF subversion repository.

Thanks Charles. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me
know.

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-13 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Hi Jorn;

any success building a new image?

kp


Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:48 schrieb KP Kirchdoerfer:
 Jorn;

 Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:41 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
  KP  All,
 
  Did you format from  Windows?
 
  Nop - Debian Sarge 2.6 kernel with msdos,fat  vfat modules loaded
 
  I guess it got to late yesterday.  Looking trough my notes I saw that I
  forgott to format it with mkfs.vfat
  mkdir /hd
  mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /hd
  touch thisisatestwithreallylongfilenames.txt
  works fine with my image now.
  I have also changed the syslinux.cfg entries to /dev/sda1:vfat
 
  But, I can not get long file names with lrcfg :-(

 What do you test with lrcfg??

 I just check on CLI. And real testcase IMHO will be modules.conf with the
 enhancements to load from sda...

  Maybe I just do this to late in the evening.  I'll roll another image
  tomorrow morning  - hopefully I get all stuff ironed out then.  I guess
  the reformat will take care of the umbunto issue as well.

 Sounds good, will test again :)

 kp



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Re: [leaf-devel] Re: CVS problem

2006-04-13 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 17:29, Mike Noyes wrote:
 The directories/modules below still need verification.

Everyone,
I'll wait until Mon. before contacting the SF staff regarding our
repository corruption. The directories/modules listed below have until
then to complete verification. Thanks.


   On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:17, Mike Noyes wrote:
   The following is a list of directories that differ:
  
   leaf/bin/bering-uclibc/ 
   leaf/bin/config/webconf/
   leaf/bin/lince/ four files
   leaf/bin/packages/uclibc-0.9/   subdirectory 20/ verified
  
   leaf/devel/espakman/one file usbfile.gz
   leaf/devel/freat/
   leaf/devel/hejl/
   leaf/devel/jjprieto/Attic/  one file lince.iso.bz2 
   leaf/devel/nangel/
   leaf/devel/pstraina/

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bering-uclibc and cvs usage [was: Re: [leaf-devel] Re: CVS problem]

2006-04-13 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Mittwoch, 12. April 2006 19:22 schrieb Mike Noyes:
 On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 06:44, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
  QUESTION:  What's the status of the SF CVS archive in terms of how long
  it's going to continue to be in use?  If everything is going into
  subversion soon, I'm not going to mess with generating rotating backups
  of the CVS repository, but if the CVS stuff is going to stay in
  production for a while, it's probably worth it.

 Charles,
 The SF staff indicates CVS will coexist with SVN for the foreseeable
 future. Natanael Copa expressed interest in using SVN for Alpine, and
 the Bering-uClibc team is concerned about buildtool.

 I enabled SVN, so it is available, but I'm not sure how we proceed from
 here.

The Bering-uClibc team does work intensivly with cvs:

- Everyone shall be able to build a developement environment and the lrpS from 
cvs sources.
- contributions can be added almost automatically from every LEAF developer 
via cvs
- the Bering-uClibc packages page is heavily based on cvs access.


We do need a working cvs being around for some more time :)

kp


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Re: bering-uclibc and cvs usage [was: Re: [leaf-devel] Re: CVS problem]

2006-04-13 Thread Martin Hejl
Hi kp,

 The Bering-uClibc team does work intensivly with cvs:
 
 - Everyone shall be able to build a developement environment and the lrpS 
 from 
 cvs sources.
 - contributions can be added almost automatically from every LEAF developer 
 via cvs
 - the Bering-uClibc packages page is heavily based on cvs access.
 
 
 We do need a working cvs being around for some more time :)
looking at how much work it _might_ be (I don't know for sure, and I
don't have the time to find out - if somebody else wants to have a look
at it, [s]he is more than welcome to do so) it's actually worse than
that. My take is that changing everything to a different CVS server
(should SF pull CVS support at some point) would most likely be easier
than switching to subversion. That's just my take though - switching to
another CVS server is a configuration change, that's easily tested.
Switching to subversion is a big unknown to me, and at this point, I
neither have the time, nor much of an inclination to spend time on
porting all our stuff to subversion. To me, a port would bring tons of
extra work, without much of a gain. Subversion might be more stable than
CVS is on SF right now (there's no debating the problems SF has had with
CVS in the past), but that's the only gain I see - all the other things
that subversion undoubtedly brings are not terribly high on my
priorities list at this point in time, since the lack of them doesn't
keep me from doing what I need to do (binary diffs, versioning of
directories, renaming of files, true atomic commits are all fine
features, but no killer features to _me_ at this point, given the amount
of work it seems it would take to switch).

Again - if there's somebody familiar with perl, CVS and subversion, who
wants to port buildtool and genpage, they're more than welcome to do so
(and I'd do my best to help as much as I can).

Martin

P.S. In case somebody is wondering - I'm _NOT_ threatening to move away
from SF and create a fork of LEAF on some other site. I'm just saying
that at this point, there seems to be nobody available to do the work
required to move from CVS to subversion, so migrating to another
repository would seem easier than migrating to another SCM, if we are
forced to make a decision.
And before anybody blames CVS for the current problems, as far as I can
tell, subversion would have taken as much of a hit from a filesystem
corruption as CVS.
I guess if there's something we can learn from this, it's not to rely on
SF services without a good backup (and there's nobody to blame for that
but all of us, myself included - SF never claimed to keep backups, as
far as I recall).



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Re: bering-uclibc and cvs usage [was: Re: [leaf-devel] Re: CVS problem]

2006-04-13 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
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Martin Hejl wrote:

 Again - if there's somebody familiar with perl, CVS and subversion, who
 wants to port buildtool and genpage, they're more than welcome to do so
 (and I'd do my best to help as much as I can).

Subversion can generally be used as a 'superset' of CVS, and quite a bit
of the command line is identical, particularly for the common uses
you've probably got coded into your tools (ie: checkout, update,
commit), so converting could be as simple as substituting svn for cvs
(unless you're using some perl module to directly access CVS w/o using
the command-line client).  I'm sure there's also a 'wrapper' script
available somewhere for most of the less common usages.

...of course, even if the conversion is easy, everything takes some
work, and usually more time (especially regression testing!)...

 P.S. In case somebody is wondering - I'm _NOT_ threatening to move away
 from SF and create a fork of LEAF on some other site. I'm just saying
 that at this point, there seems to be nobody available to do the work
 required to move from CVS to subversion, so migrating to another
 repository would seem easier than migrating to another SCM, if we are
 forced to make a decision.

Yeah, that's why I figure it's worth it to start keeping a backup
rotation of our CVS directory from SF.  I'm sure we'll eventually
migrate to subversion, but it probably won't be until some critical need
forces the issue. :)

NOTE:  I have overseen the conversion of a very large CVS archive into
subversion (the source code for a commercial 3D graphics package), and
it's fairly painless using the automated scripts provided with
subversion for that purpose.  So at least that part *SHOULD* be easy. :)

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