Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Hi Simon, In relation to the Legit, yes, your not the first one to raise this question. I would be happy if you or someone within OSM community can provide an example of Legit or Not Legit topo map as a source, if not for this case then at least for the future. Regarding the data itself, of course I still have the SHP File, I do fully intend to start complementing OSM for Kosova and the region once the Dev. Seed is done with the new tool they're working on. I think it'll make it a lot easier then. Best, Bekim On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 07.03.2013 17:20, schrieb Bekim Kajtazi: To help understand better, this is how data got into OSM: I digitized the data from topo maps Shared the SHP File with FLOSSK in Prishtina FLOSSK recruited many volunteers to get the data in OSM Few months later data was removed from OSM Anyway, unless there is a way to get some of that data back into the map, then I don't see any benefit of continuing this conversation. Assuming a) the topo maps are a legit source (out of copyright or explicit permission) and b) you still have the SHP files, sure it is still possible (and if it is just by providing the files as an overlay which is preferable to an import anyway). From the mails it would seem as if you do not actually have an OSM account or at least you were not involved with the importing yourself, then I can only point back to the importers. They would have had it in their hands to document the import properly, provide support during the licence change if explicit permission for further use was necessary and so on. Simon ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Hello Simone, Thanks for getting back on this one. *Well, I **was never contacted by anyone about the license.* Nevertheless, once I noticed the data missing from the map I tried to reach out to those that I knew in the community. Mike DuPont tried to help and Michael Collinson was looking into it [see email reply from him dated 21/Sept/2012], yet nothing was resolved. I just feel bad and is disappointing that all that hard work on digitizing the data [it took over a year to trace all those routs and roads from 25k topo map] at first, and then all the correcting it and [re]tracing by volunteers it was lost! Totally not in the spirit of OPEN if you ask me. Best, Bekim On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Bekim The basic issue is likely to be that we never received permission to distribute the original imported data with the ODbL implying that the date had to be removed prior to the licence change. The redaction process was designed to preserve as much work as possible is such situations, but for example if the original data had road names those will have not survived the redaction. The consequences of not agreeing to the CTs and/or not getting permission for continuing distribution of imported data were very clear to the relevant contributors and their failure to do so is something you should take up with them. Simon Am 04.03.2013 15:31, schrieb Bekim Kajtazi: Hello Michael, Just to let you know that I never heard back from anyone on the issue of the road data for Kosovo. I am not sure how things work, but I was very unhappy that all that data was removed after hundreds of work hours made by many volunteers in Kosova to update the original dataset which was coming from a dated source. Now I see the maps has a lost of new roads but the old dataset is not incorporated, so not sure if anything can be done at all if there's a possibility to combine something. Any advise, recommendation would be welcome. Best, Bekim On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.bizwrote: Hi Bekim, If nobody else gives you feedback I will do so next week. I am away at the moment. Regards, Michael Collinson On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:11, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mike, Hopefully someone will send some feedback. Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where is the starting point? I am ready to approve, sign, confirm anything required! Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Gent's, Some days ago I noticed that all those detailed roads that were on OSM in Kosova were removed. Does anyone have any information, like when? why? were removed. I am about to contact OSM and any assistance and additional information is welcome! Best, Bekim -- about.me/bekim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GIS Kosova group. To post to this group, send email to gis-kos...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to gis-kosova+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gis-kosova?hl=en. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing listlegal-talk@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Btw.: You have had to be a really hardcore (main page sidebars, wiki, mailing list, twitter, blog, forum) ignorer if despite being active in OSM you missed the license change. Funny you say that...Was it me who had to contact OSM and approve the license change or other way around. I had been informed by FLOSSK [ http://www.flossk.org/] members that OSM will send an email about new license, I never did receive anything ,as I said earlier. The other point that surprises me is that all the replies I have received in last couple of days are how possible I did not see, or ignored the notices, and what not...anyway, I am not interested to be confrontational on this matter, I had sent email asking about what's going on ... and you could have seen that if you had red the entire email chain going back for more than 6 months now. To help understand better, this is how data got into OSM: I digitized the data from topo maps Shared the SHP File with FLOSSK in Prishtina FLOSSK recruited many volunteers to get the data in OSM Few months later data was removed from OSM Anyway, unless there is a way to get some of that data back into the map, then I don't see any benefit of continuing this conversation. Thanks you, Bekim On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 07/mar/2013 um 16:21 schrieb Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com: Whatever case it is...the data is gone!!! Generally it is your responsibility to keep your contact information up to date. I sent 2 times around 100-200 emails to the major contributors to OSM on the Italian grounds which had not decided on the CTs by the time and many of them didn't reach the mapper because he didn't care or forgot to update his email. Btw.: You have had to be a really hardcore (main page sidebars, wiki, mailing list, twitter, blog, forum) ignorer if despite being active in OSM you missed the license change. cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Hello Michael, Just to let you know that I never heard back from anyone on the issue of the road data for Kosovo. I am not sure how things work, but I was very unhappy that all that data was removed after hundreds of work hours made by many volunteers in Kosova to update the original dataset which was coming from a dated source. Now I see the maps has a lost of new roads but the old dataset is not incorporated, so not sure if anything can be done at all if there's a possibility to combine something. Any advise, recommendation would be welcome. Best, Bekim On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Bekim, If nobody else gives you feedback I will do so next week. I am away at the moment. Regards, Michael Collinson On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:11, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mike, Hopefully someone will send some feedback. Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where is the starting point? I am ready to approve, sign, confirm anything required! Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Gent's, Some days ago I noticed that all those detailed roads that were on OSM in Kosova were removed. Does anyone have any information, like when? why? were removed. I am about to contact OSM and any assistance and additional information is welcome! Best, Bekim -- about.me/bekim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GIS Kosova group. To post to this group, send email to gis-kos...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to gis-kosova+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gis-kosova?hl=en. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Thanks Michael, I'll be waiting for your reply then. Best, Bekim On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Bekim, If nobody else gives you feedback I will do so next week. I am away at the moment. Regards, Michael Collinson On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:11, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mike, Hopefully someone will send some feedback. Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where is the starting point? I am ready to approve, sign, confirm anything required! Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Gent's, Some days ago I noticed that all those detailed roads that were on OSM in Kosova were removed. Does anyone have any information, like when? why? were removed. I am about to contact OSM and any assistance and additional information is welcome! Best, Bekim -- about.me/bekim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GIS Kosova group. To post to this group, send email to gis-kos...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to gis-kosova+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gis-kosova?hl=en. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
