Re: lilypond bug 2368
Karol, I hope someone can help you do what you wish. It's definitely beyond my level of expertise. From my point of view on the bug squad, this doesn't look like something that needs to be handled by us, so I'm going to suggest that future correspondence on this issue not be sent to the bug squad. Thanks, Mark 2012/4/24 Karol Majewski > Thank you Phil. > > Dear LilyPond friends: Janek, Phil, Colin, > > I have another big problem now. I'm trying to find a global setting that > would allow to ignore collisions between ties and accidentals. For me, a > tie-accidental collision looks a way better than a shifted tie - especially > in tied chords in which one of the ties is unnaturaly shifted horizontaly. > I'm almost sure that it is possible to achieve this, but I don't know how. > > Best wishes > > PS Janek, I saw that report. I really appreciate your contribution :) > > > > > W dniu 13 kwietnia 2012 16:10 użytkownik Phil Holmes > napisał: > > > ** > > > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Karol Majewski > > *To:* Janek Warchoł > > *Cc:* LilyPond Developmet Team ; Lilypond Bugs< > bug-lilyp...@gnu.org> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:33 PM > > *Subject:* Re: lilypond bug 2368 > > > > OK, thanks for explanation! Actually, I've menaged to solve my problem by > > entering hidden notes with unHidden slur in separate voice. Now the tie > > refers to the right notes and appeals to my sense of aesthetic - despite > > colliding with an accidental (take a look at the attachment). > > > > Janek, I'm not a student of Politechnika Warszawska - neither former nor > > present. I'm a former student of Akademia Muzyczna w Gdańsku :) > > > > Best Wishes > > Karol Majewski > > > > Check my suggestion at > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2368 - it works > better > > and is designed for this. > > > > -- > > Phil Holmes > > > > > > > ___ > bug-lilypond mailing list > bug-lilyp...@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond > ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: lilypond bug 2368
Thank you Phil. Dear LilyPond friends: Janek, Phil, Colin, I have another big problem now. I'm trying to find a global setting that would allow to ignore collisions between ties and accidentals. For me, a tie-accidental collision looks a way better than a shifted tie - especially in tied chords in which one of the ties is unnaturaly shifted horizontaly. I'm almost sure that it is possible to achieve this, but I don't know how. Best wishes PS Janek, I saw that report. I really appreciate your contribution :) W dniu 13 kwietnia 2012 16:10 użytkownik Phil Holmes napisał: > ** > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Karol Majewski > *To:* Janek Warchoł > *Cc:* LilyPond Developmet Team ; Lilypond > Bugs > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: lilypond bug 2368 > > OK, thanks for explanation! Actually, I've menaged to solve my problem by > entering hidden notes with unHidden slur in separate voice. Now the tie > refers to the right notes and appeals to my sense of aesthetic - despite > colliding with an accidental (take a look at the attachment). > > Janek, I'm not a student of Politechnika Warszawska - neither former nor > present. I'm a former student of Akademia Muzyczna w Gdańsku :) > > Best Wishes > Karol Majewski > > Check my suggestion at > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2368 - it works better > and is designed for this. > > -- > Phil Holmes > > > ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: lilypond bug 2368
- Original Message - From: Karol Majewski To: Janek Warchoł Cc: LilyPond Developmet Team ; Lilypond Bugs Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:33 PM Subject: Re: lilypond bug 2368 OK, thanks for explanation! Actually, I've menaged to solve my problem by entering hidden notes with unHidden slur in separate voice. Now the tie refers to the right notes and appeals to my sense of aesthetic - despite colliding with an accidental (take a look at the attachment). Janek, I'm not a student of Politechnika Warszawska - neither former nor present. I'm a former student of Akademia Muzyczna w Gdańsku :) Best Wishes Karol Majewski Check my suggestion at http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2368 - it works better and is designed for this. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: lilypond bug 2368
OK, thanks for explanation! Actually, I've menaged to solve my problem by entering hidden notes with unHidden slur in separate voice. Now the tie refers to the right notes and appeals to my sense of aesthetic - despite colliding with an accidental (take a look at the attachment). Janek, I'm not a student of Politechnika Warszawska - neither former nor present. I'm a former student of Akademia Muzyczna w Gdańsku :) Best Wishes Karol Majewski 2012/4/11 Janek Warchoł > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Colin Hall wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 05:32:28PM +0200, Karol Majewski wrote: > >> > >> Is it possible to mark 2368 bug as critical? I think this kind of > >> regression is a serious problem. Just take a look at my last > >> comment: > >> > >> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2368#c6 > > > > I agree with you that the notation output is not correct, especially > > in the sample you provide in comment 6. > > > > I'm going to do my best to explain why this issue should not be marked > > critical. I hope that others will correct my statements as necessary. > > > > You might not be aware that there are several open issues for Lilypond > > that relate to the typesetting of ties and slurs. For example see > > issue 298, referenced from issue 2368. > > > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=298 > > > > There are others. > > > > As I understand it the development team have identified that a better > > implementation of ties is possible but requires aesthetic design work > > to establish how this feature should work before technical > > implementation work can begin. The technical work may be substantial. > > Yes, i do think that it will make more sense to rewrite tie code > bearing in mind all bad tie cases instead of fixing the issues one by > one. Besides, i suppose that marking this as critical will have only > one result: next stable release will be postponed for 3 months or so. > It won't make the bug fixed immediately, nor even soon. > > > Janek has a study of Lilypond's typesetting of ties and slurs which is > > work in progress and which may provide the aesthetic design we > > need. He mentioned it in response to your original bug report: > > > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2012-02/msg01203.html > > Yes. The bad news is that i won't have time to finish it until > summer. However, if there's anyone willing to finish it, i can share > my results and provide some guidance. The task requires aesthetic > sense and analytical skills, and i estimate 40 hours of work is needed > to finish the tie analysis - no idea how long implementation will > take. > > Bottom line: find someone to finish tie report and implement it's > conclusions (or pay David to implement them - i will add EURO 50 from > myself if this is done before May 15). > > i hope that didn't sound too discouraging :) > Janek > > PS Karol, are you a (former) student of Warsaw University of > Technology, Faculty of Electronics (Elka)? > <>___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: lilypond bug 2368
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Karol Majewski wrote: > OK, thanks for explanation! Actually, I've menaged to solve my problem by > entering hidden notes with unHidden slur in separate voice. Now the tie > refers to the right notes and appeals to my sense of aesthetic - despite > colliding with an accidental (take a look at the attachment). I see additional dots, you may want to hide them as well. As for the tie, a perfect solution would involve not only avoiding accidental, but also moving the augmentation dot a bit... there's a lot of work to be done on ties. > Janek, I'm not a student of Politechnika Warszawska - neither former nor > present. I'm a former student of Akademia Muzyczna w Gdańsku :) Ah :) I found a Karol-Majewski-Elka-student on the net and thought it may be you. Nice to see people from Poland! Are you interested in becoming a contributor? ;) BTW, i will take the opportunity for an obvious self-promotion: see how i represent our country in LilyPond newsletter http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-25 ! best, Janek ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
Re: lilypond bug 2368
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Colin Hall wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 05:32:28PM +0200, Karol Majewski wrote: >> >> Is it possible to mark 2368 bug as critical? I think this kind of >> regression is a serious problem. Just take a look at my last >> comment: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2368#c6 > > I agree with you that the notation output is not correct, especially > in the sample you provide in comment 6. > > I'm going to do my best to explain why this issue should not be marked > critical. I hope that others will correct my statements as necessary. > > You might not be aware that there are several open issues for Lilypond > that relate to the typesetting of ties and slurs. For example see > issue 298, referenced from issue 2368. > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=298 > > There are others. > > As I understand it the development team have identified that a better > implementation of ties is possible but requires aesthetic design work > to establish how this feature should work before technical > implementation work can begin. The technical work may be substantial. Yes, i do think that it will make more sense to rewrite tie code bearing in mind all bad tie cases instead of fixing the issues one by one. Besides, i suppose that marking this as critical will have only one result: next stable release will be postponed for 3 months or so. It won't make the bug fixed immediately, nor even soon. > Janek has a study of Lilypond's typesetting of ties and slurs which is > work in progress and which may provide the aesthetic design we > need. He mentioned it in response to your original bug report: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2012-02/msg01203.html Yes. The bad news is that i won't have time to finish it until summer. However, if there's anyone willing to finish it, i can share my results and provide some guidance. The task requires aesthetic sense and analytical skills, and i estimate 40 hours of work is needed to finish the tie analysis - no idea how long implementation will take. Bottom line: find someone to finish tie report and implement it's conclusions (or pay David to implement them - i will add €50 from myself if this is done before May 15). i hope that didn't sound too discouraging :) Janek PS Karol, are you a (former) student of Warsaw University of Technology, Faculty of Electronics (Elka)? ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
