Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
Am 05.10.2015 08:32, schrieb David Kastrup: ... LilyPond somewhere offers a lilydev VM that can be started under Windows. ... http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/contributor/lilydev There is a chapter Installing LilyDev in VirtualBox May be that is what David mentioned? (I never ever used Windows and never will - so dont ask me for details!) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
Blöchl Bernhard writes: > Am 05.10.2015 02:29, schrieb Ivan Kuznetsov: >> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Karen S. Billings >> wrote: > >>> >>> How would somebody like me gain access to vi (and other Unix-like >>> tools)? >> > > Recommended: Trash Windows, free yourself and use Linux and Frescobaldi Frescobaldi, like LilyPond, also runs under Windows. Even though Windows 10 is an excellent reason to take the plunge if one hasn't done so already. > Second best: http://www.vim.org/download.php/ LilyPond somewhere offers a lilydev VM that can be started under Windows. While Cygwin and MSYS offer ways to run UNIX utilities more or less natively under Windows, there tend to be lots of little problems and shortcomings that come up whenever you try porting or developing software. It is one of the reasons that nobody tries developing LilyPond natively for Windows. Instead our Windows offerings are crosscompiled from GNU/Linux systems. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Aw: Re: PDF Links in Windows
Am 05.10.2015 08:27, schrieb msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Mon, 5 Oct 2015, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > Does anyone know if it would be possible to make the links in the regular > PDF reader go to Frescobaldi? What is a regular PDF reader? Is it a working one? Which one is irregular? Adobe Acrobat Reader. OK, if you are convinced, then use Acrobat Reader. Where is the question? > me. LilyPad is O.K. most of the time too, but it can't handle Unicode! :O Lilypond DOES unicode: LilyPad. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Aw: Re: PDF Links in Windows
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > > Does anyone know if it would be possible to make the links in the regular > > PDF reader go to Frescobaldi? > > What is a regular PDF reader? Is it a working one? Which one is irregular? Adobe Acrobat Reader. > > me. LilyPad is O.K. most of the time too, but it can't handle Unicode! :O > Lilypond DOES unicode: LilyPad. -- Matthew Skala msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before principles. http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Aw: Re: PDF Links in Windows
Am 05.10.2015 03:57, schrieb Thomas WillNot: Hello comrades, Thanks for all of your replies! Does anyone know if it would be possible to make the links in the regular PDF reader go to Frescobaldi? What is a regular PDF reader? Is it a working one? Which one is irregular? I have discovered Frescobaldi (after years of hacking away at LilyPond the hard way!) and quite like it! But I like to use Acrobat Reader for a maximized view of my score. If it can't be done with Frescobaldi, Notepad or MS-DOS Edit also work for me. LilyPad is O.K. most of the time too, but it can't handle Unicode! :O I know how to register a protocol, and those links will help, but I wonder which method of scripting glue might work for this. I fear that anything beyond simple batch scripting would be beyond my abilities to figure out! Thanks again, Thomas I do not really understand what you want and what you (why) want to do? Lilypond DOES unicode: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/special-characters ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
Quarto Nonas Novembres MMXV scripsit Ivan Kuznetsov : > > How would somebody like me gain access to vi (and other Unix-like tools)? > > By using Lilypond under Linux. For the specific case of vi(m), there is a perfectly fine version of gvim for Windows (this is usually the very first program I install when I get a new, Windows machine). If you don't like a modal editor, you may even make it less modal by using "easy mode" (*) by launching it as "gvim -y". Then it's more-or-less an enhanced Notepad (but you may still access all of vi(m)'s power). (*) (that's the official name BTW, they might as well have called it "cheat mode enabled") ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
Am 05.10.2015 02:29, schrieb Ivan Kuznetsov: On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Karen S. Billings wrote: How would somebody like me gain access to vi (and other Unix-like tools)? Recommended: Trash Windows, free yourself and use Linux and Frescobaldi Second best: http://www.vim.org/download.php/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
On 10/4/15 8:40 PM, "Colin Campbell" wrote: >On 15-10-04 06:29 PM, Ivan Kuznetsov wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Karen S. Billings >>wrote: >>> I'm a former Bell Labs engineer, where I used Unix (vi, awk, shell, >>>etc.) everyday. >>> I got so used to using those tools, and I find I miss their power... >>> >>> I'm really struggling to learn how to use the "tools" available to me >>>on my PC. I used >>> to have a version of vi available as part of MKS toolkit, but it >>>hasn't worked in years... >>> >>> How would somebody like me gain access to vi (and other Unix-like >>>tools)? >> By using Lilypond under Linux. >> > >If you are required to stay with Windows, you might have a look at >cygwin: https://www.cygwin.com/ You can also use the MinGW tools. http://www.mingw.org/ They are lighter weight (but less comprehensive) than cygwin. You could also run a VirtualBox virtual machine under Windows with a Linux environment. Finally, there is a version of vim for Windows: http://www.vim.org/download.php HTH, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
On 15-10-04 06:29 PM, Ivan Kuznetsov wrote: On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Karen S. Billings wrote: I'm a former Bell Labs engineer, where I used Unix (vi, awk, shell, etc.) everyday. I got so used to using those tools, and I find I miss their power... I'm really struggling to learn how to use the "tools" available to me on my PC. I used to have a version of vi available as part of MKS toolkit, but it hasn't worked in years... How would somebody like me gain access to vi (and other Unix-like tools)? By using Lilypond under Linux. If you are required to stay with Windows, you might have a look at cygwin: https://www.cygwin.com/ Cheers, Colin -- I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back. -Maya Angelou, poet (1928-2014) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Aw: Re: PDF Links in Windows
Hello comrades, Thanks for all of your replies! Does anyone know if it would be possible to make the links in the regular PDF reader go to Frescobaldi? I have discovered Frescobaldi (after years of hacking away at LilyPond the hard way!) and quite like it! But I like to use Acrobat Reader for a maximized view of my score. If it can't be done with Frescobaldi, Notepad or MS-DOS Edit also work for me. LilyPad is O.K. most of the time too, but it can't handle Unicode! :O I know how to register a protocol, and those links will help, but I wonder which method of scripting glue might work for this. I fear that anything beyond simple batch scripting would be beyond my abilities to figure out! Thanks again, Thomas ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: manuals page [WAS Re: teaching a university module on
Urs Liska wrote > Am 28.04.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Peter Gentry: >> That benlemon link is a real lemon - does the purported site actually >> exist? > > That's strange - I had actually looked at that page before pasting the > URL into the email post. > > Urs > >> regards >> Peter Gentry** >> >> >> >> ___ >> lilypond-user mailing list >> > lilypond-user@ >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@ > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Hi all, Sorry about this hosting issue, it's been fixed. I was attempting to also change WordPress themes and that backfired so I tabled that idea for now. Also, I've had a few roadblocks in my life and work which delayed my new Lilypond series. But they will be uploaded, for sure. I'm really proud of them and eager to offer them up to the community. Hope all is well with everyone, Ben - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) --> http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/manuals-page-WAS-Re-teaching-a-university-module-on-tp175558p181997.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
left offsetting dotted note leaves dot unmoved
Hi all,
I'm trying to left offset a dotted note in a CueVoice, but although the
note is shifted left as expected, the dot is not moved left.
How can I make the dot go left as well?
(I don't want to move the alternative voice to the right, or it would be
difficultly readable.)
Cheers,
Marten
CODE:
%{
Left offsetting a dotted note leaves dot unmoved
%}
\version "2.18.2"
myMusic = {
<< \voiceOne { g2~ g8[ g] } \new CueVoice = "OddText" {
\voiceTwo
\once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #-25 g2. %\revert
NoteColumn.force-hshift
} >> \oneVoice
g8[ f]
}
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
\key d \minor
\new Voice {\relative c'' \myMusic }
}
>>
\layout {}
}
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Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Karen S. Billings wrote: > > I'm a former Bell Labs engineer, where I used Unix (vi, awk, shell, etc.) > everyday. > I got so used to using those tools, and I find I miss their power... > > I'm really struggling to learn how to use the "tools" available to me on my > PC. I used > to have a version of vi available as part of MKS toolkit, but it hasn't > worked in years... > > How would somebody like me gain access to vi (and other Unix-like tools)? By using Lilypond under Linux. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/15 09:08, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Oct 2015, Paul Scott wrote: > Do yourself a serious favor and learn vi >> >> Or Emacs! > > Oh no .. not a Vi(m) vs Emacs discussion again! Do I see a > connection with the average age thread that was here recently? > (many 50+ people here) > > BTW: I use Vim. Not because it's better or worse but because I am > used to it. > Some of us lament the passing of EDT or the later TPU. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWEZMOAAoJEAF3yXsqtyBlnPYQAK0hB0LWxa2Ry/7OOff/ga3k 23JoViE/6nQ8xADHTWEp8Oi68Px5STbpMRZg7ShZsoQ69+VVexApA7PxmhjiUKua rYrOD3dy+Mu8DJ/eul6ohUkw34s4A56NRM/dmbupWeOTm9o0CeJtTr8i1S3GSjEn s8ZLdT4XXhdd6HKBc+ZMVuhjPOYQVlZUtuP8VHj7Gx04HhGzbbHnvsB/7O3qWgBr H72S0Cw8FTMrxC/JDESq6Qhp3Gv89yT82KhCGMQq87yaUUsC7sRbTwQi0id4sI7O VZIRYD/P1PAK0H9g/Ky7Jtz4OKqsqXmZjTJqE3Z+1koinnwfdU+uq0LmihTnesw2 3YO5oTWADFl0481KsKRIzpM5M2bcCaK8/REFpuf5YfTrF3sp2isab31GOPf+Gqiq OW+jK9WLN15gbqKYoO6lYcq6ykL4VoG0AWr/XFZl9RpzrZl3lxiJrf3kMrLGdX8S J2BsHBkTz4GLDXp0hKHFJZOfo7cdeUcDMop1WmAkxl9b2gLsNwPg3XBmYGmgBRDG 2w4xaETgLGFX741e8dBKppgAb34CJymFZiObofXuJOlQXt3jjzRu7a7dVq9d2eeK lwvi6rWCyEvRrHCg8CUYJCRZcdEvd2cr/bcg+1gDP1TdUiFKAOUcZ30nB1rvc6v/ 3WQ/XKVwNQsdc80xikWc =trFx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far.
On 2015-10-04 22:00, Edward Ardzinski wrote: I think I'm going to like Frescobaldi - especially building up the snippets I need... Now to see how long I stay on this version. LOL One (of many) advantages with using Frescobaldi is that you can configure it for multiple versions of Lilypond. Frescobaldi will use the correct one depending on you \version // Anders ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far.
I think I'm going to like Frescobaldi - especially building up the snippets I need... Now to see how long I stay on this version. LOL Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/2-18-2-Thoughts-so-far-tp181962p181992.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far.
I donwloaded and installed Frescobaldi. I'm giving it a test run now, finishing up a piece I'm working on. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/2-18-2-Thoughts-so-far-tp181962p181991.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far.
vi nice if you don't want to use your mouse. It's very fast once you learn it. If you're on Windows using Notepad, try Notepad++ ( https://notepad-plus-plus.org/) But Frescobaldi is the best! (http://frescobaldi.org/) Knute Snortum (via Gmail) On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Edward Ardzinski < edward.ardzin...@outlook.com> wrote: > I've been exposed to vi through work, and really failed to see the "thing" > that fuels the vi fan club. Actually I can't recall the other side of that > turf war, but I know that Notepad is not even a dream in that > conflagration. > > Notepad has it's limitations, but...it's predictable. At least to a boy > like me brought up in windows. I find once I get my "template" together, > that and a repository of useful syntax gets me most of the way there. As > much as I like intellisense, I do remember a day without it. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/2-18-2-Thoughts-so-far-tp181962p181977.html > Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015, Paul Scott wrote: Do yourself a serious favor and learn vi Or Emacs! Oh no .. not a Vi(m) vs Emacs discussion again! Do I see a connection with the average age thread that was here recently? (many 50+ people here) BTW: I use Vim. Not because it's better or worse but because I am used to it. -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.18.2 - Thoughts so far
Paul Scott writes: > On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 07:51:49AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Paul Scott writes: >> >> > On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 10:00:39PM -0400, PMA wrote: >> >> Hear, hear! >> >> >> >> Ivan Kuznetsov wrote: >> >> >Do yourself a serious favor and learn vi >> > >> > Or Emacs! >> >> At the current point of time, I find LilyPond-mode not a convincing case >> for using Emacs. I am using LilyPond-mode in order to use Emacs (as I >> use it for everything, and it's a reasonably good deal when you do >> that), but I don't think I'd be using Emacs in order to use >> LilyPond-mode. >> >> vi is a nice compact skill set to have (basically, you need to learn a >> one-page help sheet or vi will be horrible, but the one page is enough) >> whenever Emacs is not yet booted either on your computer or the user's >> mind. > > I hate a modal editor like vi where I have to remember whether I'm in > edit mode or enter data mode. It's a good tradeoff for touch typists. The farthest you ever need to reach is the Escape key (admittedly a longer reach on many keyboards of today than of vi's creation time) and you don't need to hold down control for extended times which helps with hand strain, these days a rather relevant problem with many prolific programmers. I used vi before Emacs was usefully available and it's a reasonable deal. Nowadays a bit harder to discover since current day vi clones and probably even the original have started to support cursor keys, and not just that, but also support them in insert mode. That kind of muddles the underlying concept where forgetting the mode you were in was not really much of an option since either mode had to rely on the same keys. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
