Re: Generation of Notation Videos with Lilypond Tool Chain

[Noeck]

And one particular link from the examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDOZZzbfL00&index=3&list=PLfRwjd606WZlxRU_kaUPagX3-Uv-SYRMH

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Re: Generation of Notation Videos with Lilypond Tool Chain

[Noeck]

Hi Thomas,

this is cool for playing from screen (if the musician keeps the tempo
exactly). It might be interesting for you to see, what has been done here:
https://github.com/aspiers/ly2video
With some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfRwjd606WZlxRU_kaUPagX3-Uv-SYRMH

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: Changing Staff Size Without Messing Up Fonts

[Urs Liska]

Change staff size first.

HTH

Am 7. März 2016 00:10:57 MEZ, schrieb kwpaprocki :
>Hello, 
>
>I've been having trouble with changing staff size. I've been using
>this: 
>
>#(set-global-staff-size 30)
>
>to change the staff size. When I do the text and notation fonts change
>back
>to the lilypond defaults. How do I keep this from happening? 
>
>Thanks,
>Kris 
>
>
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Generation of Notation Videos with Lilypond Tool Chain

[Dr. Thomas Tensi]

Dear all,


for my practising and stage usage I developped a tiny
toolchain based on lilypond.

Starting from a lilypond file an MP4 video is produced
playing the music (or part of) and showing the score (or
part of) with page turning synchronous to the music. As an
additional aid, a (soft) subtitle shows the current measure
number for orientation.

I use this on a tablet on stage for a duo to have the
background tracks for that band synchronous with the score
for the live instruments.  Of course, only one tablet can be
used like that, because there is no video synchronisation
among several tablets out of the box.

The whole process is described in

http://www.tensi.eu/thomas/iPod/notation-video.html

the appetizer demo video with a BWV 639 rendition can be
found at

https://youtu.be/bqiMfUvmpug

The idea originated in 2006, where I made a tool chain based
on avisynth and on Windows.  Now the 2016 tool chain just
uses lilypond, timidity plus soundfont, ffmpeg and python
(for scripting); those tools should be available on almost
any platform.

A weakness of the approach is that the page turning times
for the score are gained by parsing the Postscript output
file of lilypond.  This approach is fragile and might break
when the font set is changed or whenever lilypond changes
its rendering philosophy.

Another disadvantage is that tempo changes must be supplied
in a separate text file, because they cannot easily be
deduced from rendering data.

Nevertheless I think that this approach might be interesting
for other performing musicians.  One can have a "moving"
score on any device capable of playing MP4 videos without
having to resort to a special software (like e.g. a MIDI
sequencer).

Feel free to comment on the approach; I am always willing to
learn.

   Best regards,

  Thomas

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Changing Staff Size Without Messing Up Fonts

[kwpaprocki]

Hello, 

I've been having trouble with changing staff size. I've been using this: 

#(set-global-staff-size 30)

to change the staff size. When I do the text and notation fonts change back
to the lilypond defaults. How do I keep this from happening? 

Thanks,
Kris 



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Re: Changing Staff Size Without Messing Up Fonts

[tisimst]

Kris,

On Sunday, March 6, 2016, kwpaprocki [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n188190...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been having trouble with changing staff size. I've been using this:
>
> #(set-global-staff-size 30)
>
> to change the staff size. When I do the text and notation fonts change
> back to the lilypond defaults. How do I keep this from happening?
>

That's exactly what happens when you call that command. The only way to get
around it is to put it before pretty much everything else, especially prior
to any command that redefines the fonts.

HTH,
Abraham




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Hyperlink to Metacode

[Konstantin Heuer]

Hi there,


I would like to employ point-and-click on Lilypond-files, 
that are algorithmically generated by means 
of other programming languages.

Is there a way to override the hyperlinks in the pdf-files, 
to make them point to a user defined line and file, 
rather than the actual lilypond-source?


Best regards
Konstantin


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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Carl Sorensen]

On 3/6/16 4:10 PM, "Eric Albert"  wrote:
>
>I see that this font set has several subsets (pardon the wrong language),
>including one ("JazzCord") that appears to map single character codes to
>things such as "-7(b5)". Can this feature be uses with LilyPond? Or is it
>easier to use LilyPond with one character code mapping to a single
>character?
>
>I guess the basic question is: Could I use this font set productively
>with LilyPond? Or should I stick to LilyJazz and LilyJazzText?

It would be possible to use that text font with LilyPond, but it would not
be easy. You can use Unicode characters in LilyPond, and the special
characters are almost certain to have a Unicode representation.  But it is
not likely to be easy for a novice to do.

There may be somebody on the list who is willing to work through this with
you, but it's not really a LilyPond issue, as LilyPond is not likely to be
modified by the current development team to work with a proprietary font.

So my recommendation is to just stick to the available LilyPond fonts.

Carl Sorensen


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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Nathan Ho]

On 2016-03-06 16:10, Nathan Ho wrote:

On 2016-03-06 15:10, Eric Albert wrote:

I've been working from Leigh Verlag's page on faking a Real Book page
in LilyPond (thanks to Kieren for the link):

  http://leighverlag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/mimicking-real-book-look.html

That page answers many of my questions. I still have some font
questions. Please forgive my ignorance of both LilyPond (this is my
first project) and fonts in general (no experience other than changing
fonts inside a Microsoft Word document).

Can I use any jazz character font set with LilyPond? Or is there a
magic order that the symbols need to be in?


Music fonts are not very well standardized. The only layout standard
is SMuFL, which was developed in 2013 -- too new to be used in
LilyPond, Sibelius, or Finale. The consequence is that in general, you
can't take a music font intended for one program and use it in another
because different programs expect different layouts. The Jazz Font
plug won't fit into the LilyPond socket, and you'll have to use an
adaptor.

The Jazz Font website claims compatibility with Sibelius and Finale.
To my knowledge, I don't think anyone has written a LilyPond adaptor
for one of those two formats.


Crap, I completely misread the post. I see you meant using the chord 
symbols.



Nathan

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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Nathan Ho]

On 2016-03-06 15:10, Eric Albert wrote:

I've been working from Leigh Verlag's page on faking a Real Book page
in LilyPond (thanks to Kieren for the link):

  http://leighverlag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/mimicking-real-book-look.html

That page answers many of my questions. I still have some font
questions. Please forgive my ignorance of both LilyPond (this is my
first project) and fonts in general (no experience other than changing
fonts inside a Microsoft Word document).

Can I use any jazz character font set with LilyPond? Or is there a
magic order that the symbols need to be in?


Music fonts are not very well standardized. The only layout standard is 
SMuFL, which was developed in 2013 -- too new to be used in LilyPond, 
Sibelius, or Finale. The consequence is that in general, you can't take 
a music font intended for one program and use it in another because 
different programs expect different layouts. The Jazz Font plug won't 
fit into the LilyPond socket, and you'll have to use an adaptor.


The Jazz Font website claims compatibility with Sibelius and Finale. To 
my knowledge, I don't think anyone has written a LilyPond adaptor for 
one of those two formats.



Nathan

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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 07.03.2016 00:10, Eric Albert wrote:

I like the look of the commercial product JazzFont (to view the complete character sets, click on 
"KEYSTROKES" in the rightmost blue box on the second line of boxes in the top center of 
the page, then click on "Jazzfont for Windows", which is down a bit on the right):

   www.jazzfont.com

I see that this font set has several subsets (pardon the wrong language), including one 
("JazzCord") that appears to map single character codes to things such as 
"-7(b5)". Can this feature be uses with LilyPond?


Yes, but…
You can use the font in \markup {} environments (including lyrics) by 
directly accessing the glyphs or by entering the Unicode codepoints into 
your source file. However, LilyPond’s actual approach to chord notation 
is quite different: There is a \chordmode {} for input, which tries – 
like most things in LilyPond – to give a semantically appropriate 
rendition of the content, i.e. of the individual constituents of a chord 
symbol. The engraving is then assembled from its elements. This has 
great advantages, e.g. you can easily transpose chords, customise the 
looks or use the same input for both notes and chords.
So the idea of having one character for an entire chord symbol, as you 
wrote, is quite alien to a ‘LilyPondish way of thinking’.


HTH, Simon

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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Urs Liska]

There is a difference between *notation* and *text* fonts.

Notation fonts are used for, well, notation, that is note heads, clefs,
articulations etc. (However, there are things like e.g. stems or beams
that are not glyhps from fonts but that are drawn directly by LilyPond).
The notation font also includes *some* textual elements, namely numbers
(for time signatures, fingerings or figured bass) and dynamic letters.
The notation font uses an internal mapping that is specific to LilyPond,
so you can only use a number of notation fonts that are specifically
designed for use with LilyPond (there are some exceptions but I wouldn't
mention them now).

Textual elements are printed using standard text fonts. And if you have
a font that provides complete chord symbols as text characters you can
use them as text elements with \markup.
You will find the relevant information below
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/text

HTH
Urs

Am 07.03.2016 um 00:10 schrieb Eric Albert:
> I've been working from Leigh Verlag's page on faking a Real Book page in 
> LilyPond (thanks to Kieren for the link):
>
>   http://leighverlag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/mimicking-real-book-look.html
>
> That page answers many of my questions. I still have some font questions. 
> Please forgive my ignorance of both LilyPond (this is my first project) and 
> fonts in general (no experience other than changing fonts inside a Microsoft 
> Word document).
>
> Can I use any jazz character font set with LilyPond? Or is there a magic 
> order that the symbols need to be in?
>
> I like the look of the commercial product JazzFont (to view the complete 
> character sets, click on "KEYSTROKES" in the rightmost blue box on the second 
> line of boxes in the top center of the page, then click on "Jazzfont for 
> Windows", which is down a bit on the right):
>
>   www.jazzfont.com
>
> I see that this font set has several subsets (pardon the wrong language), 
> including one ("JazzCord") that appears to map single character codes to 
> things such as "-7(b5)". Can this feature be uses with LilyPond? Or is it 
> easier to use LilyPond with one character code mapping to a single character?
>
> I guess the basic question is: Could I use this font set productively with 
> LilyPond? Or should I stick to LilyJazz and LilyJazzText?
>
> I realize my questions may be incoherent or incomprehensible. My apologies. I 
> just installed by first font (Windows 7 Pro) five minutes ago...
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Eric
>
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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Eric Albert]

I've been working from Leigh Verlag's page on faking a Real Book page in 
LilyPond (thanks to Kieren for the link):

  http://leighverlag.blogspot.ca/2015/12/mimicking-real-book-look.html

That page answers many of my questions. I still have some font questions. 
Please forgive my ignorance of both LilyPond (this is my first project) and 
fonts in general (no experience other than changing fonts inside a Microsoft 
Word document).

Can I use any jazz character font set with LilyPond? Or is there a magic order 
that the symbols need to be in?

I like the look of the commercial product JazzFont (to view the complete 
character sets, click on "KEYSTROKES" in the rightmost blue box on the second 
line of boxes in the top center of the page, then click on "Jazzfont for 
Windows", which is down a bit on the right):

  www.jazzfont.com

I see that this font set has several subsets (pardon the wrong language), 
including one ("JazzCord") that appears to map single character codes to things 
such as "-7(b5)". Can this feature be uses with LilyPond? Or is it easier to 
use LilyPond with one character code mapping to a single character?

I guess the basic question is: Could I use this font set productively with 
LilyPond? Or should I stick to LilyJazz and LilyJazzText?

I realize my questions may be incoherent or incomprehensible. My apologies. I 
just installed by first font (Windows 7 Pro) five minutes ago...

Thanks!

-- Eric


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Re: Extended Helmholtz-Ellis JI PItch Notationn

[Sharon Rosner]

FWIW a fork of Graham's repository now exists as a lyp package:

   https://github.com/noteflakes/lyp-microlily
  

Sharon Rosner



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Extended Helmholtz-Ellis JI PItch Notationn

[Graham Breed]

I now have my Lilypond JI code working with the Extended Helmholtz-Ellis 
Pitch Notation.  This is something I've been putting off for some time 
because it means the function that determines the original accidental 
has to know the original ratio that it refers to.  After the more recent 
discussion here, I decided to use a global list to keep lookups of 
alterations to ratios, and all is well so long as you don't transpose 
anything.


You can get the code from the git repository:

https://bitbucket.org/x31eq/microlily

I have a "don't care" attitude to licensing, which is made explicit in 
the README.  So, if you want to copy any ideas for your code for other 
JI notations, feel free.  The same input code should work for different 
notation systems, as it currently does for different kinds of Sagittal 
and the new Helmholtz-Ellis.



   Graham

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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Sharon Rosner]

> > Try here:  https://github.com/noteflakes/lyp-lilyjazz/
> 
> This is the original font by Torsten Hämmerle.

Yes, and the lilyjazz package README clearly states so.

> Since LilyPond 2.19.12 
> it’s possible to use several notation fonts (including LilyJAZZ) without 
> having to install lyp or similar things.

Of course, but the point of using lyp is not support for custom fonts in
various versions of lilypond but rather ease of installation of said fonts.

Using custom fonts, even post 2.19.12, involves more than soliciting a copy
of the font files by email. Any custom font also needs to be copied into the
lilypond fonts directory, which might be located at any of a number of
possible locations, depending on how lilypond itself was installed. And in
addition there's also the associated .ly file with a bunch of glue code,
which you need to copy around. Not terribly hard, but arguably not the best
way to spend an afternoon, for a lilypond newbie.

Whereas installing with lyp is a matter of doing the following:

1.  install lyp   
2. `lyp install lilypond` (if you don't already have lilypond on your
machine)
3. `lyp install lilyjazz`
4. use it.

Sharon



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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Noeck]

Hi Stan,

*Frescobaldi* etc. have been mentioned. It helps a lot and snippets can
ease the workflow.

When I find midi files, I often (60% of the cases) do this to save me
from entering all music again: *midi2ly* + a lot of search&replace for
durations etc. + serious rewriting of anything that is beyond the
content of one voice. For the other 40% it is faster to enter it by hand.

On a meta-level, it might be interesting to use a version control system
for the ly input files:
http://lilypondblog.org/2014/01/why-use-version-control-for-engraving-scores/
http://lilypondblog.org/2013/09/write-lilypond-code-for-version-control/
This is perhaps not about speed but reliability and control.

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: [OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"

[David Kastrup]

Thomas Morley  writes:

> You both,
>
> please, stop this. Please.
>
> This is a mailing-list about LilyPond coding, isn't?
> Let's stick to coding problems, user-support and the like.

Let's.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: [OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"

[Thomas Morley]

2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup :
> Kieren MacMillan  writes:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>>> I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope
>>> for improvement.
>>
>> If that’s the attitude with which you enter such a conversation, I
>> fear there will be no benefit in contributing my own more optimistic
>> efforts.
>
> Shrug.  I entered "the conversation", namely the discussion thread, by
> providing a fix after an example made it obvious that LilyPond was
> deficient according to my expectations.  You entered the conversation by
> providing a chastisement after my fix made it obvious that I was
> deficient according to your expectations.
>
> It would appear that the attitude with which I entered the conversation
> improved the status quo and yours deteriorated it.
>
> It is easy to predict that this will happen in exactly the same manner
> the next time you choose to enter a conversation for the sole purpose of
> chastising me for not doing enough and/or being nice enough.
>
> So please look for other targets than me for improving people.  Your
> toolbox for that has been proven to be utterly insufficient.  Stick to
> fixing church clocks rather than pocket watches if your tools don't
> scale.
>
> --
> David Kastrup


You both,

please, stop this. Please.

This is a mailing-list about LilyPond coding, isn't?
Let's stick to coding problems, user-support and the like.

-Harm

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Re: [OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Hi David,
>
>> I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope
>> for improvement.
>
> If that’s the attitude with which you enter such a conversation, I
> fear there will be no benefit in contributing my own more optimistic
> efforts.

Shrug.  I entered "the conversation", namely the discussion thread, by
providing a fix after an example made it obvious that LilyPond was
deficient according to my expectations.  You entered the conversation by
providing a chastisement after my fix made it obvious that I was
deficient according to your expectations.

It would appear that the attitude with which I entered the conversation
improved the status quo and yours deteriorated it.

It is easy to predict that this will happen in exactly the same manner
the next time you choose to enter a conversation for the sole purpose of
chastising me for not doing enough and/or being nice enough.

So please look for other targets than me for improving people.  Your
toolbox for that has been proven to be utterly insufficient.  Stick to
fixing church clocks rather than pocket watches if your tools don't
scale.

-- 
David Kastrup

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[OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi David,

> I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope for 
> improvement.

If that’s the attitude with which you enter such a conversation, I fear there 
will be no benefit in contributing my own more optimistic efforts.

Best,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info


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Re: Cadenza writtinh

[Malte Meyn]

Am 06.03.2016 um 17:47 schrieb Malte Meyn:

Am 06.03.2016 um 17:41 schrieb David Kastrup:

Giving the notes graceish looks is a different problem.  Maybe we should
provide the means to create graceish looks without switching to grace
timing, to better facilitate cadenze which are often written in this
manner.  I don't know offhand how to switch to grace note style or
something comparable right now, but hopefully someone else will chip in
here.



Isn’t this what \magnifyMusic is made for? If I understand correctly
this doesn’t only change fontSize (like \tiny and \teeny do) but also
many other things (including horizontal spacing once issue 3990 is fixed?).


Maybe one should add a default argument so that
  \magnifyMusic \default
behaves like
  \magnifyMusic #(magstep -3)
or whatever scaling factor grace notes are smaller than regular ones.

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Re: Cadenza writtinh

[Malte Meyn]

Am 06.03.2016 um 17:41 schrieb David Kastrup:

Giving the notes graceish looks is a different problem.  Maybe we should
provide the means to create graceish looks without switching to grace
timing, to better facilitate cadenze which are often written in this
manner.  I don't know offhand how to switch to grace note style or
something comparable right now, but hopefully someone else will chip in
here.



Isn’t this what \magnifyMusic is made for? If I understand correctly 
this doesn’t only change fontSize (like \tiny and \teeny do) but also 
many other things (including horizontal spacing once issue 3990 is fixed?).


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Re: Cadenza writtinh

[David Kastrup]

Antoon Dekker  writes:

> Hi,I'm trying to describe a candenza in one of the Moment Musiceaux (no 4) of
> Rachmaninoff.The descant bar is written with grace notes and the bass bar
> with cords. How can I align these?
>  I have no
> clue how to deal with this kind of notation. Have anyone a hint for
> me?

Those are not actually grace notes but a cadenza.  You enter it with
\cadenzaOn/\cadenzaOff and have to keep your timing manually (including
having to add manual beams).

Cf 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concerns#aligning-to-cadenzas>

Giving the notes graceish looks is a different problem.  Maybe we should
provide the means to create graceish looks without switching to grace
timing, to better facilitate cadenze which are often written in this
manner.  I don't know offhand how to switch to grace note style or
something comparable right now, but hopefully someone else will chip in
here.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Cadenza writtinh

[Antoon Dekker]

Thank you for your indications! I will try them right away.



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Re: Cadenza writtinh

[Antoon Dekker]

I solved this issue myself by using \tiny and even \teeny size notes instead
of grace notes. In the bass bar I added spaces (s) to fill in the gap.



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Re: Cadenza writtinh

[Malte Meyn]

Am 06.03.2016 um 16:40 schrieb Antoon Dekker:

 I have no
clue how to deal with this kind of notation. Have anyone a hint for
me?Antoon



Some hints: \magnifyMusic for small notes, \cadenzaOn for cadenza 
measure of arbitrary length, \bar "" for possible line breaks, count 
notes and use spacer rests (s16*34 for 34 16ths) in left hand for alignment.


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Re: OT: pagenumber

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> On 04.03.2016 22:53, Blöchl Bernhard wrote:
>
>> A much better solution might be (just as a question/recommendation)
>> not to strain a simple minded user like me with such subtleties.
>
> This is not a ‘subtlety’ but a fundamental design principle; as a
> matter of fact, one cannot make thorough use of LilyPond without
> escaped Scheme expressions.  And IMO it’s better to give an honest and
> clear explanation here, to avoid later confusion.

If we can avoid the confusion by other means at reasonable cost
(explaining ##f every time it is used would not be reasonable), nothing
wrong with redundancy.

However, all suggestions take effort of various kinds to implement.  The
more work someone hoping to see a change invests into outlining this
change (with the optimum being a submitted patch&issue), the better is
the probability that it will be picked up and implemented according to
his plan.

Finding all occurences and proposing exact text replacements would
already be a big help since that "only" requires use of editor and other
tools for a developer rather than his own creativity.

The more vague a proposal is, the less probable it is that someone will
actually act on it.  Of course, the more work one invests, the more
frustrating it might be when _still_ nobody acts on it.  While there are
no guarantees, I continue being impressed at the amount of developers
who actually do pick up documentation suggestions and create patches for
them.

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Cadenza writtinh

[Antoon Dekker]

Hi,I'm trying to describe a candenza in one of the Moment Musiceaux (no 4) of
Rachmaninoff.The descant bar is written with grace notes and the bass bar
with cords. How can I align these?
 I have no
clue how to deal with this kind of notation. Have anyone a hint for
me?Antoon



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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Dear David,
>
> The content of your most recent message would perhaps be more
> appropriate in a private email.
> Feel free to continue corresponding with me off-list, if you feel it
> would be of benefit.

We've been through this in public and private often enough.  I prefer at
least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope for improvement.
That way people can form their own opinions.

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Re: Whiteout box function by Thomas Morley / need help

[Simon Albrecht]

On 06.03.2016 12:16, Karol Majewski wrote:
As for skylines: in a nutshell, skylines are invisible borders. 
Setting them to #'() affects the shape of these borders.


IIUC, it rather removes the skyline, making the grob invisible for 
spacing purposes, doesn’t it?


Best, Simon

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Re: Problems with midi2ly

[Simon Albrecht]

On 05.03.2016 18:37, mark damerell wrote:

3. Lyrics get mangled. To see this, go to

manuals > learning > 3.4.2 Four part SATB

and extract the Handel example. Add

\layout {}
\midi {}

just above the very last  }   which terminates the \score.

Save, say as handel.ly    . Run  lilypond on this. 
The   pdf  looks exactly as it
says in the manual. But run  midi2ly  on the  midi  file. This gives 
handel-midi.ly 
Now run  lilypond  on that file and 3 lines of lyrics have 
disappeared. With more

complicated lyrics, you get error messages about simultaneous lyrics.


midi2ly and other conversion tools are known to be incomplete, so you 
can’t expect such a workflow to return satisfying results in all 
cases/without manual adjustment.
And, for future cases: You are more likely to get help if you actually 
include example files, i.e. in this case the handel.midi and 
handel-midi.ly files as attachments.


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Re: Impossible or ambiguous (de)crescendo in MIDI

[Simon Albrecht]

On 05.03.2016 01:04, Graham King wrote:

On Fri, 2016-03-04 at 13:33 -0600, Cynthia Karl wrote:

> 

I think I understand why these errors are generated. It would appear 
that \fz is not intended to be used as a dynamic - it is not 
mentioned in the NR. Nevertheless, is is defined as a dynamic script 
in the LP file dynamic-scripts-init.ly. Unfortunately, there is no 
corresponding entry in midi.scm to assign a “factor of total volume” 
for this dynamic, without which the midi performer is unable to do 
anything sensible.


It is possible you might get the results you want by rewriting the 
snippet as:


> music = \relative {
> c''2\p\< c |
> \tag #'pdf c1\fz\>
> \tag #'midi c1\f->\>
> c\p |
> }
>
> \score {
> \keepWithTag #'pdf \music
> }
>
> \score {
> \keepWithTag #'midi \music
> \midi {}
> }
>
Good idea; thanks for the suggestion.  I'll give it a try over the 
weekend, once I've worked out the ramifications for other tags in use. 


You’ll want to use
\tagGroup pdf.midi
and other tag groups for those you already are using.

Best, Simon

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Re: OT: pagenumber

[Simon Albrecht]

On 04.03.2016 22:53, Blöchl Bernhard wrote:
But please do not forget that the manual is not addressed to 
programmers in first place but simple minded users like me. As a 
simple minded user I am only just interested how to get it work!


I don’t want LilyPond to be ‘esoteric’, but…

At least I would recommend to move that section above from "appendix" 
to "prefix". That would ease the use of the manual. By practical 
experience I know that no one really reads a manual (or even a section 
of a manual) from beginning to end.


We tell new users that it’s required to read the entire Learning Manual, 
and that’s a good thing, since it will much ease subsequent work with 
LilyPond.




A much better solution might be (just as a question/recommendation) 
not to strain a simple minded user like me

with such subtleties.


This is not a ‘subtlety’ but a fundamental design principle; as a matter 
of fact, one cannot make thorough use of LilyPond without escaped Scheme 
expressions.  And IMO it’s better to give an honest and clear 
explanation here, to avoid later confusion.


Best, Simon

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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Dear David,

The content of your most recent message would perhaps be more appropriate in a 
private email.
Feel free to continue corresponding with me off-list, if you feel it would be 
of benefit.

Otherwise, I repeat both my public thanks for your [impending] fix for this 
bug, and my claim that I think it will be a useful feature.

Best regards,
Kieren.


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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Hi David (et al.),
>
>> Not that you posted _anything_ help- or useful in this thread
>
> Not everything always shows up on the list: I've had almost a dozen
> emails off-line on this exact topic with the OP.

Private conversations do not lead to bugs actually getting fixed or
other list readers benefitting from them.  However helpful you may prove
in off-list communication, it does not entitle you to piss all over me
in public for actually fixing the bug.

I don't know how often we need to have this conversation.  It isn't your
responsibility to manage my communications or my work.

I have been cursed with a lot of talents.  I am _not_ responsible for
doing everybody's work just because "it should be easy for me", and I am
sick to death of the leeches who think they are entitled to have
everything done for them by people who have the misfortune to be more
gifted (where "more gifted" may just be the result of actually giving a
damn) in some real or purely imaginary respect.

I really don't need this "this snotty little bugger may know how to fix
a bug but he needs me to show him his place" attitude in particular.
This is a thankless enough job as it stands.

I don't need lectures about how to graduate in Saint School since I have
not enrolled in the first place.

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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2016-03-06 at 07:46 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 06 Mar 2016 at 12:06:51 (+), Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-03-06 at 09:43 +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, Stan Mulder wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Just wondering how to achieve the best output with supporting programs 
> > > > when
> > > > working with Lilypond. I find Frescobaldi a huge leap forward in using
> > > > Lilypond. Frescobaldi increases productivity many times.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any other programs I should be using to speed the notation 
> > > > process?
> > > 
> > > Also you can use a GUI score editor like Finale, Sibelius, or, if you 
> > > like 
> > > many of us prefer free Open Source software, use MuseScore. Then you can 
> > > export as MusicXML, and then import this in Frescobaldi (uses 
> > > musicxml2ly). I find MuseScore easier/faster for composing and arranging 
> > > music, but frescobaldi/lilypond easier/faster to create publishing 
> > > quality 
> > > good looking scores.
> > 
> > I would be wary of any approach using MusicXML as a conversion format as
> > it is not a format well-suited to representing music notation. (Not as
> > unsuitable as MIDI, but still very poor). People have reported simply
> > being unable to import files due to variations in the interpretation of
> > the MusicXML "standard".
> 
> I wouldn't disagree with you there. However, in _my_ interpretation of
> the OP, I think MusicXML should be able to copy with transporting just
> the note pitches and durations

It indeed should be able, but MusicXML isn't well adapted to the task:
note durations are indicated in multiple ways and there is a timer that
can move backwards to indicate notes that are to be sounded at the same
time as other notes and the resulting spaghetti can be very difficult to
interpret. The result can be nothing read at all, or (as in the case
with Denemo's import at least) empty staffs to be deleted, redundant
time signatures to be deleted, or worse, time signatures to be guessed
and inserted.

>  from one's chosen fastest input method
> into LilyPond files for the actual typesetting.
> 
> Putting this interpretation on the OP, I omitted one of my methods
> which is not a supporting _program_, but none the less a great
> accelerator. My wife arranges music but is LP-illiterate. However, she
> is very proficient at typing LP's pitches and durations, one bar per
> line, and the basic lyrics, with very few mistakes, so that's where I
> get to start from.

That's good if you can combine a musician's and a typist's skills. If
you can play a MIDI instrument then Denemo lets you leverage that skill,
which you may find more pleasant to exercise.

Richard



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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2016-03-06 at 15:12 +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, Richard Shann wrote:
> 
> > Although Denemo is a GUI it can be set up to let you type in music using
> > pretty much the same keystrokes as with a text editor typing LilyPond
> > syntax.
> 
> I have heard many positive things about the power of Denemo. But everytime 
> I decided to give it a try, I soon gave up because I just didn't like the 
> interface
that's a *very* common response - I can see it myself, though I can't
put my finger on it, even the name Denemo appears unattractive to me.
"Rough-Hewn" someone once said. I think if it were in the hands of a
commercial company or a graphic designer it would get a skin written for
it.

>  and wasn't able to find my workflow in it.

yes, you won't find the very work flow you are looking for (unless, like
me you transcribe 18th c. prints for instruments and figured bass using
a MIDI controller), but it has the most (and most easily) customizable
interface of any program I know.

> 
> Personal taste I guess.
> I'm very happy with Gvim, Frescobaldi, and MuseScore and don't need much 
> more options.
> 
> > I would be wary of any approach using MusicXML as a conversion format as
> > it is not a format well-suited to representing music notation. (Not as
> > unsuitable as MIDI, but still very poor).
> 
> I agree that no miracles should be expected from MusicXML. But it has 
> helped me to speed up export from MuseScore to LilyPond in cases when I 
> needed it. And there is still enough room for improving MusicXML support 
> both from/to LilyPond and from/to MuseScore. So the total situation might 
> improve in future.
 "might improve" is scant comfort to someone who has spent hours putting
music into Sibelius, say, only to find that its idea of MusicXML is
unreadable by musicxml2ly. For that reason I have tried to make an
importer for MusicXML in Denemo which always gets the notes, not matter
how much badly written the file. Even so, I have had to hand edit in a
12/8 time signature to the MusicXML output of one of these files to
avoid a ridiculous amount of tidying up. It simply wasn't there.

 By contrast, there is a one-to-one correspondence between the notes,
ornaments, dynamics and so on that you see in Denemo and a bit of
LilyPond syntax that represents it. So, for example if you execute the
Scheme:
(d-Timer 100 "(d-QuickLilyPondPart)")
then every 100 ms Denemo will update the output LilyPond syntax for the
part you are working on, and clicking on Engrave in Frescobaldi will
re-engrave the file that includes it. Not a workflow that I personally
use, but I just tried it out and it works as expected.

Richard










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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi David (et al.),

> Not that you posted _anything_ help- or useful in this thread

Not everything always shows up on the list: I've had almost a dozen emails 
off-line on this exact topic with the OP. I certainly hope they were helpful to 
him.

As for the rest of your comments, I’ll simply use my EULA default and say “I 
agree”.

Regards,
Kieren.


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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[Werner LEMBERG]

> Yes, that's about par for the course.  You fix a bug and get three
> lines of condescension for it and half a line of "thank you", and
> I'm sure that you consider this completely appropriate.

Uh, oh, that's unwarranted IMHO, but...

> I am not going to waste all my time second-guessing people who are
> too lazy to post anything but handwaving.  That tends to end up in
> 5 iterations of "yes, that works but it was not what I mean.  Try
> again".

... this I fully second.  Being the maintainer of FreeType, I won't
start debugging and fixing even a glaring bug if I don't get an
appropriate example or an exact recipe that I can reproduce.


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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, David Wright wrote:


Putting this interpretation on the OP, I omitted one of my methods
which is not a supporting _program_, but none the less a great
accelerator.


I would like to add: IMO the biggest speed accelerator is creating lots 
and lots of different scores with whatever tool you prefer. Anything you 
do often will improve your skills using that particular tool and your 
production speed will increase dramatically.


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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Hi all,
>
>> Now that I've been able to check
>
> You were unable [!?] to check it yourself without someone else giving
> you a working example?
> I find that hard to imagine… Your coding skills are excellent.

I am not going to waste all my time second-guessing people who are too
lazy to post anything but handwaving.  That tends to end up in
5 iterations of "yes, that works but it was not what I mean.  Try again".

>> I've created a fix.
>
> Thanks. It will be a useful feature.

Yes, that's about par for the course.  You fix a bug and get three lines
of condescension for it and half a line of "thank you", and I'm sure
that you consider this completely appropriate.

The ratio gets worse when there is nothing to fix to start with.  And
you wonder why one does no longer bother running after people who do not
do their homework.

Not that you posted _anything_ help- or useful in this thread, but I'm
sure that you consider yourself the good guy for your contribution, and
me the bad guy for mine.

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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, Richard Shann wrote:


Although Denemo is a GUI it can be set up to let you type in music using
pretty much the same keystrokes as with a text editor typing LilyPond
syntax.


I have heard many positive things about the power of Denemo. But everytime 
I decided to give it a try, I soon gave up because I just didn't like the 
interface and wasn't able to find my workflow in it.


Personal taste I guess.
I'm very happy with Gvim, Frescobaldi, and MuseScore and don't need much 
more options.



I would be wary of any approach using MusicXML as a conversion format as
it is not a format well-suited to representing music notation. (Not as
unsuitable as MIDI, but still very poor).


I agree that no miracles should be expected from MusicXML. But it has 
helped me to speed up export from MuseScore to LilyPond in cases when I 
needed it. And there is still enough room for improving MusicXML support 
both from/to LilyPond and from/to MuseScore. So the total situation might 
improve in future. But that's a different topic.


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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

> Now that I've been able to check

You were unable [!?] to check it yourself without someone else giving you a 
working example?
I find that hard to imagine… Your coding skills are excellent.

> I've created a fix.

Thanks. It will be a useful feature.

Regards,
Kieren.



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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[David Wright]

On Sun 06 Mar 2016 at 12:06:51 (+), Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-03-06 at 09:43 +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, Stan Mulder wrote:
> > 
> > > Just wondering how to achieve the best output with supporting programs 
> > > when
> > > working with Lilypond. I find Frescobaldi a huge leap forward in using
> > > Lilypond. Frescobaldi increases productivity many times.
> > >
> > > Are there any other programs I should be using to speed the notation 
> > > process?
> > 
> > Also you can use a GUI score editor like Finale, Sibelius, or, if you like 
> > many of us prefer free Open Source software, use MuseScore. Then you can 
> > export as MusicXML, and then import this in Frescobaldi (uses 
> > musicxml2ly). I find MuseScore easier/faster for composing and arranging 
> > music, but frescobaldi/lilypond easier/faster to create publishing quality 
> > good looking scores.
> 
> I would be wary of any approach using MusicXML as a conversion format as
> it is not a format well-suited to representing music notation. (Not as
> unsuitable as MIDI, but still very poor). People have reported simply
> being unable to import files due to variations in the interpretation of
> the MusicXML "standard".

I wouldn't disagree with you there. However, in _my_ interpretation of
the OP, I think MusicXML should be able to copy with transporting just
the note pitches and durations from one's chosen fastest input method
into LilyPond files for the actual typesetting.

Putting this interpretation on the OP, I omitted one of my methods
which is not a supporting _program_, but none the less a great
accelerator. My wife arranges music but is LP-illiterate. However, she
is very proficient at typing LP's pitches and durations, one bar per
line, and the basic lyrics, with very few mistakes, so that's where I
get to start from.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Position title

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Peter,

> Does this also work in version version "2.18.2”?

I believe so. (I don’t have that version to check against.)

> Where do i place the " \new Devnull s1" in this score?:

You don’t need that in your score; I just needed that to trigger the titling 
routine.

Hope that helps,
Kieren.


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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2016-03-06 at 09:43 +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, Stan Mulder wrote:
> 
> > Just wondering how to achieve the best output with supporting programs when
> > working with Lilypond. I find Frescobaldi a huge leap forward in using
> > Lilypond. Frescobaldi increases productivity many times.
> >
> > Are there any other programs I should be using to speed the notation 
> > process?
> 
> To speed up things some people prefer "more" others prefer "less".
> 
> The "less" method: Use a spartanic but superfast texteditor like vim/gvim 
> or emacs. Especially experienced editor users, often geeky programmers, 
> find this the fastest way
> 
> The "more" method: You already experienced the joy of using Frescobaldi.
> Denemo is another GUI based program to create Lilypond scores.

Although Denemo is a GUI it can be set up to let you type in music using
pretty much the same keystrokes as with a text editor typing LilyPond
syntax. So you get the same speed as typing but can see the notes
typeset as you enter them. What is not widely known by the followers of
this list is that Denemo allows you to generate the raw LilyPond music
for each movement and for each part as LilyPond syntax into separate
files using a single keystroke. This means that you can use \include
commands to work with the LilyPond syntax in Frescobaldi for everything
other than the raw music data while keeping a typeset view for the
actual notes, marks etc.

> 
> Also you can use a GUI score editor like Finale, Sibelius, or, if you like 
> many of us prefer free Open Source software, use MuseScore. Then you can 
> export as MusicXML, and then import this in Frescobaldi (uses 
> musicxml2ly). I find MuseScore easier/faster for composing and arranging 
> music, but frescobaldi/lilypond easier/faster to create publishing quality 
> good looking scores.

I would be wary of any approach using MusicXML as a conversion format as
it is not a format well-suited to representing music notation. (Not as
unsuitable as MIDI, but still very poor). People have reported simply
being unable to import files due to variations in the interpretation of
the MusicXML "standard".

In any case, ex-users of Sibelius have told me that Denemo is many times
quicker for entering music ... OTOH, another ex user of the very same
program told me that "it is not apparent how to change the pitch of a
note" in Denemo (answer: you press the new note name a,b,c..) so it does
depend on your temperament.

Richard






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Re: note stem problem

[BB]

Thanks a lot! Thats what I wanted but did wrong.

Regards

On 06.03.2016 12:56, Karol Majewski wrote:

\version "2.19.0"
  \relative c {
\key c \major
   \clef "bass_8"
   r4 bes, bes'8[ e,] (e) g, }



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Re: note stem problem

[Karol Majewski]

  
  
You should put the first bracket _after_ the first note:
 
\version "2.19.0"  \relative c {        \key c \major   \clef "bass_8"   r4 bes, bes'8[ e,] (e) g, }
 
--Karol



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Re: note stem problem

[BB]

I do not completely understand. My interpretation is, that lilypnd is 
deling the


[ bes'8 e,] as a quarter note? I used the square brackets to separate 
the group from the other two notes


(e) g,

Without the brackets I get it grouped different - for me that does not 
look nice, but I can live with   \relative c { \key c \major
\clef "bass_8"r4 bes, bes'8 e, (e) g, } An alternative might  be:
r4 bes, bes'8 e,4 g, } Thank you!

On 06.03.2016 12:30, Karol Majewski wrote:


Hmmm... you can't beam quarter note with eight note since quarter note 
doesn't have a beam.


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Re: note stem problem

[Karol Majewski]

  
  
Hmmm... you can't beam quarter note with eight note since quarter note doesn't have a beam.
 



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note stem problem

[BB]

I get the warning that the note stem does not fit ... in german:
Warnung: Notenhals passt nicht in Balken

Please check it for warning in other languages:
\version "2.19.0"
  \relative c {
\key c \major
   \clef "bass_8"
   r4 bes, [bes'8 e,] (e) g, }

Is this a known issue or should be thrown a bug report?
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Re: Whiteout box function by Thomas Morley / need help

[Karol Majewski]

Hi Andrew,
 
basically, this function allows to adjust the size of the whiteout box. It is especially useful in handling DynamicText-SpanBar collisions. Read the whole topic here:
 
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Whiteout-box-function-by-Thomas-Morley-need-help-td161262.html
 
As for skylines: in a nutshell, skylines are invisible borders. Setting them to #'() affects the shape of these borders.
 
--Karol



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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[David Kastrup]

Andrew Bernard  writes:

> Thank you very much David.
>
> Just confirming – this usage is not expected to work in versions below
> 2.19.38?

In my book, it is expected to work but it fails to meet expectations.
Whether 2.19.38 will be better depends on whether the fix makes it in
before 2.19.38 gets released.  2.19.39 should be a reasonably safe
bet...

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Whiteout box function by Thomas Morley / need help

[Andrew Bernard]

HI Karol,

Is there any introductory or tutorial material anywhere about vertical 
skylines, and horizontal? I confess I really have very little comprehension of 
this aspect of ilypond. [My perhaps myopic reading of the NR does not enlighten 
me.]

Why does that setting do the job? What is its function?

Andrew



On 6/03/2016, 20:55, "Karol Majewski" 
 wrote:

OK, it seems that \override DynamicLineSpanner.vertical-skylines = #'() does 
the job.

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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[Andrew Bernard]

Thank you very much David.

Just confirming – this usage is not expected to work in versions below 2.19.38?

Andrew



On 6/03/2016, 20:52, "David Kastrup"  wrote:

 I've created a fix.

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Re: Whiteout box function by Thomas Morley / need help

[Karol Majewski]

OK, it seems that \override DynamicLineSpanner.vertical-skylines = #'() does the job.
 

There is an issue with DynamicText placed at the end of hairpin.
 
If DynamicText is placed after the end of hairpin and some extraWhiteout is added to the left of DynamicText then the whole DynamicText is shifted to the right.
 
I want DynamicText to stay centered below note. Any suggestions are appreciated.
 
Here's an example:
 
BEGIN
 
moreWhiteout =#(define-music-function (parser location adds item)(pair? symbol-list-or-music?)  (define more-stencil-whiteout    (lambda (grob)  (let* ((function (assoc-get 'stencil    (reverse (ly:grob-basic-properties grob (stil   (if (and (procedure? function)    (not (eq? (procedure-name function)  'more-stencil-whiteout)))   (function grob)   (begin (ly:warning "~a has no stencil. Ignoring" grob) 
#f    (if stil    (let*((x-ext (ly:stencil-extent stil X))  (y-ext (ly:stencil-extent stil Y))  (add-to-x-ext (if (pair? (car adds)) (car adds) adds))  (add-to-y-ext (if (pair? (cdr adds)) (cadr adds) '(0 . 0)))  ;(self-alignment-X (ly:grob-property grob 'self-alignment-X))  (new-stil    (ly:make-stencil   (ly:stencil-expr stil)   (offset-add x-ext add-to-x-ext)   (offset-add y-ext add-to-y-ext  ;(display self-alignment-X)  (if (grob::has-interface grob 'dynamic-text-interface)  (let* ((new-stencil-length   (interval-length (ly:stencil-extent new-stil X))) 
(orig-stencil-length   (interval-length (ly:stencil-extent stil X    (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'self-alignment-X  (if (not (= 0 (- new-stencil-length orig-stencil-length)))  (/ (- (- new-stencil-length (cdr add-to-x-ext))    (+ orig-stencil-length (cdr add-to-x-ext))) new-stencil-length)  0  new-stil)    #f  #{    \tweak layer #10    \tweak whiteout ##t    \tweak stencil #more-stencil-whiteout 
#item  #})% EXAMPLE%%%\layout {  \override DynamicText.extra-spacing-width = #'(+inf.0 . -inf.0)}musicI = { \time 2/4 \repeat unfold 16 b8 }musicII = {  r2  b4 -\moreWhiteout #'((-2 . 0.5)(0 . 0)) ^"XX" -\moreWhiteout #'(0 . 4) ^"YY"  b  r ^\<  r  b4 -\moreWhiteout #'((-6 . 0) (-1 . 1)) 
^\"pp" b}\new StaffGroup <<  \new Staff \relative c'' \musicI  \new Staff \relative c'' \musicII>>
 
END==





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Re: Put text spanner below the staff?

[David Kastrup]

Andrew Bernard  writes:

> Hi David,
>
> The following use of ‘_’ to place the text spanner down has no
> effect. What is incorrect here? You are saying using ‘_’ and ‘^’
> affect text spanners, are you not?
>
> Andrew
>
> — snip
>
> \version "2.19.37"
>
> {
>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "left"
>   \override TextSpanner.bound-details.right.text = "right"
>
>   c''4_\startTextSpan c'' c'' c''
>   c''1 \stopTextSpan
> }

That example is almost correct, apart from the \version line.  It needs
to be at least 2.19.38.

Assuming that this version will already contain the patch

Current branch: issue4785
Tracker issue: 4785 (https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4785/)
Rietveld issue: 293730043 (https://codereview.appspot.com/293730043)
Issue description:
  Let TextSpanner inherit any direction set in event  Something like
  c_\startTextSpan should create a TextSpanner below the system.

In other words: this should have worked but didn't.  Without a testable
example in all of the thread, I was not going to bother with checking.
Now that I've been able to check, I've created a fix.


-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Use jazz fonts in LilyPond?

[Malte Meyn]

Am 05.03.2016 um 23:40 schrieb Sharon Rosner:

Where do one get hold of these alternative fonts for Lilypond?


Try here:  https://github.com/noteflakes/lyp-lilyjazz/


This is the original font by Torsten Hämmerle. Since LilyPond 2.19.12 
it’s possible to use several notation fonts (including LilyJAZZ) without 
having to install lyp or similar things. These fonts could be found on 
fonts.openlilylib.org and are maintained and updated by Abraham Lee (and 
others?). Currently this site is moving but I’ll send the font files to you.


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Re: Best support programs for Lilypond

[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016, Stan Mulder wrote:


Just wondering how to achieve the best output with supporting programs when
working with Lilypond. I find Frescobaldi a huge leap forward in using
Lilypond. Frescobaldi increases productivity many times.

Are there any other programs I should be using to speed the notation process?


To speed up things some people prefer "more" others prefer "less".

The "less" method: Use a spartanic but superfast texteditor like vim/gvim 
or emacs. Especially experienced editor users, often geeky programmers, 
find this the fastest way


The "more" method: You already experienced the joy of using Frescobaldi.
Denemo is another GUI based program to create Lilypond scores.

Also you can use a GUI score editor like Finale, Sibelius, or, if you like 
many of us prefer free Open Source software, use MuseScore. Then you can 
export as MusicXML, and then import this in Frescobaldi (uses 
musicxml2ly). I find MuseScore easier/faster for composing and arranging 
music, but frescobaldi/lilypond easier/faster to create publishing quality 
good looking scores.


--

MT


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