2 \tempo command at the same time

[Anton Curl]

Hi everyone!

I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once 
in the score, like a tempo mark.


I found this syntax:
  \tempo \markup { "swing" }
But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
  \tempo 4=125
  \tempo \markup { "swing" }
  c

And Lilypond ignore the second.

What do I have to do to display both indications?

Thanks

Anton Curl

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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Craig Dabelstein]

Hi Anton,

Can't you do:

\tempo "Swing" 4=125

Or is that not what you are looking for?

Craig


On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
> in the score, like a tempo mark.
>
> I found this syntax:
>\tempo \markup { "swing" }
> But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
>\tempo 4=125
>\tempo \markup { "swing" }
>c
>
> And Lilypond ignore the second.
>
> What do I have to do to display both indications?
>
> Thanks
>
> Anton Curl
>
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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Anton Curl]

That's not exactly what I want.

"\tempo "Swing" 4=125" seems to mean "the tempo is Swing which 
correspond to 4=125". Whereas what I want is 2 different independent 
indications. The same result but without the parenthesis for example.


Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I 
didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and in 
each part.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:

Hi Anton,

Can't you do:

\tempo "Swing" 4=125

Or is that not what you are looking for?

Craig


On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl > wrote:


Hi everyone!

I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
in the score, like a tempo mark.

I found this syntax:
   \tempo \markup { "swing" }
But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
   \tempo 4=125
   \tempo \markup { "swing" }
   c

And Lilypond ignore the second.

What do I have to do to display both indications?

Thanks

Anton Curl

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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Cynthia Karl]

> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:03:10 +0100
> From: Anton Curl 
> To: Craig Dabelstein ,
>   lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time
> 
> That's not exactly what I want.
> 
> "\tempo "Swing" 4=125" seems to mean "the tempo is Swing which 
> correspond to 4=125". Whereas what I want is 2 different independent 
> indications. The same result but without the parenthesis for example.
> 
> Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I 
> didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and in 
> each part.

I think you're looking for the \mark command, which does exactly what you're 
looking for, once in the score and in each part:

<<
\new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 "swing" 
} c d e f }
\new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 "swing" 
} f e d c }
>>



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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Anton Curl]

Yes that's it!

Thanks!

On 20/03/2015 13:29, Cynthia Karl wrote:

I think you're looking for the \mark command, which does exactly what you're 
looking for, once in the score and in each part:

<<
 \new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 
"swing" } c d e f }
 \new Staff \relative c'' { \tempo 4=120 \mark \markup { \hspace #30 
"swing" } f e d c }




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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Paul Scott]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:59:27AM +0100, Anton Curl wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once in
> the score, like a tempo mark.
> 
> I found this syntax:
>   \tempo \markup { "swing" }
> But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
>   \tempo 4=125
>   \tempo \markup { "swing" }
>   c
> 
> And Lilypond ignore the second.
> 
> What do I have to do to display both indications?


   \tempo \markup { "swing" } 4=125
   c

HTH

Paul Scott



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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Robert Schmaus]

If you're producing a jazz lead sheet (as the "swing" indicates), you're wrong. 

\tempo "Swing" 4=125

Merely indicates that the *style* is Swing while the tempo is 125. You could 
also write 
\tempo "Swing" 4=200
Which would indicate that this is a swing piece of tempo 200. 

Jazz tempo indications don't work like classical ones where a tempo name also 
implies a certain (narrow) range of bpm. 

Best, Rob 

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> On 20 Mar 2015, at 10:03, Anton Curl  wrote:
> 
> That's not exactly what I want.
> 
> "\tempo "Swing" 4=125" seems to mean "the tempo is Swing which correspond to 
> 4=125". Whereas what I want is 2 different independent indications. The same 
> result but without the parenthesis for example.
> 
> Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I didn't 
> find another way to have an indication once in the score and in each part.
> 
> Anton Curl
> 
>> On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:
>> Hi Anton,
>> 
>> Can't you do:
>> 
>> \tempo "Swing" 4=125
>> 
>> Or is that not what you are looking for?
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl  wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> 
>>> I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
>>> in the score, like a tempo mark.
>>> 
>>> I found this syntax:
>>>\tempo \markup { "swing" }
>>> But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
>>>\tempo 4=125
>>>\tempo \markup { "swing" }
>>>c
>>> 
>>> And Lilypond ignore the second.
>>> 
>>> What do I have to do to display both indications?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Anton Curl
>>> 
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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Anton Curl]

I don't know much about jazz. It's not the kind of music I'm usually 
typesetting.


I never saw a jazz lead sheet with swing written followed by the 
metronome mark between brackets. If it's the policy, I can adopt it. But 
I'm curious to see some examples of it.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 14:36, Robert Schmaus wrote:
If you're producing a jazz lead sheet (as the "swing" indicates), 
you're wrong.


\tempo "Swing" 4=125

Merely indicates that the *style* is Swing while the tempo is 125. You 
could also write

\tempo "Swing" 4=200
Which would indicate that this is a swing piece of tempo 200.

Jazz tempo indications don't work like classical ones where a tempo 
name also implies a certain (narrow) range of bpm.


Best, Rob

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Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's 
digested, and I've been reading all my life.

-- /Giorgos Seferis/

On 20 Mar 2015, at 10:03, Anton Curl > wrote:



That's not exactly what I want.

"\tempo "Swing" 4=125" seems to mean "the tempo is Swing which 
correspond to 4=125". Whereas what I want is 2 different independent 
indications. The same result but without the parenthesis for example.


Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But 
I didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and 
in each part.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:

Hi Anton,

Can't you do:

\tempo "Swing" 4=125

Or is that not what you are looking for?

Craig


On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl > wrote:


Hi everyone!

I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but
only once
in the score, like a tempo mark.

I found this syntax:
   \tempo \markup { "swing" }
But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
   \tempo 4=125
   \tempo \markup { "swing" }
   c

And Lilypond ignore the second.

What do I have to do to display both indications?

Thanks

Anton Curl

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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Robert Schmaus]

Well you *can* do that (and I've seen it done that way), but often - the music 
being improvised anyway - you don't really have a tempo indication, except for 
Swing, Med. Swing, Uptempo Swing, Ballad etc., and those are just suggestions 
or show how the piece was played in a referenced recording. That's, if we're 
talking about a lead sheet - look into a "Real Book" for examples.

If it's orchestral music (eg Big Band), the score probably contains more exact 
tempo values (which my Big Band conductor usually ignores ...). 



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> On 20 Mar 2015, at 14:55, Anton Curl  wrote:
> 
> I don't know much about jazz. It's not the kind of music I'm usually 
> typesetting.
> 
> I never saw a jazz lead sheet with swing written followed by the metronome 
> mark between brackets. If it's the policy, I can adopt it. But I'm curious to 
> see some examples of it.
> 
> Anton Curl
> 
>> On 20/03/2015 14:36, Robert Schmaus wrote:
>> If you're producing a jazz lead sheet (as the "swing" indicates), you're 
>> wrong. 
>> 
>> \tempo "Swing" 4=125
>> 
>> Merely indicates that the *style* is Swing while the tempo is 125. You could 
>> also write 
>> \tempo "Swing" 4=200
>> Which would indicate that this is a swing piece of tempo 200. 
>> 
>> Jazz tempo indications don't work like classical ones where a tempo name 
>> also implies a certain (narrow) range of bpm. 
>> 
>> Best, Rob 
>> 
>> __
>> 
>> Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs 
>> he's digested, and I've been reading all my life. 
>> -- Giorgos Seferis
>> 
>> On 20 Mar 2015, at 10:03, Anton Curl  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's not exactly what I want.
>>> 
>>> "\tempo "Swing" 4=125" seems to mean "the tempo is Swing which correspond 
>>> to 4=125". Whereas what I want is 2 different independent indications. The 
>>> same result but without the parenthesis for example.
>>> 
>>> Maybe the \tempo command is not the command to use in this case. But I 
>>> didn't find another way to have an indication once in the score and in each 
>>> part.
>>> 
>>> Anton Curl
>>> 
 On 20/03/2015 09:36, Craig Dabelstein wrote:
 Hi Anton,
 
 Can't you do:
 
 \tempo "Swing" 4=125
 
 Or is that not what you are looking for?
 
 Craig
 
 
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 at 17:59 Anton Curl  wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I'd like to put an indication displayed in all the parts but only once
> in the score, like a tempo mark.
> 
> I found this syntax:
>\tempo \markup { "swing" }
> But at the same place in the score, I already have a \tempo command:
>\tempo 4=125
>\tempo \markup { "swing" }
>c
> 
> And Lilypond ignore the second.
> 
> What do I have to do to display both indications?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Anton Curl
> 
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Re: 2 \tempo command at the same time

[Anton Curl]

In fact I'm transcribing a jazz song for classical musicians. There are 
tempo changes and also a passage without swing.


So I prefer to stay relatively accurate in the indications and avoid any 
confusion.


Anton Curl

On 20/03/2015 15:20, Robert Schmaus wrote:
Well you *can* do that (and I've seen it done that way), but often - 
the music being improvised anyway - you don't really have a tempo 
indication, except for Swing, Med. Swing, Uptempo Swing, Ballad etc., 
and those are just suggestions or show how the piece was played in a 
referenced recording. That's, if we're talking about a lead sheet - 
look into a "Real Book" for examples.


If it's orchestral music (eg Big Band), the score probably contains 
more exact tempo values (which my Big Band conductor usually ignores 
...).




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digested, and I've been reading all my life.

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