RE: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

2010-12-10 Thread James Lowe
Hello,

I am not sure if you are aware of this website

http://www.diamm.ac.uk/index.html

It contains very high resolution digital images of mensural music. You do need 
to register (free) but some of the images there are beautiful.

James


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Subject: Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
 
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 +
Owain Sutton  wrote:

> On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> > I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note 
> > (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
> > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> > 
> > From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the 
> > same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the 
> > right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more 
> > pictures or versions.
> > 
> > Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please 
> > let me know :)
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Nils
> 
> 
> Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea 
> of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which source is 
> it?

If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image 
search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these 
things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual 
Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation)

Nils 

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Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

2010-12-10 Thread Michael Ellis
It appears to be the opening Kyrie of the Josquin's Missa Beata Virgine, ca
1510.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Josquin_Missa_BV_Kyrie.jpg

I believe music printing was a thriving enterprise by then, so it's unlikely
to be (completely) hand scribed.

Cheers,
Mike


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Nils Gey  wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 +
> Owain Sutton  wrote:
>
> > On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> > > I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final
> note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different
> version)
> > > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> > >
> > > From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates
> the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the
> right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more
> pictures or versions.
> > >
> > > Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols
> please let me know :)
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Nils
> >
> >
> > Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some
> idea of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which
> source is it?
>
> If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image
> search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these
> things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the
> usual Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation)
>
> Nils
>
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Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

2010-12-10 Thread Nils Gey
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 +
Owain Sutton  wrote:

> On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> > I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note 
> > (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
> > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> > 
> > From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the 
> > same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the 
> > right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more 
> > pictures or versions.
> > 
> > Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please 
> > let me know :)
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Nils
> 
> 
> Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea 
> of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which source is 
> it?

If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image 
search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these 
things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual 
Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation)

Nils 

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Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

2010-12-10 Thread Owain Sutton
On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note 
> (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
> http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> 
> From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the 
> same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the 
> right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> 
> Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more 
> pictures or versions.
> 
> Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let 
> me know :)
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Nils


Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea of 
how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which source is it?

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