Re: scoop before note
Chip wrote: but no matter what numbers I put in the positions parameters the slur does not move. The \once makes this override act only on the c'2 and the c'2 has no slur. The override acts on the slur if it comes after the c'2, but it moves the slur vertically; not what you wanted. How about: \relative c { c'2 \once \override Slur #'extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) \hideNotes \grace c8( \unHideNotes f4) g8 a } Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scoop before note
In all my years of playing jazz I've never seen a scoop placed above a note. I was messing about with using a \relative c { \once \override Slur #'positions = #'(-7 . -7) c'2 \hideNotes \grace c8( \unHideNotes f4) g8 a } but no matter what numbers I put in the positions parameters the slur does not move. Obviously -7 is way off, but doesn't matter, they have no effect. I wanted to see how such a thing would look, it anything like a scoop - the gracenote would be hidden but the slur would be left visible. The move the slur slightly left so the right end is just to the left of the notehead. -- Chip Robin Bannister wrote: Lewis Overton wrote: I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" I have an occasional need for this when transposing saxophone parts, and then I use brackettips as you do/did [1]. I first did such bends in a clumsy beginners way and had to put the brackettips in a dedicated auxiliary voice.It was cumbersome to set up but obediently predictable, which was in contrast to my frustrating attempts trying to tame \bendAfter.I never perservered with bendAfter; there was no corresponding bendBefore, and it is important to have the same style for all bends. But my lowlevel Lilypond has improved, and I recently had another go, which turned out a lot simpler, especially the scoop: 2.12 #(define (scoop-stencil grob) (ly:stencil-combine-at-edge (ly:note-head::print grob) 0 -1 (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup #:with-dimensions '(0 . 0) '(0 . 0) #:translate '( -2 . -2) #:musicglyph "brackettips.up" )) 0 0 )) scoop = \once \override NoteHead #'stencil = #scoop-stencil The key to this approach is the zero with-dimensions. It is of course a trick which lets notehead and stem stay together. And since it invites collisions, it may well be condemned by layout purists. But IMO it works well for the saxophone parts. It leaves the notecolumn spacing undisturbed; this is in keeping with my perception of these bends as articulations, i.e. lightweight qualifications. Collisions are fairly rare, mainly because the sax doesn't do chords, but also because these bends occur mostly on quarter and half notes; for beamed eighths I have a fixed override for widening the preceding stem. And the scoops are more or less below any accidentals. Cheers, Robin [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-04/msg00123.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scoop before note
Lewis Overton wrote: I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" I have an occasional need for this when transposing saxophone parts, and then I use brackettips as you do/did [1]. I first did such bends in a clumsy beginners way and had to put the brackettips in a dedicated auxiliary voice. It was cumbersome to set up but obediently predictable, which was in contrast to my frustrating attempts trying to tame \bendAfter. I never perservered with bendAfter; there was no corresponding bendBefore, and it is important to have the same style for all bends. But my lowlevel Lilypond has improved, and I recently had another go, which turned out a lot simpler, especially the scoop: 2.12 #(define (scoop-stencil grob) (ly:stencil-combine-at-edge (ly:note-head::print grob) 0 -1 (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup #:with-dimensions '(0 . 0) '(0 . 0) #:translate '( -2 . -2) #:musicglyph "brackettips.up" )) 0 0 )) scoop = \once \override NoteHead #'stencil = #scoop-stencil The key to this approach is the zero with-dimensions. It is of course a trick which lets notehead and stem stay together. And since it invites collisions, it may well be condemned by layout purists. But IMO it works well for the saxophone parts. It leaves the notecolumn spacing undisturbed; this is in keeping with my perception of these bends as articulations, i.e. lightweight qualifications. Collisions are fairly rare, mainly because the sax doesn't do chords, but also because these bends occur mostly on quarter and half notes; for beamed eighths I have a fixed override for widening the preceding stem. And the scoops are more or less below any accidentals. Cheers, Robin [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-04/msg00123.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scoop before note
Op maandag 08 juni 2009, schreef Lewis Overton: > I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" -- a curved > gliss into a note with no particular starting note I sometimes use something like this for Bach music: a hidden appoggiatura that leaves the slur visible (and manipulate that slur a bit) scoop = #(define-music-function (parser location note) (ly:music?) #{ \once \override Slur #'extra-offset = #'(-.8 . 1.5) \once \override Slur #'rotation = #'(-10 0 0) \hideNotes \appoggiatura $note \unHideNotes #}) \relative c'' { g4 \scoop f e f2 } This scoop function needs a note that is used to place a hidden appoggiatura. See the attached png example. best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ <>___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scoop before note
Actually it would be nice to have fixed glyphs for scoops, falls and doits, handled as articulation maybe. This bendAfter thing will always be trial and error, even for falls and doits. Lewis, if you have printed examples of the three cases you could make a high-resolution scan and make a feature request for those. Original-Nachricht > Datum: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:02:29 -0700 > Von: chip > An: Kieren MacMillan > CC: Lewis Overton , lilypond-user@gnu.org > Betreff: Re: scoop before note > Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > Hi Lewy, > > > >> I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" > > > > I'm not using them at all... but have you tried directly manipulating > > a BendAfter grob? > > > > \version "2.12" > > scoopMusic = \relative > > { > > \override BendAfter #'rotation = #'(-45 -4 3) > > \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'shortest-duration-space = #4.0 > > c-\bendAfter #8 > > } > > \score { \scoopMusic } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Kieren. > That works in a rather kludgy way. I've been playing with the numbers > trying to get it to look just right. Takes a lot of trial and error to > get it close, but not 'right'. Adding a note before the tweak requires > refiguring the numbers, lots of trial and error involved in getting it > in the correct position. That is an articulation that I would like to > see work correctly and added to lilypond, wouldn't it be just the > opposite of the \bendafter articulation? But my guess is it's not going > to be that simple. > -- > Chip > > > > > > ___ > > lilypond-user mailing list > > lilypond-user@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > > > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scoop before note
Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Lewy, I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" I'm not using them at all... but have you tried directly manipulating a BendAfter grob? \version "2.12" scoopMusic = \relative { \override BendAfter #'rotation = #'(-45 -4 3) \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'shortest-duration-space = #4.0 c-\bendAfter #8 } \score { \scoopMusic } Hope this helps! Kieren. That works in a rather kludgy way. I've been playing with the numbers trying to get it to look just right. Takes a lot of trial and error to get it close, but not 'right'. Adding a note before the tweak requires refiguring the numbers, lots of trial and error involved in getting it in the correct position. That is an articulation that I would like to see work correctly and added to lilypond, wouldn't it be just the opposite of the \bendafter articulation? But my guess is it's not going to be that simple. -- Chip ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: scoop before note
Hi Lewy, I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" I'm not using them at all... but have you tried directly manipulating a BendAfter grob? \version "2.12" scoopMusic = \relative { \override BendAfter #'rotation = #'(-45 -4 3) \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'shortest-duration-space = #4.0 c-\bendAfter #8 } \score { \scoopMusic } Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
scoop before note
I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" -- a curved gliss into a note with no particular starting note. It's common in jazz and occasionally in more modern band and orchestra music, especially show music. It looks like a "doit" but comes before and leads into a note. I've seen several attempts at this, but nothing I've tried seems to work. I'm a trombone player, so I see these things often. Falls and doits are under control, but scoops still elude me. Lewy ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user