TAU lectures, BG Airport departures/arrivals, Kupat Holim lab results -- Linux
There was some discussion here not long ago about the tendency of Israeli website owners to ignore issues of access by users of non-Microsoft browsers, and there seemed then to be a feeling that "something ought to be done about it". That feeling seems to have dissipated, although the problem remains (and promises to get worse). To challenge the indifference of web designers to the problem seems a lost cause, as many of them have "learned" (I use the term loosely) to code in inexpensive Microsoft-sponsored courses which exist largely for the purpose of indoctrinating their students in the belief that MS "enhancements" are the best or only way to code web pages; they are not knowledgeable enough to understand arguments to the contrary. Owners of websites are also not a productive target for persuasion, e.g. because they feel that if they are reaching 90% of their clients, they have done as well as they ever can do, which really is not an illogical business decision. On the other hand, all the organizations listed in the Subject line above are quasi-governmental agencies, and therefore have a responsibility to serve any member of the public who is equipped with standard apparatus, without regard to specific proprietary gear. They are all subject to the oversight of the State Comptroller, and I submit that the State Comptroller is the office that should be approached with the complaint and argument that these agencies are delinquent in their responsibility, given that e.g. Firefox is compliant with standards, whereas Internet Explorer (although universally favored by the ignoramuses who code the websites in question) is not. If this makes sense to others, and if there is still interest in rectifying this long-time problem, I propose that a proper complaint be lodged with the Comptroller, who is bound to respond within a length of time set by law (I think it is three months). I think that this letter should be be drafted by a committee representing IGLU and signed by the largest possible number of members. The problem is not going to go away by itself. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: TAU lectures, BG Airport departures/arrivals, Kupat Holim lab results -- Linux
These are 3 different organizations and all of them I think is not subject to the state comptroller. TAU lectures is one problem that I have no idea how to solve. BG Airport departures is the only thing that might be of interest to the state comptroller. When we approach him, we should talk about standards and accessibility and not about Linux. Kupat Holim, as much as I heard lately works fine with FireFox. I myself tested Macabi web site, Omer Zak if I am not mistaken reported lately that Clalit also works fine. I don't know about the other health organizations in Israel. -- Ori Idan On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Stan Goodman wrote: > There was some discussion here not long ago about the tendency of Israeli > website owners to ignore issues of access by users of non-Microsoft > browsers, and there seemed then to be a feeling that "something ought to > be done about it". That feeling seems to have dissipated, although the > problem remains (and promises to get worse). > > To challenge the indifference of web designers to the problem seems a lost > cause, as many of them have "learned" (I use the term loosely) to code in > inexpensive Microsoft-sponsored courses which exist largely for the > purpose of indoctrinating their students in the belief that > MS "enhancements" are the best or only way to code web pages; they are > not knowledgeable enough to understand arguments to the contrary. Owners > of websites are also not a productive target for persuasion, e.g. because > they feel that if they are reaching 90% of their clients, they have done > as well as they ever can do, which really is not an illogical business > decision. > > On the other hand, all the organizations listed in the Subject line above > are quasi-governmental agencies, and therefore have a responsibility to > serve any member of the public who is equipped with standard apparatus, > without regard to specific proprietary gear. They are all subject to the > oversight of the State Comptroller, and I submit that the State > Comptroller is the office that should be approached with the complaint > and argument that these agencies are delinquent in their responsibility, > given that e.g. Firefox is compliant with standards, whereas Internet > Explorer (although universally favored by the ignoramuses who code the > websites in question) is not. > > If this makes sense to others, and if there is still interest in > rectifying this long-time problem, I propose that a proper complaint be > lodged with the Comptroller, who is bound to respond within a length of > time set by law (I think it is three months). I think that this letter > should be be drafted by a committee representing IGLU and signed by the > largest possible number of members. > > The problem is not going to go away by itself. > > -- > Stan Goodman > Qiryat Tiv'on > Israel > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: TAU lectures, BG Airport departures/arrivals, Kupat Holim lab results -- Linux
Hi All, Maccabi and Meuhedet works for us fine under firefox. Regards, Kfir 2010/7/25 Ori Idan > These are 3 different organizations and all of them I think is not > subject to the state comptroller. > > TAU lectures is one problem that I have no idea how to solve. > > BG Airport departures is the only thing that might be of interest to the > state comptroller. When we approach him, we should talk about standards and > accessibility and not about Linux. > > Kupat Holim, as much as I heard lately works fine with FireFox. > I myself tested Macabi web site, Omer Zak if I am not mistaken reported > lately that Clalit also works fine. > I don't know about the other health organizations in Israel. > > -- > Ori Idan > > > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Stan Goodman > wrote: > >> There was some discussion here not long ago about the tendency of Israeli >> website owners to ignore issues of access by users of non-Microsoft >> browsers, and there seemed then to be a feeling that "something ought to >> be done about it". That feeling seems to have dissipated, although the >> problem remains (and promises to get worse). >> >> To challenge the indifference of web designers to the problem seems a lost >> cause, as many of them have "learned" (I use the term loosely) to code in >> inexpensive Microsoft-sponsored courses which exist largely for the >> purpose of indoctrinating their students in the belief that >> MS "enhancements" are the best or only way to code web pages; they are >> not knowledgeable enough to understand arguments to the contrary. Owners >> of websites are also not a productive target for persuasion, e.g. because >> they feel that if they are reaching 90% of their clients, they have done >> as well as they ever can do, which really is not an illogical business >> decision. >> >> On the other hand, all the organizations listed in the Subject line above >> are quasi-governmental agencies, and therefore have a responsibility to >> serve any member of the public who is equipped with standard apparatus, >> without regard to specific proprietary gear. They are all subject to the >> oversight of the State Comptroller, and I submit that the State >> Comptroller is the office that should be approached with the complaint >> and argument that these agencies are delinquent in their responsibility, >> given that e.g. Firefox is compliant with standards, whereas Internet >> Explorer (although universally favored by the ignoramuses who code the >> websites in question) is not. >> >> If this makes sense to others, and if there is still interest in >> rectifying this long-time problem, I propose that a proper complaint be >> lodged with the Comptroller, who is bound to respond within a length of >> time set by law (I think it is three months). I think that this letter >> should be be drafted by a committee representing IGLU and signed by the >> largest possible number of members. >> >> The problem is not going to go away by itself. >> >> -- >> Stan Goodman >> Qiryat Tiv'on >> Israel >> >> ___ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: TAU lectures, BG Airport departures/arrivals, Kupat Holim lab results -- Linux
2010/7/25 Ori Idan > These are 3 different organizations and all of them I think is not > subject to the state comptroller. > > TAU lectures is one problem that I have no idea how to solve. > > BG Airport departures is the only thing that might be of interest to the > state comptroller. When we approach him, we should talk about standards and > accessibility and not about Linux. > > Kupat Holim, as much as I heard lately works fine with FireFox. > I myself tested Macabi web site, Omer Zak if I am not mistaken reported > lately that Clalit also works fine. > Clalit works pretty well, though their search does not work - neither in Firefox nor in Chrome. > I don't know about the other health organizations in Israel. > > -- > Ori Idan > > > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Stan Goodman > wrote: > >> There was some discussion here not long ago about the tendency of Israeli >> website owners to ignore issues of access by users of non-Microsoft >> browsers, and there seemed then to be a feeling that "something ought to >> be done about it". That feeling seems to have dissipated, although the >> problem remains (and promises to get worse). >> >> To challenge the indifference of web designers to the problem seems a lost >> cause, as many of them have "learned" (I use the term loosely) to code in >> inexpensive Microsoft-sponsored courses which exist largely for the >> purpose of indoctrinating their students in the belief that >> MS "enhancements" are the best or only way to code web pages; they are >> not knowledgeable enough to understand arguments to the contrary. Owners >> of websites are also not a productive target for persuasion, e.g. because >> they feel that if they are reaching 90% of their clients, they have done >> as well as they ever can do, which really is not an illogical business >> decision. >> >> On the other hand, all the organizations listed in the Subject line above >> are quasi-governmental agencies, and therefore have a responsibility to >> serve any member of the public who is equipped with standard apparatus, >> without regard to specific proprietary gear. They are all subject to the >> oversight of the State Comptroller, and I submit that the State >> Comptroller is the office that should be approached with the complaint >> and argument that these agencies are delinquent in their responsibility, >> given that e.g. Firefox is compliant with standards, whereas Internet >> Explorer (although universally favored by the ignoramuses who code the >> websites in question) is not. >> >> If this makes sense to others, and if there is still interest in >> rectifying this long-time problem, I propose that a proper complaint be >> lodged with the Comptroller, who is bound to respond within a length of >> time set by law (I think it is three months). I think that this letter >> should be be drafted by a committee representing IGLU and signed by the >> largest possible number of members. >> >> The problem is not going to go away by itself. >> >> -- >> Stan Goodman >> Qiryat Tiv'on >> Israel >> >> ___ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda. http://ladypine.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: TAU lectures, BG Airport departures/arrivals, Kupat Holim lab results -- Linux
Going to the state comptroller is a avenue to be used after you have exhausted other possible options. I have no idea about other sites, but if you do have a problem with TAU websites or browser compatibility, the least would be to open a ticket with TAU helpdesk, and let TAU fix the problem (which they will if they can, unlike other sites). While I may agree that in general, it is desirable that sites would be cross platform, and that if other avenues were tried and they failed, turning to the state comptroller may be an option, I find the below e-mail a popolistic arms wrestling attempt, nothing more. --Ariel Stan Goodman wrote: > There was some discussion here not long ago about the tendency of Israeli > website owners to ignore issues of access by users of non-Microsoft > browsers, and there seemed then to be a feeling that "something ought to > be done about it". That feeling seems to have dissipated, although the > problem remains (and promises to get worse). > > To challenge the indifference of web designers to the problem seems a lost > cause, as many of them have "learned" (I use the term loosely) to code in > inexpensive Microsoft-sponsored courses which exist largely for the > purpose of indoctrinating their students in the belief that > MS "enhancements" are the best or only way to code web pages; they are > not knowledgeable enough to understand arguments to the contrary. Owners > of websites are also not a productive target for persuasion, e.g. because > they feel that if they are reaching 90% of their clients, they have done > as well as they ever can do, which really is not an illogical business > decision. > > On the other hand, all the organizations listed in the Subject line above > are quasi-governmental agencies, and therefore have a responsibility to > serve any member of the public who is equipped with standard apparatus, > without regard to specific proprietary gear. They are all subject to the > oversight of the State Comptroller, and I submit that the State > Comptroller is the office that should be approached with the complaint > and argument that these agencies are delinquent in their responsibility, > given that e.g. Firefox is compliant with standards, whereas Internet > Explorer (although universally favored by the ignoramuses who code the > websites in question) is not. > > If this makes sense to others, and if there is still interest in > rectifying this long-time problem, I propose that a proper complaint be > lodged with the Comptroller, who is bound to respond within a length of > time set by law (I think it is three months). I think that this letter > should be be drafted by a committee representing IGLU and signed by the > largest possible number of members. > > The problem is not going to go away by itself. > > -- -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
