Re: RGB LED control (was Re: "advanced" LED controllers)
On Mon 2015-03-09 11:50:56, Måns Rullgård wrote: > Geert Uytterhoeven writes: > > > Hi Pavel, > > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: > >> Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in > >> documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very > >> important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. > >> > >> Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek > >> > >> diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > >> b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > >> index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 > >> --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > >> +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > >> @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: > >> non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and > >> /sys/class/leds//max_brightness. > >> > >> + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% > >> brightness > >> + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in > >> a similar > >> + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). > > > > How many drivers do it right? How many don't? > > > > For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and > > pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate > > the need for conversion? > > Some LED controllers do the right thing in hardware, so any adjustment > done in the core needs to be optional. Do you have example controller that gets it right, btw? Bryan, can you apply the documentation patch so we can start fixing the drivers? Thanks, Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: RGB LED control (was Re: advanced LED controllers)
On Mon 2015-03-09 11:50:56, Måns Rullgård wrote: Geert Uytterhoeven ge...@linux-m68k.org writes: Hi Pavel, On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and /sys/class/leds/led/max_brightness. + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a similar + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). How many drivers do it right? How many don't? For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate the need for conversion? Some LED controllers do the right thing in hardware, so any adjustment done in the core needs to be optional. Do you have example controller that gets it right, btw? Bryan, can you apply the documentation patch so we can start fixing the drivers? Thanks, Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: RGB LED control (was Re: "advanced" LED controllers)
Geert Uytterhoeven writes: > Hi Pavel, > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: >> Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in >> documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very >> important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. >> >> Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek >> >> diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led >> b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led >> index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 >> --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led >> +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led >> @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: >> non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and >> /sys/class/leds//max_brightness. >> >> + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% >> brightness >> + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a >> similar >> + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). > > How many drivers do it right? How many don't? > > For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and > pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate > the need for conversion? Some LED controllers do the right thing in hardware, so any adjustment done in the core needs to be optional. -- Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: RGB LED control (was Re: "advanced" LED controllers)
On Mon 2015-03-09 09:08:37, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: > > Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in > > documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very > > important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. > > > > Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > > b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > > index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > > +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led > > @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: > > non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and > > /sys/class/leds//max_brightness. > > > > + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% > > brightness > > + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in > > a similar > > + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). > > How many drivers do it right? How many don't? Not sure. leds-lp5523.c gets is wrong. Easy test is to attempt to set "electric indigo" color (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo#Violet-blue) and see what comes out. > For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and > pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate > the need for conversion? There is not that many drivers that support smooth power adjustments. But yes, we can probably conversion in the core for trivial case. Unfortunately, we only have 8-bits of precision to work with... Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: RGB LED control (was Re: "advanced" LED controllers)
Hi Pavel,
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in
> documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very
> important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions.
>
> Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
> b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
> index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644
> --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
> +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
> @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description:
> non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and
> /sys/class/leds//max_brightness.
>
> + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness
> + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a
> similar
> + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM).
How many drivers do it right? How many don't?
For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and
pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate
the need for conversion?
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
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Re: RGB LED control (was Re: advanced LED controllers)
Geert Uytterhoeven ge...@linux-m68k.org writes: Hi Pavel, On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and /sys/class/leds/led/max_brightness. + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a similar + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). How many drivers do it right? How many don't? For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate the need for conversion? Some LED controllers do the right thing in hardware, so any adjustment done in the core needs to be optional. -- Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: RGB LED control (was Re: advanced LED controllers)
Hi Pavel,
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz wrote:
Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in
documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very
important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions.
Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz
diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644
--- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
+++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led
@@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description:
non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and
/sys/class/leds/led/max_brightness.
+ If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness
+ should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a
similar
+ manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM).
How many drivers do it right? How many don't?
For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and
pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate
the need for conversion?
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
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Re: RGB LED control (was Re: advanced LED controllers)
On Mon 2015-03-09 09:08:37, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: Hi Pavel, On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and /sys/class/leds/led/max_brightness. + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a similar + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). How many drivers do it right? How many don't? Not sure. leds-lp5523.c gets is wrong. Easy test is to attempt to set electric indigo color (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo#Violet-blue) and see what comes out. For those that don't, perhaps we handle the conversion between perceived and pwm in the core, e.g. by adding a new flag to led_classdev.flags to indicate the need for conversion? There is not that many drivers that support smooth power adjustments. But yes, we can probably conversion in the core for trivial case. Unfortunately, we only have 8-bits of precision to work with... Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RGB LED control (was Re: "advanced" LED controllers)
Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and /sys/class/leds//max_brightness. + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a similar + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). + + What: /sys/class/leds//max_brightness Date: March 2006 KernelVersion: 2.6.17 -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RGB LED control (was Re: advanced LED controllers)
Ok, so I played with RGB LED a bit, and we have quite a gap in documentation: what 50% brightness means is non-trivial and very important in case we want to do smooth blinking and color transitions. Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz diff --git a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led index 3646ec8..649d7a6 100644 --- a/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led +++ b/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-led @@ -8,6 +8,11 @@ Description: non-zero brightness settings. The value is between 0 and /sys/class/leds/led/max_brightness. + If LED supports continuous brightness settings, 50% brightness + should correspond to 50% brightness perceived by human, in a similar + manner pixel brightness on monitor does (not 50% PWM). + + What: /sys/class/leds/led/max_brightness Date: March 2006 KernelVersion: 2.6.17 -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
