[Lubuntu-desktop] time-admin broken in Lubuntu 11.10 Alpha 1 - GTK3 issue
I know we don't have GTK3 stuff sorted in Alpha1. This is an example of the kind of issues we may face as we migrate. Clicking on Bird -> System Tools -> Time and Date does nothing visible. Running sudo time-admin & in LXterminal gets me Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported aborting... which at least tells me what is happening :) I am not sure if it is worth filing bugs in LP for this kind of thing this early -- comments welcome on this. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Does Lubuntu still need anything in multiverse?
I noticed in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gilir/+junk/livecd-rootfs-lubuntu-support/revision/77 that we are telling the build system that we need multiverse. But I *think* we should not be doing that any more. All packages in 11.04 were in main, universe or restricted. Am I mistaken? Can anyone think of a reason why the Lubuntu CD needs anything from multiverse, either in 11.04 Natty or in 11.10 Oneiric? Thanks, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
As mentioned, the A1 was built the 'old way' Hopefully by the time A2 comes out our iso spinners will have full access to the autobuild system that ubuntu use. It sure as hell will reduce the workload - feed in the files and it spits out the various isos!! (And yes, I know it's a lot more complicated than that, but a darn sight easier than building each one manually). Regards, Phill. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Lance wrote: > The forum thing was actually an afterthought, and perhaps a poor one. > > My original intention was to explore the proper manner of filing bugs > against Lubuntu when it's known that the same bugs don't exist in Ubuntu or > another variant. > > In this case the actual apps effected were probably casper and ubiquity, > but I knew the same issues weren't present in Ubuntu. > > I know sometimes, if in doubt, filing against a meta-package will draw the > needed attention and get a bug properly reassigned. > > --- On *Sat, 6/4/11, matthew byers * wrote: > > > From: matthew byers > > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing > To: "Lance" > Cc: "Chris" , "Phill Whiteside" , > "lubuntu-desktop" > Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 3:15 PM > > > Per the post on the foums that i just read is all this questioning the need > of a official forum for lubuntu? > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Lance > http://mc/compose?to=lbsol...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too > concerned ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in > order to be as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is > limited please look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no > need to comment at the forums): > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 > > I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods > might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 > > All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told > so. > > > --- On *Fri, 6/3/11, Chris > http://mc/compose?to=cyber.dr...@gmail.com> > >* wrote: > > > From: Chris http://mc/compose?to=cyber.dr...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing > To: "Phill Whiteside" > http://mc/compose?to=phi...@ubuntu.com> > > > Cc: "Lance" http://mc/compose?to=lbsol...@yahoo.com>>, > "lubuntu-desktop" > http://mc/compose?to=lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net> > > > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM > > > Hello Lance, > > I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart > buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in > creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just > pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the > installer (bug 3)? > > Welcome to the crew by the way. > > With metta, > > Chris Druif > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside > http://mc/compose?to=phi...@ubuntu.com> > > wrote: > > hiyas kansasnoob, > > firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I > used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, > just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has > been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we > include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. > Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 > dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by > 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building > system. This should be done for a2. > > The general page for 11.10 is at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers > > Progress on the apport hooks can be found at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO > > If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast > of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to > your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to > get the lubuntu discussions. > > Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what > better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing > area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. > > Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you > great people again. > For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know > where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we > need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle > (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). > Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but > realisti
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
hiyas Lance, I'm sure both Julien (gilir) and Jonathan (JMarsden) will quickly bring you up to speed. They are the ones responsible for spinning the iso's. AFAIK, Julien is now a little freer to go bug hunting and JM is taking some of the strain on iso generation, but with the new 'official' iso building coming in they will both be kept busy. As an experienced iso tester your input will be a massive help to lubuntu. On an area I can assist in, back in the 'old' days when they removed the forum for Wubi there was a lot of complaining (I know, I was amongst those going WTF!) We'd spend ages trying to sort out a problem, and then they'd tell you "oh, by the way I'm using WuBi"! So, the chances of a lubuntu area are slightly less than a snowflake lasting 2 release cycles in hell. It was me who asked a kindly forum moderator about the chances of us getting a 'lubuntu' tag for questions, just as xubuntu and kubuntu etc. have, even though we were not 'officially' a part of the family. I was told it would take a little while for a 'meeting'... It must have been a real short meeting. We got the flag VERY quickly. And yes, Mr Ubutnu Forum Moderator, if you are on our mailing list - you know who you are - and Thanks! Do drop by #lubuntu-offtopic on freenode for a chat, it's much easier and faster than forums and emails. What we lack in quantity, we more than make for in quality. Regards, Phill. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Lance wrote: > I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned > ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be > as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please > look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment > at the forums): > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 > > I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods > might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 > > All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told > so. > > > --- On *Fri, 6/3/11, Chris * wrote: > > > From: Chris > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing > To: "Phill Whiteside" > Cc: "Lance" , "lubuntu-desktop" < > lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net> > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM > > > Hello Lance, > > I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart > buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in > creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just > pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the > installer (bug 3)? > > Welcome to the crew by the way. > > With metta, > > Chris Druif > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside > http://mc/compose?to=phi...@ubuntu.com> > > wrote: > > hiyas kansasnoob, > > firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I > used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, > just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has > been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we > include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. > Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 > dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by > 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building > system. This should be done for a2. > > The general page for 11.10 is at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers > > Progress on the apport hooks can be found at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO > > If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast > of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to > your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to > get the lubuntu discussions. > > Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what > better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing > area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. > > Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you > great people again. > For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know > where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we > need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle > (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). > Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but > realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough > devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting > coming up under Jono
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
The forum thing was actually an afterthought, and perhaps a poor one. My original intention was to explore the proper manner of filing bugs against Lubuntu when it's known that the same bugs don't exist in Ubuntu or another variant. In this case the actual apps effected were probably casper and ubiquity, but I knew the same issues weren't present in Ubuntu. I know sometimes, if in doubt, filing against a meta-package will draw the needed attention and get a bug properly reassigned. --- On Sat, 6/4/11, matthew byers wrote: From: matthew byers Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Lance" Cc: "Chris" , "Phill Whiteside" , "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 3:15 PM Per the post on the foums that i just read is all this questioning the need of a official forum for lubuntu? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Lance wrote: I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment at the forums): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told so. --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Phill Whiteside" Cc: "Lance" , "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM Hello Lance, I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the installer (bug 3)? Welcome to the crew by the way. With metta, Chris Druif On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside wrote: hiyas kansasnoob, firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building system. This should be done for a2. The general page for 11.10 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers Progress on the apport hooks can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to get the lubuntu discussions. Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you great people again. For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like this I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our devs is no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great :P My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers, Phill. P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D @ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct me. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance wrote: First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-testing (in which I've participated for over 3 years), and "kansasnoob" at Ubuntu forums. I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of the Ubuntu family. I particularly loo
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
Per the post on the foums that i just read is all this questioning the need of a official forum for lubuntu? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Lance wrote: > I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too > concerned ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in > order to be as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is > limited please look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no > need to comment at the forums): > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 > > I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods > might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 > > All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told > so. > > > --- On *Fri, 6/3/11, Chris * wrote: > > > From: Chris > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing > To: "Phill Whiteside" > Cc: "Lance" , "lubuntu-desktop" < > lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net> > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM > > > Hello Lance, > > I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart > buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in > creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just > pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the > installer (bug 3)? > > Welcome to the crew by the way. > > With metta, > > Chris Druif > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside > http://mc/compose?to=phi...@ubuntu.com> > > wrote: > > hiyas kansasnoob, > > firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I > used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, > just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has > been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we > include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. > Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 > dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by > 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building > system. This should be done for a2. > > The general page for 11.10 is at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers > > Progress on the apport hooks can be found at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO > > If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast > of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to > your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to > get the lubuntu discussions. > > Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what > better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing > area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. > > Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you > great people again. > For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know > where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we > need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle > (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). > Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but > realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough > devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting > coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like > this I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our > devs is no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great > :P > > My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers, > > Phill. > P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D > @ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct > me. > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance > http://mc/compose?to=lbsol...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at > iso-testing (in which I've participated for over 3 years), and "kansasnoob" > at Ubuntu forums. > > I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of > the Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's > images are included in Ubuntu's iso-testing. > > Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here: > > http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ > > And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this early > in a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported. The > specific bugs are: > > 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type *startx*to > get the DE. > > 2) The default DE lacks restart or shu
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment at the forums): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told so. --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Phill Whiteside" Cc: "Lance" , "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM Hello Lance, I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the installer (bug 3)? Welcome to the crew by the way. With metta, Chris Druif On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside wrote: hiyas kansasnoob, firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building system. This should be done for a2. The general page for 11.10 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers Progress on the apport hooks can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to get the lubuntu discussions. Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you great people again. For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like this I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our devs is no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great :P My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers, Phill. P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D @ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct me. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance wrote: First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-testing (in which I've participated for over 3 years), and "kansasnoob" at Ubuntu forums. I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of the Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's images are included in Ubuntu's iso-testing. Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this early in a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported. The specific bugs are: 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type startx to get the DE. 2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons. 3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or keep using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and the CD ejected as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, closed the tray and hit enter, but nothing happened. I tried some common key combos but finally had to use the reset button on my box to complete the restart. Of course none of these are serious or unexp
