Re: Pitching in with Lubuntu

[Iberê Fernandes]

2013/11/20 Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph :
> Hi Lubuntu friends!
>
> Some of you may know me from the Ubuntu and Xubuntu communities. I’m
> currently a member of the Ubuntu Community Council and have served as
> web and marketing lead for the Xubuntu team for the past couple
> cycles. I also run Lubuntu on my old PPC-based laptop :)
>
> A few days ago I had the opportunity to chat with Ali about the status
> of the Lubuntu project and offered to give some feedback over these
> next few months to help out the team.
>
> I don’t really have any immediate suggestions as I’m just getting to
> know the team, so I just wanted to say hello and offer assistance as
> advice is required given my experience with other projects. I
> certainly don’t know everything about running healthy communities, but
> I do hope you will find value as I work to pitch in on threads where
> general feedback is requested. Feel free to also reach out to me
> directly, I’ll also be hanging out in #lubuntu on freenode as pleia2.
>
> Take care,
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Lyz, welcome to the Lubuntu team!

Besides pitching on threads where general feedback is requested, I
believe the Lubuntu Testing team always needs PPC testers...  :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] HTG Article

[Iberê Fernandes]

2013/11/22 David Yentzen :
> http://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/
>
> Hi Team,
>  The above link is a friendly article published in late Sept of 2013 and
> recommends Lubuntu.  If any of you come across articles like this please
> send it in to the Comms Team so the social media channels can repost.
>
> Best
> David Yentzen
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David, thank you for the idea!

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Israel]

I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS,
and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. 
However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. 
Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to
install (and have it configured).
I agree with both points here.
 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and
works like the familiar ones.
Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and
RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like
clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like the
sounds, obviously.

XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.


On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM,   > wrote:
>
> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the
> linux destros.
>
> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent
> for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce
> resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is
> an excuse.
>
> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right
> now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the
> last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed
> before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is
> good to discuss and communicate :)
>
> Feel Free to start a blueprint here:
> https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming
>
> Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added
> because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.
>
> But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)
>
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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Hackson.Wang]

Yes, Israel, you are right! Just make a choice for every user -- having 
a lubuntu-sounds-theme package is a very smarter idea :_)


So, the dev-team will accept this sugesstion?

On 2013/11/22 21:38, Israel wrote:
I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, 
and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  
However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  
Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to 
install (and have it configured).

I agree with both points here.
 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and 
works like the familiar ones.
Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, 
and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.

So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like 
clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like 
the sounds, obviously.


XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.


On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM,  > wrote:


I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the
linux destros.

Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent
for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce
resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST
is an excuse.

So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?


Hi,

I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right 
now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the 
last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed 
before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is 
good to discuss and communicate :)


Feel Free to start a blueprint here: 
https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming


Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added 
because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.


But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Israel]

Ali is absolutely correct, you need to open a blueprint.
There are so many things to do before April, the only way you can insure
it will be done, is by doing it.  Everyone already has tasks, and some
projects are a huge undertaking.  I don't know if anyone that works for
Canonical is involved in Lubuntu (in other words everyone works on this
stuff because we enjoy it, and want to help other people)
I know the packages I make are because I want to.  The bugs I fix are
because I want the fix.

If you want, I can help you package it, but you will need to pick some
sounds, and find out how they are accessed from LXDE events.  That is
something I don't know.  Someone here might be able to help, but I know
someone from LXDE would know (like PC Man, for sure).

A community package of sounds would be nice.  Maybe have users submit
sounds for different system events, and vote on the best ones, or
something.  LMMS is awesome for creating sound effects (use
fluid-soundfont-gm & fluid-soundfont-gs those have some awesome sounds
for the Soundfont).
If you can't make sounds, and don't want to organize a community sound
project go to freesound.org and find some.
Of course if you don't want to work on packaging or any aspect of it, it
very likely will not get done.  I know I have many other projects beside
my new involvement here, so I am sure the others here have other
projects, as well as jobs, and family and possibly school.

On 11/22/2013 08:51 AM, Hackson.Wang wrote:
> Yes, Israel, you are right! Just make a choice for every user --
> having a lubuntu-sounds-theme package is a very smarter idea :_)
>
> So, the dev-team will accept this sugesstion?
>
> On 2013/11/22 21:38, Israel wrote:
>> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the
>> OS, and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. 
>> However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. 
>> Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy
>> to install (and have it configured).
>> I agree with both points here.
>>  wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use,
>> and works like the familiar ones.
>> Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS,
>> and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
>> So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
>> I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like
>> clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like
>> the sounds, obviously.
>>
>> XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM,  >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the
>>> linux destros.
>>>
>>> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent
>>> for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce
>>> resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST
>>> is an excuse.
>>>
>>> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right
>>> now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the
>>> last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been
>>> discussed before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least
>>> IMHO it is good to discuss and communicate :)
>>>
>>> Feel Free to start a blueprint here:
>>> https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming
>>>
>>> Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added
>>> because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.
>>>
>>> But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>> Best Regards,
>>> amjjawad 
>>> Areas of Involvement
>>> 
>>> My Projects 
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: Pitching in with Lubuntu

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Iberê Fernandes
wrote:

> 2013/11/20 Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph :
> > Hi Lubuntu friends!
> >
> > Some of you may know me from the Ubuntu and Xubuntu communities. I’m
> > currently a member of the Ubuntu Community Council and have served as
> > web and marketing lead for the Xubuntu team for the past couple
> > cycles. I also run Lubuntu on my old PPC-based laptop :)
> >
> > A few days ago I had the opportunity to chat with Ali about the status
> > of the Lubuntu project and offered to give some feedback over these
> > next few months to help out the team.
> >
> > I don’t really have any immediate suggestions as I’m just getting to
> > know the team, so I just wanted to say hello and offer assistance as
> > advice is required given my experience with other projects. I
> > certainly don’t know everything about running healthy communities, but
> > I do hope you will find value as I work to pitch in on threads where
> > general feedback is requested. Feel free to also reach out to me
> > directly, I’ll also be hanging out in #lubuntu on freenode as pleia2.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
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> > http://www.princessleia.com
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> Lyz, welcome to the Lubuntu team!
>

Hi my friend,



>
> Besides pitching on threads where general feedback is requested, I
> believe the Lubuntu Testing team always needs PPC testers...  :)
>
>
I am working on this with another member of the community so have some
patience ;)
Now, vUDS is over, I guess I can ask again and will keep you all posted :)



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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Israel  wrote:

>
> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and
> playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However, this
> being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
> lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have
> it configured).
> I agree with both points here.
> 海鑫电脑 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and
> works like the familiar ones.
> Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and
> RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
> So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
> I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking
> sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like the sounds,
> obviously.
>
> XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.
>

At Lubuntu's Service :)

Here is a Blueprint - feel free to start the brainstorming :D

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[David Yentzen]

Thanks, Ali
  I will take a look at this. If I understand the thread correctly, some
members want default sounds included, which may use up resources. I have
always liked the idea of Lubuntu having a very minimalistic/basic default
install with perhaps optional after install packages so that a user could
"fatten" it up as he/she pleases.  I am reminded that Bodhi has something
similar...a basic install and an opitional "fat stick" install with a
fuller compliment of software.
  Just my two cents worth.

Best Regards,
David Yentzen


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Israel  wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS,
>> and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However,
>> this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
>> lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have
>> it configured).
>> I agree with both points here.
>> 海鑫电脑 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and
>> works like the familiar ones.
>> Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and
>> RAM and processor to play these sounds each time.
>> So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground.
>> I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking
>> sounds on touchscreens, etc..  but some people really like the sounds,
>> obviously.
>>
>> XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS.
>>
>
> At Lubuntu's Service :)
>
> Here is a Blueprint - feel free to start the brainstorming :D
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event
>
>
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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Aere Greenway]

On 11/21/2013 11:58 PM, 海鑫电脑 wrote:
ErMaybe you are not a common user. A common user is who don't know 
develeoping or programming or administration, like me :)


Technophiles  like efficiency, but common users need enjoy a system. 
Silent running can deeply touch the common user's heart


On 2013/11/22 14:00, Salama wrote:

But why??.. I really disliked the Login sound in Windows when I was a
windows user!
Lubuntu Booting & Login should be - by default - Fast and Silent.




These things tend to be personal preferences.  People are different, and 
that's okay.


I have been a software developer for over 40 years, and I don't happen 
to share your preferences.


I agree with Salama with my dislike of the Windows XP sign-in sound 
(which it would blast away at high volume).


But I do like sounds.

Perhaps a good approach would be to come up with something you like, and 
make it available to us all.


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM, David Yentzen  wrote:

> Thanks, Ali
>

You and Lubuntu are more than welcome :)


>   I will take a look at this.
>

Yes, the correct or the best approach is to either discuss here or on the
Blueprint but Developers prefer Blueprints :)



> If I understand the thread correctly, some members want default sounds
> included, which may use up resources.
>

Same like Ubuntu. If you start Ubuntu, you will have some sound events.
Same with Windows :)



> I have always liked the idea of Lubuntu having a very minimalistic/basic
> default install with perhaps optional after install packages so that a user
> could "fatten" it up as he/she pleases.
>

+1
I share the same opinion :)



> I am reminded that Bodhi has something similar...a basic install and an
> opitional "fat stick" install with a fuller compliment of software.
>

I don't use Bodhi Linux so not really sure about this :)



>   Just my two cents worth.
>
> Best Regards,
> David Yentzen
>

Thank you :)

@Everyone
You are free to carry on with discussion over here (mailing list) or here:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event

But, may I remind you that Developers prefer working on Blueprints ;)


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Re: 2 suggestions; Diodon and numlockx

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi again,


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

>
>
> Hi :)
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Eric Bradshaw <
> ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:
>
>> My apologies in advance if these things have already been addressed,
>
>
> Indeed, these are topics we discussed many times before but it is totally
> fine to re-discuss that to keep a healthy environment where people 'do
> communicate' with each other :)  this is after all the point to have a
> mailing list :)
>
>
> but
>> I hope to see a couple of basic (what I think most new Lubuntu users
>> expect) features added to Lubuntu:
>>
>> 1. A simple clipboard manager. Parcellite doesn't seem to work. If you
>> copy a command from say, a web page in Firefox, but close the page
>> before pasting it into LXTerminal - it disappears. C4C includes Diodon
>> for this reason. The following is a discussion about it on the LXDE
>> Forum - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=36214
>>
>
> For me, everything works fine and we have done that starting from 12.04 or
> 12.10 - can't really remember now but everything works fine at least with
> me :)
>
>
>
>>
>> 2. Automatic number locking. You have to hit the number lock key before
>> using the keypad and it doesn't stick after a reboot. C4C includes
>> numlockx for this reason, but there is a command line edit too. The
>> following is a discussion about it on the Ubuntu Forums -
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888266
>>
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1072114
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> --
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>> God Bless,
>> Computers4Christians
>> http://www.Computers4Christians.org/
>>
>
> Thank you!
>

Here is an old bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/926893

Reported on: 2012-02-04
And, Clipboard Manager was added since then:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/926893/comments/11

And, AFAIK, everything is working just fine and there is no issue in this
regard :)

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Re: Roadmap for 14.04

[David Yentzen]

Hi Julien
 Thanks for your detailed email.  I understand there is not enough
infrastructure currently to support training, mentoring, and performing
many changes prior to 14.04 roll out. I am mostly concerned with the future
development of our community. Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and
Linux) but also have no computer background( all biological sciences and
economics here), I rely on your opinion and input. Are there any steps, you
know of, that we as a community can take now to attract and promote the
technical human power we need for a growing future?


Sincerely,
David Yentzen


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Dale Visser  wrote:

>  I've been quite busy with family stuff and work today, but thanks for
> the replies. I'll take a look over at Lubuntu Software Center, and see if
> there are any issues I could see myself tackling. I've never used Bazaar or
> the Launchpad issue trackers, so there will be some learning curve involved.
>
> Best regards,
> Dale
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
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> Sent: 11/19/2013 2:01 PM
> To: Aere Greenway 
> Cc: lubuntu user list 
>
> Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04
>
>  dale: I'm not sure what lubuntu specific stuff is java, maybe just find
> some general bugs. As mentioned above, the lubuntu software centre is
> python, so any bugfixes for that would be great
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Aere Greenway 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 11/19/2013 03:08 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>>
>>
>>  2013/11/18 Iberê Fernandes 
>>
>>>
>>> Regarding:
>>> > Since the next release is a “all-you-can-fix” roadmap, maintaining it
>>> will
>>> > be IMO a waste of time. If you want to work on something specific,
>>> talk to
>>> > me by mail or IRC (gilir on #lubuntu).
>>>
>>>  I agree it'll be a waste of time if we may be moving to LXQt on 14.10
>>> cycle.
>>>
>>> Hence, does 14.04 has to remain LTS yet? I mean, should we drop the
>>> LTS idea for 14.04 once:
>>> - LXDE is dying;
>>> - we're missing devs and LTS would demand support together with the
>>> non-LTS releases.
>>> - LXQt seems to be not  ready for 14.04
>>>
>>
>>  I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to change
>> all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot of work to test
>> the integration of all of them). But with a 14.04 LTS, we can release a
>> "not-so-stable-and-finished" 14.10 Qt version, because we still can advise
>> people to keep 14.04. The goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS
>> version, and development the Qt version until it's stable enough to
>> completely switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1
>> version to maintain, 1 to develop).
>>
>>  Regards,
>>  Julien Lavergne
>>
>>
>>
>>  Julien:
>>
>> This approach makes good sense to me.  I agree, for what it's worth.
>>
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Re: Pitching in with Lubuntu

[Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Iberê Fernandes
 wrote:
> Besides pitching on threads where general feedback is requested, I
> believe the Lubuntu Testing team always needs PPC testers...  :)

Yes! I hope to be able to help out with PPC testing as time allows :)

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Israel  wrote:
> I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and
> playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However, this
> being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
> lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have
> it configured).

It may not be a consideration for Lubuntu, but for low vision users
having sounds enabled by default helps a considerable amount. A login
sounds help the user know that the desktop is loading, for instance.

Personally I turn them off too, nothing more embarrassing than a start
up sound when I start up my computer during a talk at a conference :)

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Re: Roadmap for 14.04

[Iberê Fernandes]

2013/11/22 David Yentzen :
> Hi Julien
>  Thanks for your detailed email.  I understand there is not enough
> infrastructure currently to support training, mentoring, and performing many
> changes prior to 14.04 roll out. I am mostly concerned with the future
> development of our community. Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and Linux)
> but also have no computer background( all biological sciences and economics
> here), I rely on your opinion and input. Are there any steps, you know of,
> that we as a community can take now to attract and promote the technical
> human power we need for a growing future?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> David Yentzen
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Dale Visser  wrote:
>>
>> I've been quite busy with family stuff and work today, but thanks for the
>> replies. I'll take a look over at Lubuntu Software Center, and see if there
>> are any issues I could see myself tackling. I've never used Bazaar or the
>> Launchpad issue trackers, so there will be some learning curve involved.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> 
>> From: Jackson Doak
>> Sent: 11/19/2013 2:01 PM
>>
>> To: Aere Greenway
>> Cc: lubuntu user list
>>
>> Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04
>>
>> dale: I'm not sure what lubuntu specific stuff is java, maybe just find
>> some general bugs. As mentioned above, the lubuntu software centre is
>> python, so any bugfixes for that would be great
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Aere Greenway 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2013 03:08 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/11/18 Iberê Fernandes 


 Regarding:
 > Since the next release is a “all-you-can-fix” roadmap, maintaining it
 > will
 > be IMO a waste of time. If you want to work on something specific,
 > talk to
 > me by mail or IRC (gilir on #lubuntu).

 I agree it'll be a waste of time if we may be moving to LXQt on 14.10
 cycle.

 Hence, does 14.04 has to remain LTS yet? I mean, should we drop the
 LTS idea for 14.04 once:
 - LXDE is dying;
 - we're missing devs and LTS would demand support together with the
 non-LTS releases.
 - LXQt seems to be not  ready for 14.04
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to change
>>> all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot of work to test the
>>> integration of all of them). But with a 14.04 LTS, we can release a
>>> "not-so-stable-and-finished" 14.10 Qt version, because we still can advise
>>> people to keep 14.04. The goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS
>>> version, and development the Qt version until it's stable enough to
>>> completely switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1
>>> version to maintain, 1 to develop).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julien Lavergne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Julien:
>>>
>>> This approach makes good sense to me.  I agree, for what it's worth.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Aere
>>>
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David,

Julien is not dealing with governance anymore since sometime in
2012... that's why it'd be nice to have a Release Manager to do (or
sort of do) the governance thing.

So Julien is focused on development.

Have you ever read The Art of Community, by Jono Bacon (Ubuntu
Community Manager)?

The 2nd edition is availalbe (free) at
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Re: Roadmap for 14.04

[David Yentzen]

Ibere,
  Thank you for your response.  I did not know this about Julien, however,
I suspected something as such. The community does seem to be
self-regulating for the most part but perhaps some type of consensus
decision making style Release Manager may be of benefit.
  No, I have not, yet, read Jono Bacon's book-its on my list. I have read
Eric Raymond's CatB and Butler Shaffer's Boundaries of Order( a study of
the nature of human organizations and institutions).
  But, my original query still goes unanswered( and perhaps there is no
answer)?

Best Regards,
David






On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Iberê Fernandes
wrote:

> 2013/11/22 David Yentzen :
> > Hi Julien
> >  Thanks for your detailed email.  I understand there is not enough
> > infrastructure currently to support training, mentoring, and performing
> many
> > changes prior to 14.04 roll out. I am mostly concerned with the future
> > development of our community. Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and
> Linux)
> > but also have no computer background( all biological sciences and
> economics
> > here), I rely on your opinion and input. Are there any steps, you know
> of,
> > that we as a community can take now to attract and promote the technical
> > human power we need for a growing future?
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > David Yentzen
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Dale Visser 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been quite busy with family stuff and work today, but thanks for
> the
> >> replies. I'll take a look over at Lubuntu Software Center, and see if
> there
> >> are any issues I could see myself tackling. I've never used Bazaar or
> the
> >> Launchpad issue trackers, so there will be some learning curve involved.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Dale
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Windows Phone
> >> 
> >> From: Jackson Doak
> >> Sent: 11/19/2013 2:01 PM
> >>
> >> To: Aere Greenway
> >> Cc: lubuntu user list
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04
> >>
> >> dale: I'm not sure what lubuntu specific stuff is java, maybe just find
> >> some general bugs. As mentioned above, the lubuntu software centre is
> >> python, so any bugfixes for that would be great
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Aere Greenway <
> a...@dvorak-keyboards.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 11/19/2013 03:08 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2013/11/18 Iberê Fernandes 
> 
> 
>  Regarding:
>  > Since the next release is a “all-you-can-fix” roadmap, maintaining
> it
>  > will
>  > be IMO a waste of time. If you want to work on something specific,
>  > talk to
>  > me by mail or IRC (gilir on #lubuntu).
> 
>  I agree it'll be a waste of time if we may be moving to LXQt on 14.10
>  cycle.
> 
>  Hence, does 14.04 has to remain LTS yet? I mean, should we drop the
>  LTS idea for 14.04 once:
>  - LXDE is dying;
>  - we're missing devs and LTS would demand support together with the
>  non-LTS releases.
>  - LXQt seems to be not  ready for 14.04
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to change
> >>> all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot of work to
> test the
> >>> integration of all of them). But with a 14.04 LTS, we can release a
> >>> "not-so-stable-and-finished" 14.10 Qt version, because we still can
> advise
> >>> people to keep 14.04. The goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS
> >>> version, and development the Qt version until it's stable enough to
> >>> completely switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1
> >>> version to maintain, 1 to develop).
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Julien Lavergne
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Julien:
> >>>
> >>> This approach makes good sense to me.  I agree, for what it's worth.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Aere
> >>>
> >>>
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> David,
>
> Julien is not dealing with governance anymore since sometime in
> 2012... that's why it'd be nice to have a Release Manager to do (or
> sort of do) the governance thing.
>
> So Julien is focused on development.
>
> Have you ever read The Art of Community, by Jono Bacon (Ubuntu
> Community Manager)?
>
> The 2nd edition is availalbe (free) at
> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/
>
>
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Re: Roadmap for 14.04

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-23 04:02, David Yentzen wrote:
> Ibere,
>   Thank you for your response.  I did not know this about Julien,
> however, I suspected something as such. The community does seem to be
> self-regulating for the most part but perhaps some type of consensus
> decision making style Release Manager may be of benefit.
>   No, I have not, yet, read Jono Bacon's book-its on my list. I have
> read Eric Raymond's CatB and Butler Shaffer's Boundaries of Order( a
> study of the nature of human organizations and institutions).
>   But, my original query still goes unanswered( and perhaps there is no
> answer)?
> 
> Best Regards,
> David

Hi David,

Do you mean this one:

"I understand there is not enough infrastructure currently to support
training, mentoring, and performing many changes prior to 14.04 roll
out. I am mostly concerned with the future development of our community.
Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and Linux) but also have no computer
background( all biological sciences and economics here), I rely on your
opinion and input. Are there any steps, you know of, that we as a
community can take now to attract and promote the technical human power
we need for a growing future?"

It seems to me, that we have to create those steps, if we want Lubuntu
to thrive ;-)

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quick start manual for the shell-script mkusb

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Mélodie,

You drowned in the tutorial about mkusb. So I made a 'Quick start
manual'. I hope it is better for you and other people, who have no time
to read long tutorials:
-
The fastest way to start making USB boot drives is to download the quick
start manual and the shell-script 'mkusb' and check the md5sums.

- Download the quick start manual and mkusb
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/scripts/

- View or download the quick start manual
http://ubuntuone.com/13HPbV48PmonVgkac8KK3l

- Check the md5sums
http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/md5sums-phillw.txt
-
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Nio Wiklund]

It happened again :-(

See this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281

and oldfred's reply in the following post.
-
"I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
snowball.

I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then
you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root).
Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could
do that.

I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
option unless they use an external drive. "
-
I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough
warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy
to fix it.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-24 23:42, Dale Visser wrote:
> I noticed a similar lack of warning in my upgrade install. I was on a VM
> with snapshot backup in place, but still... I noticed that of you don't
> read *everything* *carefully* before clicking, you could quickly pave
> something important.
> 
> As an aside, I couldn't figure if it was possible for me to pave my '/'
> partition, but leave my '/usr/local' and '/home' partitions alone.
> 
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: Andre Rodovalho 
> Sent: ‎10/‎24/‎2013 5:05 PM
> To: Iberê Fernandes 
> Cc: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com ; JM
> ; lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net
> ; Lubuntu Comms
> ; lubuntu user list
> 
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
> 
> I checked Ubiquity, when you choose dual boot option, next window on
> wizard show the "graph", lubuntu and Windows alongside... But if the
> replace option is selected, there is nothing but the Install now
> button... Once you hit that, it's all gone!
> 
> 
> 2013/10/24 Iberê Fernandes  >
> 
> 2013/10/24 Nio Wiklund  >
> 
> On 2013-10-24 17:36, JM wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:26:19 +0200
> > Nio Wiklund  > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everybody,
> >>
> >> Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
> partitioning
> >> dialogue of the desktop installer.
> >>
> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
> >>
> >> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
> windows and
> >> replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
> One with
> >> files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
> partition. When
> >> I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my
> C drive and
> >> not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
> >> partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
> have Ubuntu
> >> on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
> >>
> >> -o-
> >>
> >> This is what I have been telling, when describing the One
> Button Installer
> >>
> >> '...
> >> Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
> >>
> >> The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
> complicated to
> >> use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
> tool that
> >> is easier to use and just works.
> >> ...
> >> a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
> generally
> >> easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
> confused.
> >> There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
> installations,
> >> where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
> >>
> >> It is really too bad, and something that should be improved
> in 14.04
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Nio
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > A window with a warning in big and red could be added before
> the person can access to the
> > "apply" button. Something such as:
> >
> > WARNING YOU MIGHT DESTROY YOUR DATA : HAVE YOU DONE A BACKUP
> OF YOUR PERSONAL DATA BEFORE
> > PROCEEDING?
> >
> > ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO PROCEED?
> >
> > Followed by a "Yes" and a "Quit" button. (Perhaps not all in
>

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> It happened again :-(
>
> See this link
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281
>
> and oldfred's reply in the following post.
> -
> "I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
> seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
> snowball.
>
> I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then
> you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
> partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root).
> Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could
> do that.
>
> I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
> drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
> option unless they use an external drive. "
> -
> I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough
> warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy
> to fix it.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>

If anyone is interested, I am ready to chair a session (Google Hangout) to
discuss and do a brainstorming about this.

I still believe Ubiquity is not broken despite some bugs and to be fair, it
is not always the users' fault but maybe our fault too for not providing
clear and enough explanation? but then again, whenever I think about it, I
ended up to find out that most of those users are NOT actually 'reading'
because they are still dealing with Linux as it is just a Windows a like
system that whatever worked for them in Windows, might also work with Linux
- click click, next next, ok ok, cancel cancel, etc without reading - and
as all of you know, Linux is not Windows :)

We DO need to, not only spread the word of Linux/Ubuntu (and its flavours)
but to ALSO explain how to use that in the best and correct way.

Newcomers may not be interested in 'reading' so why not give them something
interested to watch for example?

I think we have discussed all the options in the past. IMHO, if anyone
really wants to end this discussion once and for all, I'd recommend to have
a meeting or brainstorming session to finish this because IMHO, it is a
waste of time to talk about it every now and then :) either to sit, talk
and reach to an agreement or roadmap of what we can do and what we can't do
or simply keep everything as it is a move forward and I'd choose the first
option :)

Thank you!

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-11-23 07:55, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Nio Wiklund  > wrote:
> 
> It happened again :-(
> 
> See this link
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281
> 
> and oldfred's reply in the following post.
> -
> "I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
> seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
> snowball.
> 
> I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then
> you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
> partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root).
> Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could
> do that.
> 
> I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
> drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
> option unless they use an external drive. "
> -
> I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough
> warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy
> to fix it.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> 
> If anyone is interested, I am ready to chair a session (Google Hangout)
> to discuss and do a brainstorming about this.
> 
> I still believe Ubiquity is not broken despite some bugs and to be fair,
> it is not always the users' fault but maybe our fault too for not
> providing clear and enough explanation? but then again, whenever I think
> about it, I ended up to find out that most of those users are NOT
> actually 'reading' because they are still dealing with Linux as it is
> just a Windows a like system that whatever worked for them in Windows,
> might also work with Linux - click click, next next, ok ok, cancel
> cancel, etc without reading - and as all of you know, Linux is not
> Windows :)
> 
> We DO need to, not only spread the word of Linux/Ubuntu (and its
> flavours) but to ALSO explain how to use that in the best and correct way.
> 
> Newcomers may not be interested in 'reading' so why not give them
> something interested to watch for example?
> 
> I think we have discussed all the options in the past. IMHO, if anyone
> really wants to end this discussion once and for all, I'd recommend to
> have a meeting or brainstorming session to finish this because IMHO, it
> is a waste of time to talk about it every now and then :) either to sit,
> talk and reach to an agreement or roadmap of what we can do and what we
> can't do or simply keep everything as it is a move forward and I'd
> choose the first option :)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
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> My Projects 

Hi Ali, Lyz, Nicholas and everybody else who cares about this problem,

We have discussed it, but the installers remain unchanged, and more
people overwrite their systems. How can we change the installers?

Should this issue be raised to the Ubuntu or Canonical level rather than
this Lubuntu discussion mail forum?

It would be nice with a video clip, but there is a big risk, that users
in the 'risk category' will not watch that video. A big red warning must
be there right in front of the user during the installation, and it
should be necessary to click somewhere else (and not only press the
Enter key) to get passed that warning.

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hello Lyz,


On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Israel  wrote:
> > I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS,
> and
> > playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources.  However,
> this
> > being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice.  Maybe having
> > lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and
> have
> > it configured).
>
> It may not be a consideration for Lubuntu, but for low vision users
> having sounds enabled by default helps a considerable amount. A login
> sounds help the user know that the desktop is loading, for instance.
>

This is a very valid point that I didn't think of. Indeed, this could help
those a lot. I agree :)



>
> Personally I turn them off too, nothing more embarrassing than a start
> up sound when I start up my computer during a talk at a conference :)
>

Haha, yes, I can tell :D


@Everyone
Is there a way to have Sound Event Feature either installed by default OR
can be installed later BUT in both cases, it won't be working by default
(autostart) unless the user him/her self enables it so in that case, the
user is the one and only person who will control how his/her system will
work :)

As we are using Linux, we should believe in all its philosophies and give
freedom to our users to choose from. Or at least explain all the options
and be clear that we can do it or we can't and why. I always believe
Documentation is, at some point, much more important than development.
IMHO, it is pointless to have the best developer on earth with the best
code/software on earth and there is no one knows how to use it, am I right?
:)

I also have an idea :)
@Sergio, Lubuntu needs to have this issue cleared and explained on the Wiki
Pages. I think I have seen something similar but not quite sure. But, the
FAQ Section need to be cleaned because it is a mess IMHO. It is very
important for the FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) to be up-to-date to
save time from discussing the same issue over and over again.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides

And, the above link is not really FAQs, it actually has nothing to do with
FAQs.

FAQs must be simple Q with simple A, that is all.

I'd suggest to have a new page for these kinds of FAQs to make life easier
for everyone and Serigo, you know you can have that in a blink of an eye if
you need :P let me know :) but I shall NOT create any new page unless I
know what you are planning, that is why I brought this to the table of
discussion. It is not really off-topic, the sound event topic is not new :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> On 2013-11-23 07:55, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Nio Wiklund  > > wrote:
> >
> > It happened again :-(
> >
> > See this link
> >
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281
> >
> > and oldfred's reply in the following post.
> > -
> > "I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
> > seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
> > snowball.
> >
> > I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but
> then
> > you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
> > partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like /
> (root).
> > Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions
> could
> > do that.
> >
> > I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
> > drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
> > option unless they use an external drive. "
> > -
> > I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not
> enough
> > warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be
> easy
> > to fix it.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
> > If anyone is interested, I am ready to chair a session (Google Hangout)
> > to discuss and do a brainstorming about this.
> >
> > I still believe Ubiquity is not broken despite some bugs and to be fair,
> > it is not always the users' fault but maybe our fault too for not
> > providing clear and enough explanation? but then again, whenever I think
> > about it, I ended up to find out that most of those users are NOT
> > actually 'reading' because they are still dealing with Linux as it is
> > just a Windows a like system that whatever worked for them in Windows,
> > might also work with Linux - click click, next next, ok ok, cancel
> > cancel, etc without reading - and as all of you know, Linux is not
> > Windows :)
> >
> > We DO need to, not only spread the word of Linux/Ubuntu (and its
> > flavours) but to ALSO explain how to use that in the best and correct
> way.
> >
> > Newcomers may not be interested in 'reading' so why not give them
> > something interested to watch for example?
> >
> > I think we have discussed all the options in the past. IMHO, if anyone
> > really wants to end this discussion once and for all, I'd recommend to
> > have a meeting or brainstorming session to finish this because IMHO, it
> > is a waste of time to talk about it every now and then :) either to sit,
> > talk and reach to an agreement or roadmap of what we can do and what we
> > can't do or simply keep everything as it is a move forward and I'd
> > choose the first option :)
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > Best Regards,
> > amjjawad 
> > Areas of Involvement <
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement>
> > My Projects 
>
> Hi Ali, Lyz, Nicholas and everybody else who cares about this problem,
>

Hi my friend,

I do care about this a lot, hence my replies :)


>
> We have discussed it, but the installers remain unchanged, and more
> people overwrite their systems. How can we change the installers?
>

Indeed, we have discussed that over and over again however, we are coming
back and start the loop from the beginning. I still think and believe it is
a problem with the mentality of the users not the installer. I mean, they
used to use Windows their entire life and they refuse to 'read' and 'be
careful' because they think Linux will read their minds and do what they
want magically without any error. Well, that is not entirely true. They
need to have some basic level of understanding before jumping in. My
opinion could be weird for someone who is newcomers advocate but I am
trying to be realistic.

If you want to change this, don't change the installer (don't fix it if it
is not broken) but try to change how those users are thinking or dealing
with their system. The warning is there, they failed to read it. Will
adding yet another warning will solve this issue 100%?


>
> Should this issue be raised to the Ubuntu or Canonical level rather than
> this Lubuntu discussion mail forum?
>

We need to agree and come up with a plan, that is all :)
Rather than keep us locked inside an infinite loop :D


>
> It would be nice with a video clip, but there is a big risk, that users
> in the 'risk category' will not watch that video.


You asked, you answered your own Q :D
If they failed to 'read' the warning and if they failed to 'watch' a video
then do you really think anything else will help?



> A big red warning must
> be there right in front of the user during the installation, and it
> should be necessary to click somewhere e