[LUTE] Re: Saltarello secondo della Duchessa and La Pistrinara

2011-07-29 Thread Ron Andrico
   Hi, Sean - Donna here, with my sixty four cents' worth.  According to
   the 1611 Florio's, a 'pistrina' is a bake-house or mill, and a
   'pistrinaro' is a miller, or baker.  'Pistrinara' doesn't merit a
   mention, but you can probably figure it out.
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:57:26 -0700
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: lutesm...@mac.com
Subject: [LUTE] Saltarello secondo della Duchessa and La Pistrinara
   
   
I've been spending a little time in the Intabulatura di Lauto del
[FdM] et PPBorrono, Libro secondo, 1546, Venice and I'm curious about
the first suite. La Duchessa is the 2nd of 3 saltarellos that
   follow
La Borroncina (a self reference to PPB? eg, Il Gorzanis) and also
appears in the Pacaloni trios. The passemezo and other saltarellos
   are
loose variations on it giving me the idea that it may be a signature
dance piece for PPB.
   
Any further information on the piece (or book) would be appreciated.
Any idea who la Duchessa may be?
   
An unexpected link from Pacaloni to the LeRoy guitar books surfaced
   in
the Saltarello, La Pistrinara. It appears to be a reworking of the
guitar song O combien est (Certon) and the melody is carried in the
Superius. As usual for Pacaloni, the chords are a little off but it
possibly argues for the Pacaloni Superius to be an A lute --or G lute
if we tune our guitars to G. This would argue for Stewart's
   suggestion
of a low trio for Pacaloni.
   
Speaking of the low tuning, recently we've been playing Pacaloni as
duos w/ a bass cittern tuned to C for the Bassus parts and the
Superius on a G lute. Very impressive and a big sound for only two of
us! I get the feeling from the flavor of the dances that PPB is
somewhat connected to it despite Pac's late date. Any ideas on that?
   
And the $.64 question: What is a la pistrinara?
   
many thanks in advance,
Sean
   
   
   
   
   
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[LUTE] Re: Saltarello secondo della Duchessa and La Pistrinara

2011-07-29 Thread Sean Smith


Thanks, Donna. It hadn't come up in the translate things and had to  
make sure

s


On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:

  Hi, Sean - Donna here, with my sixty four cents' worth.  According to
  the 1611 Florio's, a 'pistrina' is a bake-house or mill, and a
  'pistrinaro' is a miller, or baker.  'Pistrinara' doesn't merit a
  mention, but you can probably figure it out.

Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:57:26 -0700
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: lutesm...@mac.com
Subject: [LUTE] Saltarello secondo della Duchessa and La Pistrinara


I've been spending a little time in the Intabulatura di Lauto del
[FdM] et PPBorrono, Libro secondo, 1546, Venice and I'm curious about
the first suite. La Duchessa is the 2nd of 3 saltarellos that

  follow

La Borroncina (a self reference to PPB? eg, Il Gorzanis) and also
appears in the Pacaloni trios. The passemezo and other saltarellos

  are

loose variations on it giving me the idea that it may be a signature
dance piece for PPB.

Any further information on the piece (or book) would be appreciated.
Any idea who la Duchessa may be?

An unexpected link from Pacaloni to the LeRoy guitar books surfaced

  in

the Saltarello, La Pistrinara. It appears to be a reworking of the
guitar song O combien est (Certon) and the melody is carried in the
Superius. As usual for Pacaloni, the chords are a little off but it
possibly argues for the Pacaloni Superius to be an A lute --or G lute
if we tune our guitars to G. This would argue for Stewart's

  suggestion

of a low trio for Pacaloni.

Speaking of the low tuning, recently we've been playing Pacaloni as
duos w/ a bass cittern tuned to C for the Bassus parts and the
Superius on a G lute. Very impressive and a big sound for only two of
us! I get the feeling from the flavor of the dances that PPB is
somewhat connected to it despite Pac's late date. Any ideas on that?

And the $.64 question: What is a la pistrinara?

many thanks in advance,
Sean





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