Re: Voice Recognition Accessibility
On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 06:29:53PM -0500, Jodin Morey wrote: > The main barrier I face right now (other than the time it will take to > develop all of the scripts), is that many of the mathematical objects in Lyx > are not available either through a menubar or keystroke. So my request to > the developers would be to add keystroke accessibility to as many > mathematical objects as possible. To make things easier, these keystrokes > do not need to be documented in any way. You needn't add the keystroke > information on the user interface (for example, when you hover your mouse > over the button for the math object, or in the help documentation). The > point would not be to offer the average user a quick keystroke. And to that > end, the keystroke could be very obscure (e.g., Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Meta+K), it > doesn't need to be simple at all. Doing this does not limit Dragon > Dictate's ability to type the keystroke, and simultaneously opens up a lot > of keystrokes. Does Nuance Dragon Dictate allows outputing the sequence of characters? If yes you probably don't need to invent binding catalogoue for LyX at all. E.g. if you are in math mode (ctrl+m) you don't need keybinding for \varOmega, you just need to type "\varOmega"+space and its done. Alternatively you can avoid math mode and write in pure LaTeX in ERT (via ctrl+l) as others suggested. In both case there seems nothing to be done on LyX part. Good luck, Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Voice Recognition Accessibility
Thanks Tim, Being new to the program, I hadn't seen that possibility. Actually, I have already created a bunch of Dragon Dictate scripts that generate the LaTeX for another program (Tex Studio), so I think I will be able to fairly easily port it in that way. Thanks for the idea. Then there is no need to mess with the binding. On 8/3/2022 10:27 PM, t...@wescottdesign.com wrote: Consider instead setting up Nuance Dragon Dictate to put LyX into LaTeX insertion mode, then translate LaTeX directly. This will give you everything that LyX can give you, with the benefit -- to other users if not immediately to you -- of being useful for any tool that supports LaTeX, not least being folks who might light to author documents in LaTeX directly. Quoting Jodin Morey : Hello Lyx Developers, My name is Jodin, and I recently graduated with my doctorate in mathematics. I have a disability which requires me to use voice recognition to input mathematics into my computer. For the last 10 years or so, I have used three pieces of software (on Windows) to accomplish this. However, recently two of these software packages (Scientific Notebook and MathTalk) stopped being supported (the underlying companies went out of business). As a result, I have been looking for some other software I might be able to use. The voice recognition software I use (the primary desktop voice recognition software in existence) is Nuance Dragon Dictate. It was recently purchased by Microsoft, so it is doubtful that this piece of software will become unsupported anytime soon. However, there are no longer any off-the-shelf software packages which translate the recognized words into math, so I am interested in developing something along these lines. In particular, I thought I might develop something around Lyx. It's unfortunate that the voice technology allowing people with disabilities to write mathematics has recently disappeared. I am hopeful that Lyx can become the future provider of this capability. I like Lyx because it is open source, and I wish to avoid relying on another piece of software that is profit based, and might go out of business someday. The idea is to create hundreds of scripts in Dragon Dictate. That way, when I say "VarOmega," for example, Dragon Dictate will turn my voice into words, recognize the words as a Dragon Dictate Script, which can then choose from a pulldown menu on Lyx, or just enter the right keystrokes. The main barrier I face right now (other than the time it will take to develop all of the scripts), is that many of the mathematical objects in Lyx are not available either through a menubar or keystroke. So my request to the developers would be to add keystroke accessibility to as many mathematical objects as possible. To make things easier, these keystrokes do not need to be documented in any way. You needn't add the keystroke information on the user interface (for example, when you hover your mouse over the button for the math object, or in the help documentation). The point would not be to offer the average user a quick keystroke. And to that end, the keystroke could be very obscure (e.g., Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Meta+K), it doesn't need to be simple at all. Doing this does not limit Dragon Dictate's ability to type the keystroke, and simultaneously opens up a lot of keystrokes. Regardless, I will start developing this the voice recognition capacity with the keystrokes you currently have available, as I need it for my own purposes. However, I believe developing this more comprehensively is an important thing for the disability community. And I believe the coding effort required is somewhat minimal. -- Jodin -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- Jodin -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Voice Recognition Accessibility
I purchased a Dragon Dictate license for the Mac exactly 4 weeks before they discontinued the Mac Support. I was never able to dictate into the Mac LyX, so I went through a small detour dictating MarkDown which is much easier to dictate than LaTeX, and worked extremely well for me. I spent some time on a PanDoc Template, and so the translation into LyX works perfectly. Use a Makefile and include files for example. That said, from what I read, maths in MarkDown are LaTeX anyway, so if you can dictate (normal text) into LyX the solution below (ERT) should do quite well. greetings, el On 04/08/2022 05:27, t...@wescottdesign.com wrote: I can't help you directly -- but consider instead setting up Nuance Dragon Dictate to put LyX into LaTeX insertion mode, then translate LaTeX directly. This will give you everything that LyX can give you, with the benefit -- to other users if not immediately to you -- of being useful for any tool that supports LaTeX, not least being folks who might light to author documents in LaTeX directly. [...] -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el' -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Voice Recognition Accessibility
I can't help you directly -- but consider instead setting up Nuance Dragon Dictate to put LyX into LaTeX insertion mode, then translate LaTeX directly. This will give you everything that LyX can give you, with the benefit -- to other users if not immediately to you -- of being useful for any tool that supports LaTeX, not least being folks who might light to author documents in LaTeX directly. Quoting Jodin Morey : Hello Lyx Developers, My name is Jodin, and I recently graduated with my doctorate in mathematics. I have a disability which requires me to use voice recognition to input mathematics into my computer. For the last 10 years or so, I have used three pieces of software (on Windows) to accomplish this. However, recently two of these software packages (Scientific Notebook and MathTalk) stopped being supported (the underlying companies went out of business). As a result, I have been looking for some other software I might be able to use. The voice recognition software I use (the primary desktop voice recognition software in existence) is Nuance Dragon Dictate. It was recently purchased by Microsoft, so it is doubtful that this piece of software will become unsupported anytime soon. However, there are no longer any off-the-shelf software packages which translate the recognized words into math, so I am interested in developing something along these lines. In particular, I thought I might develop something around Lyx. It's unfortunate that the voice technology allowing people with disabilities to write mathematics has recently disappeared. I am hopeful that Lyx can become the future provider of this capability. I like Lyx because it is open source, and I wish to avoid relying on another piece of software that is profit based, and might go out of business someday. The idea is to create hundreds of scripts in Dragon Dictate. That way, when I say "VarOmega," for example, Dragon Dictate will turn my voice into words, recognize the words as a Dragon Dictate Script, which can then choose from a pulldown menu on Lyx, or just enter the right keystrokes. The main barrier I face right now (other than the time it will take to develop all of the scripts), is that many of the mathematical objects in Lyx are not available either through a menubar or keystroke. So my request to the developers would be to add keystroke accessibility to as many mathematical objects as possible. To make things easier, these keystrokes do not need to be documented in any way. You needn't add the keystroke information on the user interface (for example, when you hover your mouse over the button for the math object, or in the help documentation). The point would not be to offer the average user a quick keystroke. And to that end, the keystroke could be very obscure (e.g., Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Meta+K), it doesn't need to be simple at all. Doing this does not limit Dragon Dictate's ability to type the keystroke, and simultaneously opens up a lot of keystrokes. Regardless, I will start developing this the voice recognition capacity with the keystrokes you currently have available, as I need it for my own purposes. However, I believe developing this more comprehensively is an important thing for the disability community. And I believe the coding effort required is somewhat minimal. -- Jodin -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Voice Recognition Accessibility
On 8/3/22 19:29, Jodin Morey wrote: Hello Lyx Developers, My name is Jodin, and I recently graduated with my doctorate in mathematics. I have a disability which requires me to use voice recognition to input mathematics into my computer. For the last 10 years or so, I have used three pieces of software (on Windows) to accomplish this. However, recently two of these software packages (Scientific Notebook and MathTalk) stopped being supported (the underlying companies went out of business). As a result, I have been looking for some other software I might be able to use. The voice recognition software I use (the primary desktop voice recognition software in existence) is Nuance Dragon Dictate. It was recently purchased by Microsoft, so it is doubtful that this piece of software will become unsupported anytime soon. However, there are no longer any off-the-shelf software packages which translate the recognized words into math, so I am interested in developing something along these lines. In particular, I thought I might develop something around Lyx. It's unfortunate that the voice technology allowing people with disabilities to write mathematics has recently disappeared. I am hopeful that Lyx can become the future provider of this capability. I like Lyx because it is open source, and I wish to avoid relying on another piece of software that is profit based, and might go out of business someday. The idea is to create hundreds of scripts in Dragon Dictate. That way, when I say "VarOmega," for example, Dragon Dictate will turn my voice into words, recognize the words as a Dragon Dictate Script, which can then choose from a pulldown menu on Lyx, or just enter the right keystrokes. The main barrier I face right now (other than the time it will take to develop all of the scripts), is that many of the mathematical objects in Lyx are not available either through a menubar or keystroke. So my request to the developers would be to add keystroke accessibility to as many mathematical objects as possible. To make things easier, these keystrokes do not need to be documented in any way. You needn't add the keystroke information on the user interface (for example, when you hover your mouse over the button for the math object, or in the help documentation). The point would not be to offer the average user a quick keystroke. And to that end, the keystroke could be very obscure (e.g., Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Meta+K), it doesn't need to be simple at all. Doing this does not limit Dragon Dictate's ability to type the keystroke, and simultaneously opens up a lot of keystrokes. Regardless, I will start developing this the voice recognition capacity with the keystrokes you currently have available, as I need it for my own purposes. However, I believe developing this more comprehensively is an important thing for the disability community. And I believe the coding effort required is somewhat minimal. LyX uses "bind" files to associate keystrokes with symbols or commands. There is a file named "math.bind" that comes with LyX (found in /usr/share/lyx/bind on Linux systems) that contains bindings for math objects. It does not have a binding for \varOmega, but for instance the key combo "alt+m g shift+E" (without the spaces) inserts \varepsilon. The math.bind file is actually a child file, loaded by the main bind file the user opts to use. In my case, that is cua.bind, located in the same directory. (The user's choice of main bind file is made at Tools > Preferences... > Editing > Shortcuts > Bind file.) So someone (you?) could create an alternative version of math.bind with a new name, adding whatever symbols you wish using obscure/unused shortcuts, and then create a new version of a main bind file that loaded the expanded math bind file. Alternatively, someone (you?) could put the new definitions in a new file (say math2.bind) and then load math2.bind in addition to math.bind from the main bind file of choice. Paul -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Voice Recognition Accessibility
Hello Lyx Developers, My name is Jodin, and I recently graduated with my doctorate in mathematics. I have a disability which requires me to use voice recognition to input mathematics into my computer. For the last 10 years or so, I have used three pieces of software (on Windows) to accomplish this. However, recently two of these software packages (Scientific Notebook and MathTalk) stopped being supported (the underlying companies went out of business). As a result, I have been looking for some other software I might be able to use. The voice recognition software I use (the primary desktop voice recognition software in existence) is Nuance Dragon Dictate. It was recently purchased by Microsoft, so it is doubtful that this piece of software will become unsupported anytime soon. However, there are no longer any off-the-shelf software packages which translate the recognized words into math, so I am interested in developing something along these lines. In particular, I thought I might develop something around Lyx. It's unfortunate that the voice technology allowing people with disabilities to write mathematics has recently disappeared. I am hopeful that Lyx can become the future provider of this capability. I like Lyx because it is open source, and I wish to avoid relying on another piece of software that is profit based, and might go out of business someday. The idea is to create hundreds of scripts in Dragon Dictate. That way, when I say "VarOmega," for example, Dragon Dictate will turn my voice into words, recognize the words as a Dragon Dictate Script, which can then choose from a pulldown menu on Lyx, or just enter the right keystrokes. The main barrier I face right now (other than the time it will take to develop all of the scripts), is that many of the mathematical objects in Lyx are not available either through a menubar or keystroke. So my request to the developers would be to add keystroke accessibility to as many mathematical objects as possible. To make things easier, these keystrokes do not need to be documented in any way. You needn't add the keystroke information on the user interface (for example, when you hover your mouse over the button for the math object, or in the help documentation). The point would not be to offer the average user a quick keystroke. And to that end, the keystroke could be very obscure (e.g., Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Meta+K), it doesn't need to be simple at all. Doing this does not limit Dragon Dictate's ability to type the keystroke, and simultaneously opens up a lot of keystrokes. Regardless, I will start developing this the voice recognition capacity with the keystrokes you currently have available, as I need it for my own purposes. However, I believe developing this more comprehensively is an important thing for the disability community. And I believe the coding effort required is somewhat minimal. -- Jodin -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
