Re: Question: Reading Webpages

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi Sarah,

I'm aware of that keystroke. My issues are with reading search result 
descriptions, not titles.


Thanks.
On 10/31/2013 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Why don't you just use your next and previous heading keystrokes. I can 
navigate the Google search results fairly quickly. Look that up in the vo 
manual.
There are also next and same heading and element keystrokes.

Tc.


On Oct 31, 2013, at 0:13, Parham Doustdar  wrote:

Hi Travis,

I'm aware of highlighting and the page markup being in different bits.

However, I have to reiterate here: I'm not trying to find what problems 
Voiceover has, I'm just trying to see if they are possible to circumvent. That 
is, I'm trying to see how I can get an experience like that of Windows/Linux 
screen readers so that it would fall into my comfort zone.

David kindly mentioned that every screen reader has its own quirks and 
advantages, and that I shouldn't expect Voiceover to deliver the same 
experience, Google highlighting the results or not. From that message, I 
extracted the following answer to my question:

"For _any_ reason, to read Google search results, you have to move to the next 
object several times. There is no way to lower the number of keystrokes (I.E. switching 
to read by line and then headings and back takes as many, or even more, keystrokes than 
going through the website address and the highlighted words in the website 
description)."

Hope that recap helps someone else in the future :)

On 10/30/2013 5:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
One thing to keep in mind about search results from google is that google has 
the habbit of highlighting any search terms in the search results.  This has 
the unfortunate result of sometimes putting breaks where they really shouldn't 
be, and vo acts accordingly.  It is a bit irritating, but you get used to it.
It's not a problem with voiceover, it's how the results are displayed, vo has 
no control over that.

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Re: mavericks or mountain lion?

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi Ian,

I'm using Maveriks and gmail, but don't have the issues you mentioned. 
When you are prompted for the incoming server, you just haveto change 
the server type fr om"impa" to "pop" and enter "pop.gmail.com" in the 
server address field, then you'd be good to go.


HTH
On 11/2/2013 12:29 AM, Ian McNamara wrote:

Hi I am a maverick user and I would agree. If you are a gmail user i’d advise 
that you think very carefully before upgrading as the way gmail is handled is a 
lot different. I personally don’t like it because now you have to have your all 
male folder showing and it took me days to get everything from the server again 
and clear it. The Ibooks is nice though on the mac but i’ve not worked out how 
to get back to the beginning of a book yet, also there are some accessibility 
issues with Ibooks that apple are currently working on. For example the buttons 
are not properly labeled yet.

Ian McNamara
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Is there a way to make 2 boot disks via partitions?

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hello to my mac gurus. I have an odd question for you all.

I have a friend who wants to do this. He already has a ML partition on a 32 gig 
flash drive. My thinking is he can make another  partition on said drive and 
create another boot partition with mavericks. We tried to do this but ended up 
removing all the partitions and starting over. When we went to disk utility and 
clicked add partition it added one, but made it 16 mb. We could not change this 
to 16 gigs no matter what we did including trying to type gb.

Next we created 2 partitions and called one 10.8.5 j and one 10.9. He is still 
on ML so we ran lion disk maker and it erased all of the partitions on the 
volume and made it 1 big 32 gig partition with 10.8.5 on it. Is there a way to 
preserve the 10.8l5 boot disk and create a mavericks install boot disk using 
the terminal command, and would the terminal command work with the ML thing so 
maybe we could do both partitions?

Thanks and be blessed.


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Re: DigitEyes

[Amber H]

Hi Glenn,
As far as I know, (I have it as well), you go on line to do it. Log into the 
website, and there are links to allow you to print out your labels. You choose 
size and type, and they print by you setting the labels inside the printer tray.
That probably didn't help much, and I have never printed them, but maybe it at 
least gives you a starting point. I believe there are actually directions on 
the website, if you do go on and look.
HTH,
Amber

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> Hi,
> I have the paid version of DigitEyes on my iPhone.
> It seems to me that this app allowed one to make their own labels in the 
> paid version.
> Does anyone know how we go about getting the barcodes to the printer?
> Thanks.
> Glenn 
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DigitEyes

[Glenn]

Hi,
I have the paid version of DigitEyes on my iPhone.
It seems to me that this app allowed one to make their own labels in the 
paid version.
Does anyone know how we go about getting the barcodes to the printer?
Thanks.
Glenn 

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Re: problem sorted.

[Danny Noonan]

The other solution at least in ml is rather than do command I do vo shift m and 
select open from the context menu. This will give you an extra option to open 
anyway. 


Danny. 
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> Hi all problem is sorted, I just had to go in to system preferences and tell 
> my mac to allow things to open that have been downloaded from anywhere. go in 
> to security and privacy settings and click the lock then select the radio 
> button to allow apps downloaded from anywhere to be opened.
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Apple Working on Fix for OS X Mavericks Mail App Issues - Mac Rumors

[George Cham]

Thought id pass this on 
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/31/apple-working-on-fix-for-os-x-mavericks-mail-app-issues/



George,

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problem sorted.

[Ian McNamara]

Hi all problem is sorted, I just had to go in to system preferences and tell my 
mac to allow things to open that have been downloaded from anywhere. go in to 
security and privacy settings and click the lock then select the radio button 
to allow apps downloaded from anywhere to be opened.

Ian McNamara
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Re: mavericks or mountain lion?

[Ian McNamara]

Hi I am a maverick user and I would agree. If you are a gmail user i’d advise 
that you think very carefully before upgrading as the way gmail is handled is a 
lot different. I personally don’t like it because now you have to have your all 
male folder showing and it took me days to get everything from the server again 
and clear it. The Ibooks is nice though on the mac but i’ve not worked out how 
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issues with Ibooks that apple are currently working on. For example the buttons 
are not properly labeled yet. 

Ian McNamara
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Re: Finder busy, when going through folders with a lot of files in them in Mavericks?

[Sarah k Alawami]

I also notieced in the latest ml and I”m running a dool  core with 4 gigs of 
ram. I don’t mush know how to get around it but it drives me nuts as even my 
computer list drive lags and there’s lil 4 items in there lol!

Take care.
On Nov 1, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> Hi all, in Mavericks now, I noticed that when I’m attempting to go through a 
> folder that has a lot of files in it, that I’m getting finder busy and it’s 
> locking up.  This is on a late 2012 iMac, with 16 gb ram, and a 3.1 ghz quad 
> core i7 processor.  A friend of mine is also getting this on her   early 2011 
> Macbook pro, one of the first ones to have thunderbolt.Is anyone else 
> getting this?  If so how are they working around it?  If it would make a 
> difference, we both did upgrades overtop of Mountain lion, rather than clean 
> installs.  
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Re: Finder busy, when going through folders with a lot of files in them in Mavericks?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI Dan,

Yep can confirm I’m getting this on two separate machines.  One is an iMac 
(same as yours) the other a much older Macbook Pro.

To get around it I press cmd-option-escape to bring up the force quit window, 
then relaunch finder.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 1 Nov 2013, at 16:43, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> Hi all, in Mavericks now, I noticed that when I’m attempting to go through a 
> folder that has a lot of files in it, that I’m getting finder busy and it’s 
> locking up.  This is on a late 2012 iMac, with 16 gb ram, and a 3.1 ghz quad 
> core i7 processor.  A friend of mine is also getting this on her   early 2011 
> Macbook pro, one of the first ones to have thunderbolt.Is anyone else 
> getting this?  If so how are they working around it?  If it would make a 
> difference, we both did upgrades overtop of Mountain lion, rather than clean 
> installs.  
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Re: safari

[Dan Eickmeier]

Hi Shannon, there is absolutely a way to go through links.  VO U, to access the 
web router, will allow you to not only go through links, it’ll do headings, and 
other things.  Left, and right arrowing, Will allow you to switch between 
links, headings, etc.  Hope this helps. 
On Oct 31, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Shannon Reece  
wrote:

> Greetings, it's Shannon again, the new Mac user. Smile.
> I have heard there is no way of going through links on a safari page, as 
> there is in, say, JFW's links list in Windows. Firstly, is this true?
> and if so, what is the best way to handle a Safari page? I tend to use the 
> track pad or flick through using VO right or left arrows.
> An exampel of my struggle happened today on the New York Times Page. I saw a 
> link that said "single page", which puts the whole article on one page, and 
> this is how I like to read my articles inWindows because you avoid all the 
> junk.
> But in Safari, I could not stop VoiceOver in time and there seemed to be no 
> quick way to get back to the single page link. Any ideas? I turned on 
> keyboard navigation so now if I press h for example I get to headings, but 
> is there anything else I can do?
> And if I may, I also have a question about the reader command. In plowing 
> through Safari preferences, I saw that the reader command was hidden. SoI 
> showed it. So far none of the pages I visit have a reader option. Does VO 
> speak that reader is available like it does on the iPhone?
> There is much I like about Safari, how it comes up and instantaneously plays 
> a video or audio, but navigating through a page gives me a headache. Smile.
> Also my Mac is new, so it's got OS10 and all the latest updates.
> thanks for any help.
> I have been a quiet lurker here over the past month, trying to learn before 
> I made my purchase, and you all are very helpful.
> Shannon 
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Finder busy, when going through folders with a lot of files in them in Mavericks?

[Dan Eickmeier]

Hi all, in Mavericks now, I noticed that when I’m attempting to go through a 
folder that has a lot of files in it, that I’m getting finder busy and it’s 
locking up.  This is on a late 2012 iMac, with 16 gb ram, and a 3.1 ghz quad 
core i7 processor.  A friend of mine is also getting this on her   early 2011 
Macbook pro, one of the first ones to have thunderbolt.Is anyone else 
getting this?  If so how are they working around it?  If it would make a 
difference, we both did upgrades overtop of Mountain lion, rather than clean 
installs.  
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Re: mavericks or mountain lion?

[Mike Arrigo]

You may want to stick with mountain lion for a while yet, until the 
first update for 10.9 is released. There are a few issues with mavericks.

Original message:
I've been on vacation for the past couple of weeks, so missed a lot of 
the mavericks thread.  I'm fairly new to using the mac, and was 
wondering if most people on this list now prefer mavericks over 
mountain lion or mountain lion over mavericks.  What do I need to look 
for when installing mavericks?  I don't want to mess up during the 
installation because this computer is the only working one I have right 
now.  Does the mail program handle yahoo mail better than mountain 
lion's version of mail?  thanks.

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RE: Starting a degree advice needed

[David Griffith]

Congratulations.. I am completely blind and have done several degrees
culminating in a PhD this year so it  is perfectly possible to get
successfully through these.

Increasingly the Amazon Kindle Library is  providing access  to many Text
books which will be accessible on your phone if not your Mac.  This is an
important resource though luckily for History students there is also a lot
of historical texts which are available  freely in the public domain through
Gutenberg and Internet File Archive.

Nevertheless a good  scanning solution is essential as even in History it is
inevitable that much material will only be available in print format. In the
end I used to use a support worker to go and scan whatever book I needed
using and EyePal portable scanner attached to her laptop. She then uploaded
the jpg page image files in a zip file to sendspace and after I downloaded
them I found that  I got good results using Abbey Finereader to convert the
documents rather than use the default EyePal software on my Mac. I used
Finereader on Windows but see no reason why it should not do as well on the
Mac.
This meant I did not waste time going to libraries where I could not read
books and could get on with something else. The British Library in
particular were very supportive of this arrangement. You will need DSA
support for this.

Unfortunately the disadvantage of this approach is that on occasions you
will not get good scanning results. If a book is absolutely critical it may
be better to read as you scan at home as you can rescan in the event that
gibberish is the outcome of the scan.

Try and get agreement that page references can be substituted by location
references if your material is in electronic format. If a text document is
in plain text and does not have embedded page numbers for references I used
the page number generated by Word using Normal.dot format. You may have to
do something similar with numbers generated by pages. 

The new ability of Pages to read tables on the Mac increases the feasibility
of using the Mac for serious study. Abby Finereader is the best engine I
have found for scanning tables.

I would still use TextEdit for reading long documents / books as you are not
restricted to a page in say all mode. Adobe Digital editions is a possible
solutions for ePub Books but hopefully iBooks on the Mac will improve  soon.
Remember that the VO command VO Shift C will Copy the last phrase spoken to
clipboard  so you can get accessible access to ePub books to check spelling
of names etc.

Remember that Google Scholar is your friend in trying to research subjects
or follow lines of academic enquiry.

Personally I found setting VO Punctuation to all whilst I am writing is
necessary as otherwise I do not get sufficient feedback on errors such as
multiple full stops...
Also rather than experience frustration with the Blackboard system I
recommend You encourage your lecturers  to email class material to you in
advance of lectures as a reasonable adjustment. Unless Blackboard has
significantly improved since I used it, it is more hassle than it is worth
for a blind student. It is partially accessible but as I say it  is best to
avoid if you can.

Happy to give further advice if needed but this email will probably become
too long.

David Griffith




-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Ian Harrison
Sent: 01 November 2013 14:36
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Starting a degree advice needed

Dear listers,
I am going to be starting history degree next year at the grand old age of
56. I never did a degree when younger and was hoping for some advice from
those who have done one with a visual impairment.

When it comes to reading and writingI consider myself totally blind and use
voice over in the main, on my iphone and ipad mini, with a mac mini at home.

Any help as to what I will need specifically for doing a degree would be
greatly appreciated.

Please contact me off list on m...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk

Ian
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Re: error i am getting.

[Bryan Jones]

Try bringing up the context/shortcut menu for the downloaded item and choose 
Open from that menu. This should give you the option to use the file. 

If you are comfortable making global changes to your security settings for 
downloaded content, try System Prefs / Security & Privacy / General / Allow 
Apps Downloaded from….

HTH,
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On Nov 1, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Ian McNamara  wrote:
> Hi since upgrading to maverick I am getting a problem. When I try to open a 
> file that i’ve downloaded with COG the media player of my choice I keep 
> getting an error. It keeps saying that the file can’t be opened because it’s 
> not from an identified developer. I never had this problem before and could 
> just open any file that was mp3 I downloaded with the cog player. Wonder if 
> anyone can help.
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Starting a degree advice needed

[Ian Harrison]

Dear listers,
I am going to be starting history degree next year at the grand old age of 56. 
I never did a degree when younger and was hoping for some advice from those who 
have done one with a visual impairment.

When it comes to reading and writingI consider myself totally blind and use 
voice over in the main, on my iphone and ipad mini, with a mac mini at home.

Any help as to what I will need specifically for doing a degree would be 
greatly appreciated.

Please contact me off list on m...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk

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mavericks or mountain lion?

[melissa tucker]

I've been on vacation for the past couple of weeks, so missed a lot of the 
mavericks thread.  I'm fairly new to using the mac, and was wondering if most 
people on this list now prefer mavericks over mountain lion or mountain lion 
over mavericks.  What do I need to look for when installing mavericks?  I don't 
want to mess up during the installation because this computer is the only 
working one I have right now.  Does the mail program handle yahoo mail better 
than mountain lion's version of mail?  thanks.
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Re: not saying selected

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Hi mate it does the same to me also. I have to say I like mavericks but I find 
it can be slow to load things sometimes.

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error i am getting.

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Hi since upgrading to maverick I am getting a problem. When I try to open a 
file that i’ve downloaded with COG the media player of my choice I keep getting 
an error. It keeps saying that the file can’t be opened because it’s not from 
an identified developer. I never had this problem before and could just open 
any file that was mp3 I downloaded with the cog player. Wonder if anyone can 
help.

Thanks very much in advance.

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Re: keychain

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True well in that case am not sure either. Perhaps it's more useful on 
iOS however Keychain can also be used to generate passwords.


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On 01/11/2013 11:40, William Lomas wrote:

but i thought safari remembered all my details anyways?

On 1 Nov 2013, at 11:34, Chris H  wrote:


It's so the credentials are synced across all devices and is not intended to 
remember them for you however Safari can autofill them if necessary and this is 
now part of Keychain.

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hi all how please does iCloud keychain work?
if i go to amazon etc. they already have my card details all i enter is the 
security code so i don’t understand its use?

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Re: Pages: exporting to other formats

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You're probably right.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
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>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 4:43 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
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>> My God, sounds more inaccessible than before.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> If you’re using the new Pages, the export function does not work as 
>>> expected. Whatever you select in the Export submenu has no effect on the 
>>> format. You have to interact with each Unknown on the next screen until you 
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Re: Pages: exporting to other formats

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I’ve reported this one to Apple Accessibility a few days back. I’m sure it was 
an oversight.
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> My God, sounds more inaccessible than before.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Pages: exporting to other formats

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My God, sounds more inaccessible than before.

Sent from my iPhone

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not saying selected

[William Lomas]

hi all i now note in mac 10.9 as you are in finder that voiceover does 
not say selected when on a file or folder?
it is like cursor tracking is off when in fact it is enabled is this right 
behaviour?
regards and thanks to all 
will

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Re: keychain

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but i thought safari remembered all my details anyways?

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> is now part of Keychain.
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>> hi all how please does iCloud keychain work?
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>> security code so i don’t understand its use?
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Pages: exporting to other formats

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

If you’re using the new Pages, the export function does not work as expected. 
Whatever you select in the Export submenu has no effect on the format. You have 
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want, then bring the mouse and do a VO-Shift-Space bar click.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: keychain

[Chris H]

It's so the credentials are synced across all devices and is not 
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hi all how please does iCloud keychain work?
if i go to amazon etc. they already have my card details all i enter is the 
security code so i don’t understand its use?

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keychain

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hi all how please does iCloud keychain work?
if i go to amazon etc. they already have my card details all i enter is the 
security code so i don’t understand its use?

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