Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
ds wrote: > What about pressing + and - at the same time? At least if I remember > correctly the N800 was able to signalize this. If + and - are beside > each other on N900 this might be comparable to the place where N800 had > the button (between + and -) The N900 hardware does not allow that. The button is build in a way that you can press + or -, not both at the same time. Personally I think I like Ctrl+Space and I don´t know any application which is using it already. I didn´t do extensive checks, though :) Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
On 10/21/09, Nathan Anderson wrote: > > Luca, > > You would already have to have the keyboard open if you used Ctrl-S or > Ctrl-Shift-F, Ctrl-F could be used for Find. Ctrl-S could be Save. Using > Ctrl- is hazardous since different apps have different > requirements. > You have a point here. My guesses for universal keys that all apps could accept for full screen > would be: (It would be good if we make it as universal as possible so as > not to confuse end users) > > Ctrl->Volume (Would possibly be used by a music program to switch mp3's > tracks playing) > Ctrl->Camera (could be used by a camera app to do something different > (HDR?)) > Ctrl->Power (If Possible, this might be imo the best one -- I can't think > of any reason for any other program to use as a hotkey) > Ctrl->Space (I can't think of any reason a app would need to map this as > a "normal" hotkey either) > I think that both would do, but for the reason I stated before, I like Ctrl+Space the better. Anything else on the keyboard ( > http://www.nokian900.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Nokia-N900-front-open-keyboard.jpg) > would > be easily up for application control and I can't see how we could make is a > universal recommendation. > > Nathan. > > -- > *From:* Luca Donaggio [mailto:donag...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:17 AM > *To:* Nathan Anderson > *Cc:* maemo-developers@maemo.org > *Subject:* Re: Full Screen Hotkey? > > I think that any combination of CTRL+ would > be a little awkward (CTRL is in the slideing keybord, other buttons are on > the sides of the device). > I would prefer an all-with-the-keyboard combination. > > Luca Donaggio > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nathan Anderson < > nat...@andersonsplace.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what >> about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. >> That >> way you aren't actually "taking" overriding a existing "used" key. And it >> could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used >> for some other hotkey. >> >> Nathan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org >> [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM >> To: ext ds >> Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org >> Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer >> >> Hi, >> >> ext ds wrote: >> > Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: >> >> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: >> >>> I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some >> >>> feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it >> >>> should not be a big deal:-) >> >>> >> >>> But first I want to have it running an the N900. >> >> I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list >> >> allows that). >> > >> > Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! >> >> Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least >> >> it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. >> >> >> > I got a message from maemo admin: >> > After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there >> > seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. >> > >> > Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or >> > toggle full screen anymore? >> >> Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as >> proposed in another mail. >> >> >>- Eero >> >> PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for >> the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or >> closing the application from the power menu "End task" button). >> ___ >> maemo-developers mailing list >> maemo-developers@maemo.org >> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers >> >> ___ >> maemo-developers mailing list >> maemo-developers@maemo.org >> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers >> > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
What about pressing + and - at the same time? At least if I remember correctly the N800 was able to signalize this. If + and - are beside each other on N900 this might be comparable to the place where N800 had the button (between + and -) Detlef Am Mittwoch, den 21.10.2009, 09:53 -0500 schrieb Nathan Anderson: > > Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what > about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That > way you aren't actually "taking" overriding a existing "used" key. And it > could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used > for some other hotkey. > > Nathan > > -Original Message- > From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org > [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM > To: ext ds > Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer > > Hi, > > ext ds wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: > >> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: > >>> I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some > >>> feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it > >>> should not be a big deal:-) > >>> > >>> But first I want to have it running an the N900. > >> I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list > >> allows that). > > > > Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! > >> Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least > >> it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. > >> > > I got a message from maemo admin: > > After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there > > seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. > > > > Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or > > toggle full screen anymore? > > Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as > proposed in another mail. > > > - Eero > > PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for > the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or > closing the application from the power menu "End task" button). > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Full Screen Hotkey?
Luca, You would already have to have the keyboard open if you used Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Shift-F, Ctrl-F could be used for Find. Ctrl-S could be Save. Using Ctrl- is hazardous since different apps have different requirements. My guesses for universal keys that all apps could accept for full screen would be: (It would be good if we make it as universal as possible so as not to confuse end users) Ctrl->Volume (Would possibly be used by a music program to switch mp3's tracks playing) Ctrl->Camera (could be used by a camera app to do something different (HDR?)) Ctrl->Power (If Possible, this might be imo the best one -- I can't think of any reason for any other program to use as a hotkey) Ctrl->Space (I can't think of any reason a app would need to map this as a "normal" hotkey either) Anything else on the keyboard (http://www.nokian900.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Nokia-N900-front-open-k eyboard.jpg) would be easily up for application control and I can't see how we could make is a universal recommendation. Nathan. _ From: Luca Donaggio [mailto:donag...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:17 AM To: Nathan Anderson Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Full Screen Hotkey? I think that any combination of CTRL+ would be a little awkward (CTRL is in the slideing keybord, other buttons are on the sides of the device). I would prefer an all-with-the-keyboard combination. Luca Donaggio On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. That way you aren't actually "taking" overriding a existing "used" key. And it could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used for some other hotkey. Nathan -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM To: ext ds Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer Hi, ext ds wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: >> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: >>> I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some >>> feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it >>> should not be a big deal:-) >>> >>> But first I want to have it running an the N900. >> I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list >> allows that). > > Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! >> Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least >> it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. >> > I got a message from maemo admin: > After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there > seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. > > Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or > toggle full screen anymore? Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as proposed in another mail. - Eero PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or closing the application from the power menu "End task" button). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Full Screen Hotkey?
I think that any combination of CTRL+ would be a little awkward (CTRL is in the slideing keybord, other buttons are on the sides of the device). I would prefer an all-with-the-keyboard combination. Luca Donaggio On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: > > > Ctrl-f is very commonly used as Find. Users are used to that. But what > about something like Ctrl-Volume (up/down) key? Or Ctrl-Camera Key. > That > way you aren't actually "taking" overriding a existing "used" key. And it > could be used by pretty much any program that needed it w/o it being used > for some other hotkey. > > Nathan > > -Original Message- > From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org > [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:21 AM > To: ext ds > Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Subject: Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer > > Hi, > > ext ds wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 20.10.2009, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Cornelius Hald: > >> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:01 +0200, ds wrote: > >>> I have no feeling for N900 at the moment. But yes, I have some > >>> feature requests left on garage, and as there is not too much UI it > >>> should not be a big deal:-) > >>> > >>> But first I want to have it running an the N900. > >> I got it working now :) Attached is a screenshot (in case the list > >> allows that). > > > > Thanks, at least my copy allowed it! > >> Getting the UI Fremantle conform should be straight forward, at least > >> it looks like that to me. If you need help there, just tell me. > >> > > I got a message from maemo admin: > > After disabling the toolbar and switching to fullscreen mode there > > seems to be no way get out of full screen or getting the toolbar back. > > > > Can you confirm this? Is no Hardwarebutton bringing up the menu or > > toggle full screen anymore? > > Correct. I would suggest supporting additional shortcut like Ctrl-f as > proposed in another mail. > > >- Eero > > PS. User can switch to other apps by using the Ctrl-backspace shortcut for > the task switcher (or by launching Camera app with the camera button or > closing the application from the power menu "End task" button). > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
