Re: maemo News needs your love
Thanks Frédéric: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845 On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 22:52 +0200, ext Frédéric Crozat wrote: > There is a problem with new Planet Maemo agregation Atom feed : html > encoded post (like mdk post "Vector drawing: OpenGL polygon > tessellation") are encoded again twice, causing atom feed reader to > display html code, instead of rendering it. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: how to install GPE Calendar?
fyi On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 22:27 +0100, ext Graham Cobb wrote: > "Click to install" doesn't work on the 770. We are working on some improvements to http://downloads.maemo.org that will result in users being able to browse software only for their device and getting an install file arrow or not depending whether they are browsing from a 770, an N800 a PC... -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 19:30 +0300, Igor Stoppa wrote: > > Battery life eating is a particularly tricky bug to nail down to a > > single application (or home applet). Yes, for PCs and even laptops most issues are almost unnoticeable by average users, but in our case any non-optimization (leave alone a bug) has clear repercusions. We need to provide to developers and power users tools appropriate for them to detect those problems. Now we are stil not there, at least not at a user level. > That's why users shouldn't try a bunch of new apps in one go. But most of them/us will anyway, regardless of how clever and well presented is your advice. Humans are able to "install" malware in their own bodies knowing that is not healthy, leave alone their devices. :) > Maybe some way to easily share information about battery life would be > useful on maemo.org ... Yes! > Quim: what do you think about extending the rating of applications so > that they could cover several aspects, including but not only battery > usage? I think that we (and I mean literally we, the people in this list) should rank more and be more aware of the elements to consider when ranking i.e. Quality Awareness - http://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=253&type=g To go ahead with this we need to offer better tools and documentation for the own developers and also to the conscious end users (aka maemo lovers). For instance, I'm about to rank and comment one application that is getting a lot of good comments. In general I like it, even if it's still beta quality. I would give it 4 stars today. But there are a couple of things I dislike: - the guy is not answering to bug reports in his garage project (I filed some, I have more) - I have the suspicion that since I use this app the battery life has shortened considerably, even if most of the time I have the app minimized. I would like to try but I'm more a busy guy than a good hacker. With the current tools I don't see an easy way for me to check (without asking Eero or Igor, but this is like cheating) :) > Eventually imo we have to come up with an evaluation suite that > developers in first place and users later can easily refer to. Yes, we are moving in this direction. We released some tools officially supported and there is the Quality Awareness project. We are still missing something like a tutorial with easy to follow steps and a checklist to help developers realize themselves how good or bad their software is regardless of how good it looks in the screenshots. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Visudo Help
Paul, I've made the changes but on my N800 there isn't visudo in /sbin. That was one of the first places I checked. Did you install it manually? If so, where did you get it (or did you compile it manually?)? James, thanks for the suggestion! Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Klapperich Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:44 PM Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Visudo Help On 8/16/07, James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On this one visudo is not on the box but the real solution is don't chmod > the file. VI it as root, then instead of doing wq to quit (write quit) do > wq! (w q then exclamation point or more commonly known as bang) this will > override the read only aspect and commit your changes without running the > risk of forgeting to chmod > > James > which is what I was driving at, but that won't protect against errors as visudo will also. Visudo is in /sbin on the device. It works fine. --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Visudo Help
On 8/16/07, James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On this one visudo is not on the box but the real solution is don't chmod > the file. VI it as root, then instead of doing wq to quit (write quit) do > wq! (w q then exclamation point or more commonly known as bang) this will > override the read only aspect and commit your changes without running the > risk of forgeting to chmod > > James > which is what I was driving at, but that won't protect against errors as visudo will also. Visudo is in /sbin on the device. It works fine. --Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Visudo Help
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 15:12:27 Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: > Ok, after my major screw-up last week (I directly modified the sudoers file > but failed to change the permissions back to 0444), I flashed to the newest > OS upgrade and re-installed all of my applications. Now I need to modify > the sudoers file and plan to do it CORRECTLY this time, e.g. use visudo. > > Now my problem - I can't find visudo anywhere on the N800. Is it available > separately or am I just not looking in the right place? Or is there some > other way that doesn't use visudo? > > I've looked in /usr/bin and /bin. > > Thanks much in advance! > > Nick. > On this one visudo is not on the box but the real solution is don't chmod the file. VI it as root, then instead of doing wq to quit (write quit) do wq! (w q then exclamation point or more commonly known as bang) this will override the read only aspect and commit your changes without running the risk of forgeting to chmod James -- READ CAREFULLY. By [accepting this material|accepting this payment|accepting this business-card|viewing this t-shirt|reading this sticker] you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies (”BOGUS AGREEMENTS”) that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: how to install GPE Calendar?
On Thursday 16 August 2007 20:40, David Fass wrote: > Hi. This is a stupid question, I'm sure, but how do I download the > GPE Calendar to my Nokia 770? "Click to install" doesn't work on the 770. You have to add the repository to the Application Manager by hand. In the Application Manager, use the Tools/Application catalogue... menu item and add a new catalogue. If you go to http://www.cobb.uk.net/770 you will see the details you need to enter (you want the "gregale" distribution). If you then "Refresh the list of packages" you should see gpe-calendar in the list and available to install. > Also, how would I go about syncing my Gmail Contacts list with the 770 > Contacts list? It seems to show *some* of my Gmail contacts, but not > nearly all. Is there some other contact or phone list utility that > can sync up with Gmail contacts? You may want to ask this question on the GPE mailing list. Go to http://linuxtogo.org/mailman/listinfo/gpe-list to sign up to that list. Graham ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: maemo News needs your love
Le jeudi 16 août 2007 à 09:00 +0300, Quim Gil a écrit : > On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 14:34 -0400, ext Mike Lococo wrote: > > How do you favorite a planet story? I don't see the heart widget like > > on other pages. > > Yes, it's still missing: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829 > > They will be there. Now the only way is to fave them while they are in > the main http://maemo.org/news which of course is not enough because > leaves out the older entries. There is a problem with new Planet Maemo agregation Atom feed : html encoded post (like mdk post "Vector drawing: OpenGL polygon tessellation") are encoded again twice, causing atom feed reader to display html code, instead of rendering it. -- Frédéric Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
how to install GPE Calendar?
Hi. This is a stupid question, I'm sure, but how do I download the GPE Calendar to my Nokia 770? I click the "click to install" button, and it gives me an option to open or download. It doesn't matter what I do here: If I click "open", I'm taken to the Application Manager, but I don't see the package listed anywhere there. If I click "download", and then open the downloaded file, I also get taken to the App Manager with no further results. What's going on here? Also, how would I go about syncing my Gmail Contacts list with the 770 Contacts list? It seems to show *some* of my Gmail contacts, but not nearly all. Is there some other contact or phone list utility that can sync up with Gmail contacts? Thanks very much for any info!!! -- Dave ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:41 +0100, ext Michael Thompson wrote: > > > On 16/08/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:17 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > > On 8/16/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 16:51 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg > wrote: > > > > > > > > Battery life eating is a particularly tricky bug to nail > down to a > > single application (or home applet). > > That's why users shouldn't try a bunch of new apps in one go. > Maybe some way to easily share information about battery life > would be > useful on maemo.org ... > > Quim: what do you think about extending the rating of > applications so > that they could cover several aspects, including but not only > battery > usage? > > How do we know if an application has good power usage. > > How do we know what the actual current consumption is? > > Does the hardware know what current is being consumed from the battery > (and can that info be exposed in/proc or the battery applett) or is > the battery app guessing based on the battery voltage? There is ongoing work to provide users with graphical information about current consumption. The idea is that when you want to measure an application, you can first do a sort of "calibration" with a clean system in the state you are interested (i.e. wlan on or off), then install the application to be tested and run gain the measurement. > > > You are proposing a shortcut that is encouraging crappy > code to be > > > written, since the system will always take care of saying: > "psst, > > > pretend to be a properly written piece of code". > > > > Yes, I am. On the basis that this is a) easier and b) more > likely than > > getting end-user tools to properly diagnose which > applications aren't > > well behaved. > > That's not true. Proper tools don't need that. As Eero has > already > described, it's possible to use existing stats from the > system. > > I'm not sure that strace'ing is very ideal No, but some users and most developers could use it. > Powertop is not using such hacks and it works. Users have > started > complaining with dfevelopers and developers themselves have > taken > powerto in use. > > Can we run powertop or equivalent on the N800/Maemo? I'll let Eero answer this. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
> How do we know what the actual current consumption is? > > Does the hardware know what current is being consumed from the battery (and > can that info be exposed in/proc or the battery applett) or is the battery > app guessing based on the battery voltage? I do think it would be interesting to see some more of the internals of the battery meter, etc. I've certainly noticed that when rebooting my N800 while it's showing 2 or 3 bars on the battery applet, it will come back up and settle at one bar. Is this because it's lost its previous state data. I.e. is past usage used to predict the amount of available time left (or is it only the current current draw and booting has skewed it)? How does this affect the bars shown on the battery meter? I'd also be interested to know how the Nokia battery performance erodes, and whether this is taken into account when predicting battery life and bars on the applet. I know the Sharp Zaurus used to leave the reported battery output (from the kernel) at 100% for an awfully long time, presumably so that users didn't wonder why their old and tired battery had dropped off 20% as soon as they unplugged it from the charger. Presumably Nokia do something similar. It would be interesting to know (and I doubt it is really such confidential information that it couldn't be obtained by someone with a decent measurement rig and an N800/770 plugged into it). Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
Marius Gedminas wrote: > Someone should take the ssh package from the SDK repository, change the > section to user/net, and upload it to the Maemo Extras repository. > > Marius Gedminas > No no... please don't use user/net - see the ongoing discusion about software categories in the developers mailing list and try to use one of the predefined categories/sections! :) user/Communication seems the most likely choice. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On 16/08/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:17 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > > On 8/16/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 16:51 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > > > > > > > > Battery life eating is a particularly tricky bug to nail down to a > > single application (or home applet). > > That's why users shouldn't try a bunch of new apps in one go. > Maybe some way to easily share information about battery life would be > useful on maemo.org ... > > Quim: what do you think about extending the rating of applications so > that they could cover several aspects, including but not only battery > usage? How do we know if an application has good power usage. How do we know what the actual current consumption is? Does the hardware know what current is being consumed from the battery (and can that info be exposed in/proc or the battery applett) or is the battery app guessing based on the battery voltage? > > You are proposing a shortcut that is encouraging crappy code to be > > > written, since the system will always take care of saying: "psst, > > > pretend to be a properly written piece of code". > > > > Yes, I am. On the basis that this is a) easier and b) more likely than > > getting end-user tools to properly diagnose which applications aren't > > well behaved. > > That's not true. Proper tools don't need that. As Eero has already > described, it's possible to use existing stats from the system. I'm not sure that strace'ing is very ideal Powertop is not using such hacks and it works. Users have started > complaining with dfevelopers and developers themselves have taken > powerto in use. Can we run powertop or equivalent on the N800/Maemo? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On 16/08/07, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > ext Michael Thompson wrote: > >> IIRC, one of the Nokia engineers stated that apps are basically stopped > >> (like hitting Ctrl+Z in bash) when they are minimized, and resumed when > >> they're foregrounded. I might have made this up, but based on the CPU > >> monitor it certainly would appear that something like that is going on. > >> > > > > > > This might be true in some cases, but for instance Cannola will continue > to > > play music when minimised, so I'm sure there are plenty of cases where > this > > isn't true > > Applications should stop all visual activity and updates when they are > not visible. This is voluntarily, as it naturally depends on the actual > use-case e.g. all Nokia apps do this except for media player and iradio > applet which play music also backgrounded. If you notice that some 3rd > party app has activity although you're not using it and/or it's not > visible nor there's no other good reason for it to be active, file a bug > against it. Fair enough. What I've noticed so far is that claws, for instance, sits in a poll loop and reacts to any key press, whether it's the active window or not, i.e. minimizing the keyboard in xterm. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:17 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > On 8/16/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 16:51 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > > > > > Given the importance of this to battery life, it would be cool if apps > > > were sent SIGSUSP when they were minimized or some the user stopped > > > interacting with them. If an application (e.g. media player) wanted to > > > override this behaviour, they could do so in their .desktop file, > > > .service file or osso_initialize() call. > > > > No. > > > > Apps that do useless stuff are buggy and the bugs must be fixed. > > Battery life eating is a particularly tricky bug to nail down to a > single application (or home applet). That's why users shouldn't try a bunch of new apps in one go. Maybe some way to easily share information about battery life would be useful on maemo.org ... Quim: what do you think about extending the rating of applications so that they could cover several aspects, including but not only battery usage? > > You are proposing a shortcut that is encouraging crappy code to be > > written, since the system will always take care of saying: "psst, > > pretend to be a properly written piece of code". > > Yes, I am. On the basis that this is a) easier and b) more likely than > getting end-user tools to properly diagnose which applications aren't > well behaved. That's not true. Proper tools don't need that. As Eero has already described, it's possible to use existing stats from the system. Powertop is not using such hacks and it works. Users have started complaining with dfevelopers and developers themselves have taken powerto in use. Eventually imo we have to come up with an evaluation suite that developers in first place and users later can easily refer to. > > Would you be happy if your foregrounded app would run and drain the > > battery while it's doing nothing and waiting for you to press a button? > > No, which is why I uninstalled Maemochron PDQ. And hopefully you have provided feedback to the developer. Developers should also be encouraged to use thir code on a freshly flashed image and verify that it doesn't alter battery life in unexpected ways. > > Have you ever wondered how come your typical GHz PC can have performance > > sometimes comparable with an internet tablet? > > No, I haven't wondered. I'm a software engineer: I understand the > issues, I just live in the real world of half-arsed Maemo ports and > believe it should be as easy as possible to do these properly. Notice that most ofthese bugs affect power consumption on a pc in the same way, so it's not really a maemo issue. "Ports" could be easily debugged in native x86 environment. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On 8/16/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 16:51 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > > > Given the importance of this to battery life, it would be cool if apps > > were sent SIGSUSP when they were minimized or some the user stopped > > interacting with them. If an application (e.g. media player) wanted to > > override this behaviour, they could do so in their .desktop file, > > .service file or osso_initialize() call. > > No. > > Apps that do useless stuff are buggy and the bugs must be fixed. Battery life eating is a particularly tricky bug to nail down to a single application (or home applet). > You are proposing a shortcut that is encouraging crappy code to be > written, since the system will always take care of saying: "psst, > pretend to be a properly written piece of code". Yes, I am. On the basis that this is a) easier and b) more likely than getting end-user tools to properly diagnose which applications aren't well behaved. > Would you be happy if your foregrounded app would run and drain the > battery while it's doing nothing and waiting for you to press a button? No, which is why I uninstalled Maemochron PDQ. > Have you ever wondered how come your typical GHz PC can have performance > sometimes comparable with an internet tablet? No, I haven't wondered. I'm a software engineer: I understand the issues, I just live in the real world of half-arsed Maemo ports and believe it should be as easy as possible to do these properly. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 16:51 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > On 8/16/07, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Applications should stop all visual activity and updates when they are > > not visible. This is voluntarily, as it naturally depends on the actual > > use-case e.g. all Nokia apps do this except for media player and iradio > > applet which play music also backgrounded. If you notice that some 3rd > > party app has activity although you're not using it and/or it's not > > visible nor there's no other good reason for it to be active, file a bug > > against it. > > Given the importance of this to battery life, it would be cool if apps > were sent SIGSUSP when they were minimized or some the user stopped > interacting with them. If an application (e.g. media player) wanted to > override this behaviour, they could do so in their .desktop file, > .service file or osso_initialize() call. No. Apps that do useless stuff are buggy and the bugs must be fixed. You are proposing a shortcut that is encouraging crappy code to be written, since the system will always take care of saying: "psst, pretend to be a properly written piece of code". If an application has nothing to do, it _must_ be blocked waiting for something, such as an event, a timer, whatever it cares about, nothing else. Actually we want apps to do that also and especially when they are in foreground as well. Background is no special case. Would you be happy if your foregrounded app would run and drain the battery while it's doing nothing and waiting for you to press a button? That wouldn't really be caught by sending SIGSUSP when backgrounding. Have you ever wondered how come your typical GHz PC can have performance sometimes comparable with an internet tablet? -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On 8/16/07, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Applications should stop all visual activity and updates when they are > not visible. This is voluntarily, as it naturally depends on the actual > use-case e.g. all Nokia apps do this except for media player and iradio > applet which play music also backgrounded. If you notice that some 3rd > party app has activity although you're not using it and/or it's not > visible nor there's no other good reason for it to be active, file a bug > against it. Given the importance of this to battery life, it would be cool if apps were sent SIGSUSP when they were minimized or some the user stopped interacting with them. If an application (e.g. media player) wanted to override this behaviour, they could do so in their .desktop file, .service file or osso_initialize() call. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
Hi, ext Michael Thompson wrote: >> IIRC, one of the Nokia engineers stated that apps are basically stopped >> (like hitting Ctrl+Z in bash) when they are minimized, and resumed when >> they're foregrounded. I might have made this up, but based on the CPU >> monitor it certainly would appear that something like that is going on. >> > > > This might be true in some cases, but for instance Cannola will continue to > play music when minimised, so I'm sure there are plenty of cases where this > isn't true Applications should stop all visual activity and updates when they are not visible. This is voluntarily, as it naturally depends on the actual use-case e.g. all Nokia apps do this except for media player and iradio applet which play music also backgrounded. If you notice that some 3rd party app has activity although you're not using it and/or it's not visible nor there's no other good reason for it to be active, file a bug against it. Note that all SDL games are busy always, it's an issue in the SDL library and there's a bug about it in the SDL bugzilla (Nokia games quit when they are backgrounded, you can then continue them from their startup screen). Gtk applications usually behave better in this respect, they only react to events, not busyloop themselves. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
On 16/08/07, Paul Klapperich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > IIRC, one of the Nokia engineers stated that apps are basically stopped > (like hitting Ctrl+Z in bash) when they are minimized, and resumed when > they're foregrounded. I might have made this up, but based on the CPU > monitor it certainly would appear that something like that is going on. > This might be true in some cases, but for instance Cannola will continue to play music when minimised, so I'm sure there are plenty of cases where this isn't true ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
Hi, ext Michael Thompson wrote: > Hi, > The battery life of the N800 seems to depend a lot on the applications > that are running, I guess in particular when it is idling. The result of > this is that the battery indicator can be very inaccurate, telling me it > should last for days and it will then die in hours. > > Ideally I'd like this not to be the case but in the interim I'd like to know > which application is causing the problem. When will Nokia expose the current > consumption information, in for instance /proc? Without this information we > cannot determine which application is the culprit much less set about > improving the performance. > > Is there another indirect method that could be used, perhaps the rate of > interrupts for each application? Just use "top" and "strace". "top" is part of busybox and strace is in Maemo repositories. If you're not interacting with the application (and it's not e.g. playing music), it should not do anything. You can monitor all applications with something like: strace $(cd /proc; for pid in [0-9]*; do if [ $pid -gt 500 ] && [ $pid != $$ ]; then echo " -p $pid"; fi; done) Instead of 500 you can select suitable value from "ps" output above which PID you want to monitor all processes. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Visudo Help
You are correct - I was root; however, I didn't return the permissions and as soon as I left root, I was hosed. The message immediately let me know that sudoers must be 0444 in order to function. So I basically screwed up - changed the permissions of the file, changed the file, DIDN'T return the permissions back. :-( Lesson learned. Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Klapperich Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 07:40 To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Visudo Help On 8/16/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, Paul. By default sudoers is not writable so in order to make > changes. > sudo gainroot vi /etc/sudoers ? Seems you would have had to be root to change the permissions anyway... visudo exists in /sbin, so until you edit sudoers to allow user to use it, you need to be root. Also, the EDITOR variable is undeclared, so until you add that to .bashrc or whatever you'll need to do: sudo gainroot EDITOR="vi" visudo You can of course use something other than vi if you want. --Paul > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Paul Klapperich > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:38 PM > Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org > Subject: Re: Visudo Help > > > > > I'm not sure if it has visudo or not and my unit isn't handy, but > here's a safety net: > > Install OpenSSH or Dropbear, then do > sudo gainroot > passwd > enter a root password > > Now if you mess up your /etc/sudoers, you can always open Putty/Xterm > on your desktop and ssh into the root account using the root password > you created. Additionally, you could do the above without ssh, or with > /etc/ssh/sshd modified to disallow root login. You should be able to > switch to the root user using 'su' if you have a root password set and > known. You may need to add 'user' to the wheel group or something, > though > > Why did you change the permissions to sudoers in the first place? My > mistake is usually syntax errors inside /etc/sudoers. Oops. > > --Paul > > > On 8/15/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, after my major screw-up last week (I directly modified the sudoers > file but failed to change the permissions back to 0444), I flashed to > the newest OS upgrade and re-installed all of my applications. Now I > need to modify the sudoers file and plan to do it CORRECTLY this time, e.g. use visudo. > > Now my problem - I can't find visudo anywhere on the N800. Is it > available separately or am I just not looking in the right place? Or > is there some other way that doesn't use visudo? > > I've looked in /usr/bin and /bin. > > Thanks much in advance! > > Nick. > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: ustream.tv + n800 != happiness
Ah well, apparently flash can't see the camera... at least it sees the microphone. On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 15:16 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I believe the camera is v4l2 device. > > --jakub > > >-Original Message- > >Darn. I can view a live video on ustream.tv (live > >streaming/webcasting site using flash) but I can't use the > >camera to stream to it. > > > >Is the camera an v4l device? (seems like it is) > > > >I can stream to ustream using a v4l device on my linux laptop > >with no issues (admittedly, I'm using firefox - not opera...) > > > >Any thoughts? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Battery Life
You could probably watch CPU usage as a pretty good indicator. I've noticed just having some applications in the foreground (like the browser on a complicated webpage) will shoot the CPU usage way up. IIRC, one of the Nokia engineers stated that apps are basically stopped (like hitting Ctrl+Z in bash) when they are minimized, and resumed when they're foregrounded. I might have made this up, but based on the CPU monitor it certainly would appear that something like that is going on. --Paul On 8/16/07, Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > The battery life of the N800 seems to depend a lot on the applications > that are running, I guess in particular when it is idling. The result of > this is that the battery indicator can be very inaccurate, telling me it > should last for days and it will then die in hours. > > Ideally I'd like this not to be the case but in the interim I'd like to > know which application is causing the problem. When will Nokia expose the > current consumption information, in for instance /proc? Without this > information we cannot determine which application is the culprit much less > set about improving the performance. > > Is there another indirect method that could be used, perhaps the rate of > interrupts for each application? > > Regards, Michael > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
On 8/16/07, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 02:14:56PM -0500, Paul Klapperich wrote: > > On 8/15/07, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ssh: I use OpenSSH myself, which is not straightforward to install, and > > > comes in a single package that bundles the server and the client. > > > > > > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh > > > > > > This page describes the trick needed to install OpenSSH: > > > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/ > > > > Doesn't the .install file on maemo.org's download section work? > > It only works if you enable red-pill mode. That's because 'ssh' is a > system package (it's section is not "user/*"). > > > On a related note, somehow I have a dummy package that shows up > > without red-pill mode. I'm not sure which repository it's located in, > > but I believe it's called "OpenSSH" and simply has the ssh package as > > a dependency. That's how I installed it last time, iirc, but I'm not > > sure where that package came from. > > I created it as an experiment, but it doesn't work reliably. > openssh-installer from a repository at mg.pov.lt depends on ssh from the > maemo SDK repository. By default neither of those repositories are > present in the application catalogue, and the .install file would need > to add both, which is impossible with the current .install file format. > > > Seems to me the .install file hosted on Maemo.org should install this > > package instead of ssh if it doesn't work. > or, maybe we can convince someone to add the dummy package to the sdk repository. The it should work reliably, right? > Someone should take the ssh package from the SDK repository, change the > section to user/net, and upload it to the Maemo Extras repository. > > (I've been vaguely planning to do this for about a year now, so don't > hold your breath. Also, first I'd need to figure out how you upload > packages to Maemo Extras, and by 'figure out' I mean 'read the > documentation page that explains it'.) > > Marius Gedminas > -- > 1 4m 5o 3l337! just got r00t on this k3wl site j00 > sux0r5! > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGxEM1kVdEXeem148RAsknAJ469d3meTxm1mmpuw2BQmeyAYocGACgiCNC > 5ptjEGIwnhv0Me7Vw46EqBA= > =4abv > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Battery Life
Hi, The battery life of the N800 seems to depend a lot on the applications that are running, I guess in particular when it is idling. The result of this is that the battery indicator can be very inaccurate, telling me it should last for days and it will then die in hours. Ideally I'd like this not to be the case but in the interim I'd like to know which application is causing the problem. When will Nokia expose the current consumption information, in for instance /proc? Without this information we cannot determine which application is the culprit much less set about improving the performance. Is there another indirect method that could be used, perhaps the rate of interrupts for each application? Regards, Michael ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Visudo Help
On 8/16/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, Paul. By default sudoers is not writable so in order to make > changes… > sudo gainroot vi /etc/sudoers ? Seems you would have had to be root to change the permissions anyway... visudo exists in /sbin, so until you edit sudoers to allow user to use it, you need to be root. Also, the EDITOR variable is undeclared, so until you add that to .bashrc or whatever you'll need to do: sudo gainroot EDITOR="vi" visudo You can of course use something other than vi if you want. --Paul > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Paul Klapperich > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:38 PM > Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org > Subject: Re: Visudo Help > > > > > I'm not sure if it has visudo or not and my unit isn't handy, but here's a > safety net: > > Install OpenSSH or Dropbear, then do > sudo gainroot > passwd > enter a root password > > Now if you mess up your /etc/sudoers, you can always open Putty/Xterm on > your desktop and ssh into the root account using the root password you > created. Additionally, you could do the above without ssh, or with > /etc/ssh/sshd modified to disallow root login. You should be able to switch > to the root user using 'su' if you have a root password set and known. You > may need to add 'user' to the wheel group or something, though > > Why did you change the permissions to sudoers in the first place? My > mistake is usually syntax errors inside /etc/sudoers. Oops. > > --Paul > > > On 8/15/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, after my major screw-up last week (I directly modified the sudoers file > but failed to change the permissions back to 0444), I flashed to the newest > OS upgrade and re-installed all of my applications. Now I need to modify > the sudoers file and plan to do it CORRECTLY this time, e.g. use visudo. > > Now my problem - I can't find visudo anywhere on the N800. Is it available > separately or am I just not looking in the right place? Or is there some > other way that doesn't use visudo? > > I've looked in /usr/bin and /bin. > > Thanks much in advance! > > Nick. > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Visudo Help
Thanks, Paul. By default sudoers is not writable so in order to make changes. Nick. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Klapperich Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:38 PM Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: Visudo Help I'm not sure if it has visudo or not and my unit isn't handy, but here's a safety net: Install OpenSSH or Dropbear, then do sudo gainroot passwd enter a root password Now if you mess up your /etc/sudoers, you can always open Putty/Xterm on your desktop and ssh into the root account using the root password you created. Additionally, you could do the above without ssh, or with /etc/ssh/sshd modified to disallow root login. You should be able to switch to the root user using 'su' if you have a root password set and known. You may need to add 'user' to the wheel group or something, though Why did you change the permissions to sudoers in the first place? My mistake is usually syntax errors inside /etc/sudoers. Oops. --Paul On 8/15/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, after my major screw-up last week (I directly modified the sudoers file but failed to change the permissions back to 0444), I flashed to the newest OS upgrade and re-installed all of my applications. Now I need to modify the sudoers file and plan to do it CORRECTLY this time, e.g. use visudo. Now my problem - I can't find visudo anywhere on the N800. Is it available separately or am I just not looking in the right place? Or is there some other way that doesn't use visudo? I've looked in /usr/bin and /bin. Thanks much in advance! Nick. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 02:14:56PM -0500, Paul Klapperich wrote: > On 8/15/07, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ssh: I use OpenSSH myself, which is not straightforward to install, and > > comes in a single package that bundles the server and the client. > > > > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh > > > > This page describes the trick needed to install OpenSSH: > > http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/ > > Doesn't the .install file on maemo.org's download section work? It only works if you enable red-pill mode. That's because 'ssh' is a system package (it's section is not "user/*"). > On a related note, somehow I have a dummy package that shows up > without red-pill mode. I'm not sure which repository it's located in, > but I believe it's called "OpenSSH" and simply has the ssh package as > a dependency. That's how I installed it last time, iirc, but I'm not > sure where that package came from. I created it as an experiment, but it doesn't work reliably. openssh-installer from a repository at mg.pov.lt depends on ssh from the maemo SDK repository. By default neither of those repositories are present in the application catalogue, and the .install file would need to add both, which is impossible with the current .install file format. > Seems to me the .install file hosted on Maemo.org should install this > package instead of ssh if it doesn't work. Someone should take the ssh package from the SDK repository, change the section to user/net, and upload it to the Maemo Extras repository. (I've been vaguely planning to do this for about a year now, so don't hold your breath. Also, first I'd need to figure out how you upload packages to Maemo Extras, and by 'figure out' I mean 'read the documentation page that explains it'.) Marius Gedminas -- 1 4m 5o 3l337! just got r00t on this k3wl site j00 sux0r5! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can we use Ajaxterm for greater security when connecting through public wifi hotspots?
Oouc wrote: > Can we use Ajaxterm for greater security when connecting through public > wifi hotspots? I searched maemo-users mailing list and the main > website and could not find ajaxterm. So I wondered if it was possible > or feasible on the N800. As far as I know, ajaxterm is a server-side application that'll give you access to the server even from clients that do not have a real terminal/ssh client available. I can't see how it would be useful (let alone more secure) on an internet tablet, as you can install xterm and ssh client or even ssh server if you need them. -jussi -- Jussi Kukkonen http://koti.welho.com/jkukkone/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Can we use Ajaxterm for greater security when connecting through public wifi hotspots?
Can we use Ajaxterm for greater security when connecting through public wifi hotspots? I searched maemo-users mailing list and the main website and could not find ajaxterm. So I wondered if it was possible or feasible on the N800. Oouc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: maemo News needs your love
On 8/15/07, Mike Lococo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you favorite a planet story? I don't see the heart widget like > on other pages. Planet feeds are good candidates for favoriting because > they are often a good balance between fully-baked and available-early I had implemented this but forgotten to commit, sorry. Now Planet items can also be favorited. I've also done some other minor tweaks, like linking YouTube and Flickr items to the correct pages on those services. 137 favs in the service so far. Not digg-scale but a good start ;-) > Mike /Henri -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Skype: henribergius Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jaiku: http://bergie.jaiku.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
